Talk:The Passage/Archive 1

I cried

When I watched the episode tonight, I cried at the end. It was a really sad ending. If an episode makes me cry, that means it was really good. --Shane ^{(T - C - E)} 00:31, 9 December 2006 (CST)

I was just left in shock. What a way to die...and to do it knowingly while saving a civilian ship... Xenophon10k 07:46, 9 December 2006 (CST)

You weren't the only one, Shane. You weren't the only one. Note to Self: When an episode summary says "we'll learn more about a character in this episode," prepare for mourning. --Spencerian 08:42, 9 December 2006 (CST)

I love Kat, I also shed a tear. :'( --Mercifull ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 12:14, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Tether?

Why didn't Galactica just tether the Raptors to their ships? Or use the magnetic clamps that Raptors have to literally attach to the ships? They wouldn't lose any ships, it would save time, and be safer all at the same time. - Linaf 09:21, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Jumping is precise, but not that precise. We don't know if a Jump between tethered ships, if they didn't occur simultaneously, would be a fatal move, or do nothing. In any case, the intense heat and buffeting in the cloud would likely make a tether snap or melt and be worthless. Magnetic clamping might have been possible given that Vipers that perform combat landings hold themselves fast within Galactica. However, performing a Jump while outside of another ship (which is also Jumping) is probably a Bad Idea. --Spencerian 10:06, 9 December 2006 (CST)

I'm sorry but this part of the story still doesn't make sense to me. Why did the raptors have to be outside of the ships to give them jump coordinates? If radiation would fry the civilian ship computers why not simply park a raptor in their landing bays and let their computers do the work.--Boonton 20:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Did Kat Die?

I know this is a stupid question but why did starbuck a picture of her in the memorial hall? Snorkel378

Yes, she died because she received a twice-fatal dose of radiation --Serenity 10:10, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Then WHy did Adama Still MAke Her CAG? WHo would make someone who is dead Be A CAG. And We never saw her die. snorkel378

It's glaringly obvious that she died. We didn't need to see her last breath to know it. She received two fatal doses. She was dying in sickbay. Kara gave her pills if she wanted to comitt suicide, because dying from radiation poisoning is extremly ugly.

The promotion is a honorary and morale thing. It was merely posthumous, but Apollo is still the acting CAG. Adama thought that Kat's leadership and bravery are a good example for the crew --Serenity 10:19, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Kat does die; there is no way for her to survive extreme radiation poisoning. However, the show's writers do not show this to enhance the drama of the moment. (Oh, Snorkel, to make an automatic signature, place four tilde characters (~~~~) at the end of your entry.) --Spencerian 10:24, 9 December 2006 (CST)

I'd say it's better that we didn't see her actual death. Death scenes can a clicé if not done right. Just showing its impact on the other character was far better and more effective IMO --Serenity 10:27, 9 December 2006 (CST)

U guys know that this is a thery, we would have to ask the writer. Come on what if she is still insickbay some later episode in rehab? then waht would you guys say. OO and KAra gave Kat Skin rebuilds she even said that in the scene. So u might be alive but we should not be so quick to say she died because there is no ground proof. Snorkel378 P.S. i dont give a damn about an automatic signature

She gave her an overdose of sleeping pills. And I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but it probably "confirms" her death --Serenity 10:37, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Yep, the podcast confirms that Kat died. Just got done listening. And Snorkel, there's no need to get ratty, we just try to help :) --Madbrood 10:41, 9 December 2006 (CST)

While the podcast does make it explicit, the story as aired makes it clear.

We're told that flying after the tag turns black is lethal. Kat's turns black twice
Kara gives her "sleeping pills ... enough"
When Adama tells Kat he's promoting her, she asks him herself if he knows that she's not making it out of sick bay. He does.
Kat isn't present when her promotion is announced. This would only happen if not only she wasn't available at the time but she never would be. If she will recover, you wait until she can be present.
Finally, Starbuck posts her picture on the memory wall.

So, the answer to the question "Why did Starbuck put her picture on the wall?" is "so the audience would know that she died".

What makes the show so appealing to me is the quality of the writing. They take the time to tell the story through the character interaction, the emotional moments. They could have had her die on screen when she collapsed and made it explicit. But instead, they write it more powerfully. --Brons 11:45, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Excellent points, Brons. Another example of writing that sets BSG above other shows. --Madbrood 11:49, 9 December 2006 (CST)

She was A good Character, Snorkel378

Agreed. She was one of my favourite characters :( --Madbrood 11:37, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Poor Kat :( *wipes away tears* --Mercifull ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 12:07, 9 December 2006 (CST)

No doubt, Kat's dead. All the reasons above. The wall is a memorial for those who are dead, not those who are sick. And it was even in the news a former Russian spy just got wacked (assasinated by Russia) a couple weeks ago with just a small dose of radiation. Most people don't realize how dangerous radiation is because we don't deal with it on a day-to-day basis, but just a little bit can kill you. I feel that all those pilots were getting more than a small dose, other than just Kat. There could be reprocutions for all of them in the future as their health deteriorates over time.

Kat dying in this way, they could have nixed the B side story to flesh out her story. Kat was a very compelling character and her going out, well, the whole D'Anna dying over-and-over thing and the Baltar 3-way is getting boring and tedious so they could have spent more time with the Kat story. Even thus, They still did a good job of making a dramatic finish even if the story could have used a few more details.--Straycat0 13:01, 9 December 2006 (CST)

The Baltar and Three storyline is neither boring nor tedious and had only four short scenes in this episode. -- Noneofyourbusiness 14:18, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Anti-Radiation Meds

Part of the summary here suggests that there were no anti-rad doses to go around for any of the pilots. I thought that at some were given to the skeleton crews of the civilian ships. Am I right on this one? Steel viper 18:38, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Perhaps this section should be titled just radiation rather than anti-radiation meds. I'm not sure why the returning rapters & pilots were subject to decontamination washing. I was under the impression the cluster had intense radiation because of so many stars so close together....not because it was filled with radioactive material. A ship inside the cluster would be exposed to intense radiation but as soon as it jumped out it would be fine. I've read the neutron bombs feed metal an intense amount of neutron s and metal objects like tanks could give off residual radiation up to two weeks after exposure. But washing wouldn't solve the problem. The 'hot' ships would have to be put aside until they cooled down.--Boonton 20:22, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Fourth squadron leader

As we saw at the end of this episode, Galactica has four squadrons of pilots under the command of CAG. The squadron leaders were (before Kat's death, of course): Starbuck, Kat, Two Times and... Did anyone notice who was the fourth? -- Spike 20:44, 9 December 2006 (CST)