Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I/Archive 1

Since, according to IMDB, Dean Stockwell has been credited with the role of Brother Cavell (not Cavill) ... should this page be modified? Apparently, one more cylon has been identified.

Not sure. All the ep guide says is that Cavell is a Humano-Cylon priest. IS it possible that the spoiler is wrong and he's really just a religious leader (possibly replacing Elosha) who is promoting a Human-Cylon peace? --Ltcrashdown 22:19, 5 February 2006 (EST)

I've been spoiled, and can tell you that he is indeed a Cylon (unless he has an identical twin brother). Noneofyourbusiness 12:49, 4 March 2006 (EST)

Found some pics - Spoiler Warning - http://pics.livejournal.com/ravenclawdrew/gallery/0000wa1h - Lordmutt 12:30, 11 February, 2006

Yeah I saw those too; it's what I based the info about Baltar running for President on (look really hard).--The Merovingian 20:40, 10 February 2006 (EST)

I am starting to think these spoilers were to throw us off the track...

Corrected a number of spelling mistakes - Lordmutt 3rd March, 2006

Note to everyone: I tend to make a lot of spelling mistakes because I'm hurrying, and worrying about spelling makes it harder for me to concentrate and focus on the information, and slows me down alot; I usually try to proofread my stuff when I'm "done" with an episode (after most of the notes and stuff around done) but I still tend to leave a typo here or there. I appreciate the spelling help. --The Merovingian 22:55, 3 March 2006 (CST)

Merovingian, don't worry, the quality article makes "up" for it ;) i do the same thing as well when it comes to writing up an article - Lordmutt 3rd March, 2006

Yeah I usually only worry about spelling around Sundays, by which time we're more or less done. --The Merovingian 23:04, 3 March 2006 (CST)

I think this is the right approach. We obviously want the capsule summaries sooner rather than later. And we don't criticise authors' typos as English may not be their native tongue and in any event if we waited for perfection we'd still be on the miniseries. JohnH 08:14, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Does anyone know the music playing the the background from the first few scenes of this episode? --PioneerCreative 23:33, 3 March 2006 (CST)

How many Raptors are lost in the misjump into the mountain? One or two? I only thought it was on when I watched the episode and edited the summary to reflect this, but it seems everybody else seems to think it was a pair. Starbuck did say two names, but I interpreted those to be the pilot and ECO of a single Raptor. -CWD 01:29, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Helo says they have 17 Raptors left. They already lost Racetrack's. They then say two names, and Starbuck says "we lost Raptore six twelve"; Now, this sounds confusing, but I don't think she said "Raptor 612"; I think she said "Raptors 6, 12" out of 20. Plus she did say two names; in addition, it wasn't just pilots but also marines, so one name wouldn't make as much sense. Although a little fuzzy, this still fits the "19-17=2" thing, instead of us jumping to believe that another Raptor got lost in a completely undocumented event. --The Merovingian 01:36, 4 March 2006 (CST)

I remember hearing Helo say they had seventeen left after (I thought) a single one had been lost in the mountain and thinking nineteen was an odd starting number, having missed the earlier reference to the entire complement being twenty. If the starting force did indeed number twenty, it seems clear two Raptors were indeed lost in the final jump and I was mistaken. I will point out, however, that Starbuck would be much less likely to know the names of marines lost on board a ship, while it's almost a given she would know who the flight crew were. -CWD 02:01, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Helo actually says, "Wait a minute, we lost another Raptor. I'm only reading 17 out there." His DRADIS screen doesn't display the Raptor they are in - that behavior was shown clearly in Scattered. Galactica's DRADIS was completely empty when they were seperated from the fleet, it didn't show Galactica itself as a single contact. So, clearly, Helo is talking about there being 17 other Raptors, in addition to the one he, Starbuck, and Sharon are in. In addition, Starbuck clearly says Raptor, not Raptors, and it is extremely unlikely that she would verbally separate a list of two numbers with an implied comma rather than the word 'and'. Not to mention, Raptors are commonly referred to by their 3-digit flight number. So only two Raptors were lost - Racetrack's miscalculated jump, and Raptor 612, which jumped into the mountain. Eighteen landed safely on Caprica. --Xenophon10k 09:00, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Xenophon is right on the money. Oh well, this means I don't have to right all that. I suddenly want to read "The Ten Thousand" again... --Talos 09:24, 4 March 2006 (CST)

BTW: in case anyone was wondering later; in the podcast, RDM confirms that by "jumped into the mountain" he doesn't mean "they jumped close to it and thus crashed", he means, exactly like a Star Trek transporter accident, that they materialized from the Jump "in solid rock" like a transporter accident. Cool. (It's what I assumed too).--The Merovingian 02:39, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Is the planet in this episode Earth? -- John-1107 09:06, 4 March 2006 (CST)

No. The leaders know roughly where Earth is, and it's very far away from their current position. JohnH 09:13, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Not to mention that Earth is neither barren nor hidden in a nebula. Noneofyourbusiness 12:47, 4 March 2006 (EST)

Not now, at least. BlueResistance 15:30, 4 March 2006 (EST)

Raptor Count

Questions:

1. Did we get the 20 raptor count in dialog?
2. We lost Racetrack on the first jump and Raptor 612 on the last. The SAR team had 17 raptors after that, so if they started off with 20, they lost one other in between. Only Raptor 612 got up close and personal with the mountain. --Peter Farago 12:51, 4 March 2006 (CST)

No, Farago. She said "RaptorS 6, 12". They lost 2 in the final jump, 1 when Racetrack got lost, and none in between. Starbuck lists off two names. --The Merovingian 14:12, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Counting the one they're in (Helo said something like "there are only 17 Raptors out there") it would have to be Raptor 612 (they've paused like that before in dialogue "Raptor 6..12").

• 17 other survivors
• Starbucks (one with Heavy Raider brain)
• 612 (in mountain)
• Racetracks

=20

Helo is in Starbuck's Raptor, which would not show up on his screen. The correct count is Helo/Starbuck's ship, + Racetrack, + Raptor 612 (lost in the mountain), + 17 others = 20. -CWD 09:28, 5 March 2006 (CST)

Yes, but are we certain there were 20 raptors to begin with? It's not given in dialog, and I haven't been able to get a good count from any CGI shots. According to sadgeezer, these are the pilots that checkin with Starbuck over wireless:

1. Headcase
2. Swordman
3. Shoestrap
4. Scumball
5. Milko
6. Skylar
7. Ronin
8. Brake
9. Boulion
10. Steaker
11. Hamster
12. Bo
13. Chaser
14. Godama
15. Charlieman
16. Starcloud
17. Racetrack
18. Callon
19. ...and Starbuck.

--Peter Farago 14:00, 5 March 2006 (CST)

Raptor Reconciliation

In Scar the mining ship was mining metals for Pegas's production teams to construct new vipers. Isn't it possible they produced some raptors as well?

crew member handling electronic countermeasures of a craft; ECOs are standard crew aboard Raptors (see: ECO)

Re-imagined Series definition: the process of using the FTL engines to make an near-instantaneous apparent faster-than-light transport of a ship from one point in space to another

Re-imagined Series definition: "Direction, Range, and Distance", Colonial equivalent of radar or lidar

Original Series definition: a title of nobility (e.g. Count Iblis)

Re-imagined Series definition: the act of finding missing persons in the hopes of their rescue, see: SAR ^{(TRS: "Fragged")}

Re-imagined Series definition: used to signify a civilian transport vessel over a certain gross weight/mass, i.e. Colonial Heavy 798

Re-imagined Series definition: Colonial equivalent of radio