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Peter Fargo June 25[edit]
2:44 PM me: What would you want me to do for you to retract your RFC against me? Stop editing? Stop contributing? Stop doing stuff? Stop partisapating in discussions? Stop stating my own option and be strong about it? You have never made it clear. I would rather leave the Wiki than be "banned" for a week. (The Banned policy has never been "discussed", like most of the Policies.) Maybe create a policy and approving it for "dealing with other viewpoints. Maybe a Policy to "vote". Maybe using the new simple {{Support}} and {{Oppose}} templates as the only way to state if someone agress with one way or the other. I don't really know what you are looking to do other than to change me. To change me is not an option because every life is independent from one another and to say "maybe if we banned him for one week to see if his attutude changes." I can tell you right now that will not happen. What do you want to do about it? My options might not change after I would come back, how can you suggest that they would?
2:46 PM Peter: Yes, Shane, I want to change you. You have problems and you need to address them if you want to keep working with us.
me: Us? Who is us?
Is us you?
2:50 PM My problems? Stateing my option. I thought we all are allowed to give our input. (Never Got This)
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Peter Fargo April 28[edit]
2:38 PM me: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/User:Shane Peter: what am I looking at me: the header table Peter: the font is about 2 points too tiny 2:39 PM and that image is way too small. me: suposed to be Peter: also, you still haven't taken my advice about not having "characters" pages that span all three series. me: that is steel talk to steel about it Peter: well, I mean, you asked. me: i'll post no worries main page is #1
Peter Fargo June 8[edit]
10:45 PM Peter: nice initiative on the Oficial Comminques page
*Communiques
me: Thank you.
10:49 PM btw, I looked up his undername in my database
it came up as bradly
Peter: his e-mail is signed "Bradley"
me: that's why I knew ahead of time
Peter: your database?
me: yes. my database.
Peter: Well, that's interesting and all, but I'm sure you understand why I wanted to get some kind of official confirmation.
32 minutes
11:22 PM me: I think we need a new image tag.
something to do with official members uploading images if they do
Peter: um.
11:23 PM me: {{actor image}}
just doesn't cut it
Peter: hrm.
i don't see why that would be any different though. I mean, presumably they own the copyrights to photos of themselves, and can license them just the same as any other user
11:24 PM me: Would we mark it "{{BW exclusive}}
Peter: ... but it wouldn't be. Unless they said so.
me: no matter what it is
umm
tricky.
Peter: i don't think there's a need.
11:25 PM me: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Template:Welcome_official
Peter: if something like this comes up, we can figure out what to do then.
yes, I saw - I like it.
me: i worked on it more
just need a quick view before I subst in brad's page
Peter: okay, reading
11:26 PM i'm going to make a few edits
me: k
I was making one
on spelling
but go ahead first
11:30 PM Peter: okay, couple more things
1.) I don't get what this sentence means: "This way our members can update that need changing, instead of putting this burden on you."
me: if they make a change...
like brad did
11:31 PM they should have to worry about going thorough the wiki to change all of the pages with the d
11:32 PM Peter: oh, I see.
11:36 PM That's my input. I strongly suggest that you ask a few other users before you make it final, though.
17 minutes
11:54 PM me: I wonder if Joe seen this yet
Peter: which?
me: brad
11:55 PM Peter: yes, I forwarded him my e-mail.
Peter Fargo April 27[edit]
6:56 AM me: Morn' Peter: ahoy 6:57 AM me: What is werid.. no one has co mmeted ont he new design since we been working on it I guess once we finsh the portals Peter: well for me me: it can go live because no one seems to have any objectes Peter: I don't browse the wiki that way so it doesn't really matter all that much 6:58 AM but... I do have some pretty big difficulties with how they look, to be honest. I might propose another system. but I mean, I have a lot to do still - image tags for 1980, and um... another big writeup to make about an often misbehaving user. who shall remain nameless. 6:59 AM me: well... as I said... there has been a lack of comment so no one has really gave any indication of any real problems other than that people hate the idea except joe. Peter: I'll be sure to put my two cents in soon. 7:00 AM me: better be soon ;-) at the rate me and steel are going 7:01 AM there could be change of the guard without little notice. :) Peter: that would be unfortunate. 7:02 AM me: as I said.. without comments we would think everything is going ok. 7:03 AM Peter: true. as I always say, communication is important. 20 minutes 7:23 AM me: I saw this Caprica (series); last night 7:24 AM Peter: yeah, it's still last night on this coast speakig of *speaking 7:25 AM me: it gives no date on a timeline Peter: ? 7:26 AM -50some years, they say me: no.. when it will start Peter: oh no idea 26 minutes 7:53 AM me: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Template_talk:Character_Data#First_Introduced
Peter Fargo May 15[edit]
10:29 PM me: With the Proposed Policy tag, people know it's being worked on and it's not offical 10:30 PM why is everything I create come under your creal secuinty? Peter: why is moving it to your user page, as joe suggested, cruel? me: I was even done with it. Peter: you can keep working on it I didn't delete it. me: That's why i didn not move it That is the lamest excuse ever. 10:31 PM people work on podcasts on the main podcast template er namesource and I guess people can't just woprk on the BW namespace anymore because it's just rude Peter: I'm not going to dignify this with a response. Read Joe's comments on the talk page here: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Shane/Policy if you still have a problem, bring it up with Joe 10:32 PM me: I have. And they were a suggestion. if he was to dictate that is should be worked ont he user subpgae while I was ediing it, not while I was done. it is best that you either move the current version of this page to your namespace under a subpage or bring this stuff up for discussion, as Peter suggests. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all peter suggests Not move it to your namespace. 10:33 PM Peter: You can always file an RFC against me if you feel horribly slighted.
Peter Fargo April 9[edit]
2:51 AM me: MediaWiki just came out with the </tag> fix
Peter: ?
2:52 AM me: see the </table> on the main page of the </div> tag
o0n the portal pages, they released a fix that fixes it
2:53 AM Peter: wonderful. i have no idea what the main page of a </div> tag is, though.
me: right below the news
there is that </table> tag
seems to happen in large places of html
2:56 AM Peter: shane, I hope you'll believe me when I say that I don't mean to be insulting by telling you this, but most of the time it's extremely difficult to understand what you're talking about.
It's a serious communication barrier. Can I ask if English is your first language?
me: well.. if you must know... I have a learning disability and i already think at a higher plane so It's very hard to communiticate with people using simple lanauge.
2:57 AM Peter: I'm afraid you don't have much of a choice about it.
me: Image someone with a 130 IQ but Dyslexia hampers my lower congnitive functions
I'm afraid you don't have much of a choice about it.'
?
Peter: well, yes, I can imagine that, but what I'm saying is that the need to communicate clearly isn't waived, even if it's difficult for you.
2:58 AM what I mean is, clarity in communication is vital - just because you find it challenging doesn't mean you can ignore it.
me: If I don't respond it usually means I agree. I will not "up" my edit count just to say yes.
Peter: Well, sometimes that's appropriate and sometimes it isn't. But I mean this in more general terms.
2:59 AM You need to use your language more carefully. </div> tags cannot have main pages. It just doesn't make any sense.
I have a vague notion of what you're talking about, but I'm afraid I'm still very confused - and this has often been the case with you.
3:00 AM me: if it's technicial, you don't have to worry about it
Peter: So it's my sincere advice that you really put some more effort into the clarity of your statements.
Yes, I do.
me: cause Joe is the only one who can do it anyway
Peter: Well, in this case, maybe.
me: Then opost that you want clarification
Peter: Well, I try to when that's necessary.
3:01 AM But maybe before you post things, you could try taking a step back, reading through it, and asking yourself "is this as clear as it could be?"
Just some friendly advice.
me: I am not going to do that to most of my posts because I don't want to write a paragrpah that explains code.
3:02 AM Code is long to write aboute, and I am not going to spend my time writing about code.
Peter: That's not what I'm asking.
me: I will do it when really needed, but not all the time
When I talk about BSG related stuff, I am veryc lear and I do read my work when I am done.
Peter: well, if you say so.
3:03 AM me: You just see YOUR point of view. That's why you can't see my point or understand it.
Peter: No, that's not true at all.
I've spoken to several other users and we all have great difficulty understanding what you're saying. We're perfectly happy to listen to your arguments, but it just takes too much effort to figure out what they are.
3:04 AM me: I don't have to go through with this discussion. I unblocked you, because I thought you were ready to not be critial of the things I do instead of saying "good job". I have yet to see that from you, and you do it for Merv WHO has made fun of me on serveral occuations.
Merv?
Steel?
merficial?
Day?
Peter: This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
me: Not many other people have pointed anything out to me. Ohter than you and Merv.
Peter: I'm offering you advice. You think I'm attacking you.
I'm not.
3:05 AM me: No. This is not.
You are.
And I hate it.
This is not s suggestion
This is "To be a part of this community, you must be clear."
Peter: Of course it is. What recourse do I have if you don't do what I tell you?
me: If it takes more than one time to post something to make it clear I will, but I will not change on who I am to make you happy.
3:07 AM Or anyone else.
By the way....
Peter: Yes?
me: I will use minor edits if I think they are minor.
3:08 AM Not because I don't have to.
Peter: Excuse me?
me: I will select minor edits when I think it's a minor edit.
and onthe talk page before hand, it was not me on the page.
3:09 AM It was someone else, so check the history before making mistakes.
3:10 AM Peter: This edit was by you, and was marked minor. http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk%3AMiniseries&diff=44899&oldid=44898
If you want someone to be sure of reading what you have to say, marking it as a minor edit is a bad idea.
That's my only point.
3:11 AM me: Anything I do is watched huh? WIKI STALKER
Same with Merv.
Disguessting
I don't know how you sleep.
Peter Fargo March 20[edit]
2:35 AM me: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Portals
34 minutes
3:10 AM Peter: you. are. insane.
me: Usually I am not called that... but ok. I'll accept it for now.
3:11 AM Peter: please. just calm down.
I don't understand why you can't just pace yourself out and wait for other people to offer up some opinions.
me: Hey... someone suggested it. So I posed a vote and placed everything under the right catagory.
Peter: The world will not end if a gorgeous and comprehensive portal system isn't up by the end of the week.
3:12 AM Look, I appreciate your impulse, but you keep taking things overboard. There's no use in having a vote if nobody's even had a discussion yet.
Does this make sense? Your contributions are all well-motivated, but you jump at things too fast.
Peter Fargo April 25[edit]
7:20 PM me: You think we can get rid of the category project page?
Peter: hrm.
7:21 PM me: I think we got it pretty much covered :-)
Peter: well, I regret that it's been quiet lately
do you really?
I don't know, I'm still not thrilled with our system
me: Images are the most needed "cat" system
it seems to work
and I don't see any other way. wikipedia does the same thing
Peter: no... the images cat is not part of what I had in mind for that
7:22 PM I think we should leave it
dormant though it may be.
me: k
very dormant
Peter: it's a long summer.
me: aye
it's a long time till BSG
I told steel today
by October
we going to have everything so orginzed
and so "looking" nice
Peter: yes
me: that we make MA look like crap
Peter: hey
7:23 PM I wanted to point you to something
me: Sure.
Peter: I was visiting the homestar runner wiki the other day
and I noticed their portal system
me: :o
Peter: I /really/ like it.
me: /me searches
Peter: very minimalist.
7:24 PM me: website is loading
7:26 PM ok
I am looking at the site
Tell me what you like about it see if I can inc. with ours
Peter: well
i just like how minimalist it is
7:27 PM uncluttered. very few wordy captions
lots of images and links
me: http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page
Peter: http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Characters
for example
it's thorough, but it isn't tiring.
you know?
a good sort of table of contents
7:28 PM me: heh
umm
/me links you to something
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Portal:Battlestar_Galactica_%28TOS%29
Look at Steel's Character "section"
7:29 PM Peter: right, see? this is very busy. it's trying to be too many things all at once.
if steel's characters page were all there was, and that was then linked from the TOS portal at the top via a very prominent navigation bar
5 minutes
7:34 PM Peter: we could have "characters", "locations", "technology"...
7:35 PM me: he is working on a new design
Peter: and then there's no need to have featured articles rotating in and out all the time on six or eight different portals
me: instead of boxed he was going to do in a row
Peter: it's much less manpower intensive
me: was going to do the same thing for RDM
Peter: well
i'll bring it up on wiki talk, maybe
7:36 PM me: kk
taking a break myself
we did so much today...
7:37 PM we even got a few new suggestions for the spoiler template
8 minutes
7:45 PM me: arn't u almost done?
7:46 PM Peter: with the image cats?
me: with TOS
yeah
Peter: i'm about 2/3 through
you can turn off minor edits, if you're trying to read through the edit history
7 minutes
7:53 PM Peter: done with TOS
me: yay!
Peter: :-)
7:55 PM me: Even got this working: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay/index.php/User:Shane
Should I start listing all of today's "big" updates?
7:56 PM Peter: listing them?
me: yeah
well
since it was mostly me, merc, and steel
most of our stuff is buried
deep down now
Peter: i mean, if you want to.
me: I have links to them all
Peter: I probably wouldn't bother
7:57 PM me: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Standards_and_Conventions#Archives_Pages
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Template_talk:Spoiler
7:58 PM http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Template_talk:Message_box
Peter: i'm replying to them, maybe that will bring them back to attention
7:59 PM me: k
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki:Community_Portal
8:00 PM Peter: replied to the first two.
8:01 PM is the community portal supposed to replace the wikipedian quorum?
me: no.
Peter: ok
me: The Site Notice
MediaWiki:Stie Notice
Peter: what about it?
do you want me to update something?
me: Most wiki's don't keep their sitenotices running 24/7
Peter: eh. we're a busy place.
me: so they use the community portal for important quick annouments
Peter: ah...
8:02 PM me: the Quourm is our foumr
er
"forum"
Mercifull is like the Image master
When even go an Open tasks.png image
8:03 PM oh yeah
I even suggested that we start getting concenous on the proposed policies
to make them policies
Peter: ok.
I'm afraid I can't really talk much
me: no prob.
Study!
Peter: hah. I wish!
8:04 PM me: It was an idea..
:-)
Peter: I have to transcribe KoenigRules' latest interview
me: ....
Peter: and then write up my opinion and get Joe's permission to recast the vote
me: yeah
8:05 PM let me know how that goes
how long is it?
Peter: it doesn't seem to have been posted yet
8:06 PM oh
it's tonight. I thought it was last.
me: there we go
I wonder if we can listen to it live
Peter: probably, but it's hard to transcribe that way
8:07 PM me: listening it to it live
makes sure you get the right one :o
8:08 PM 10pm EST
Peter: well, the one for the 25th hasn't bee posted yet
he won't go live for a few hours yet
8:09 PM me: yeah
live at 10pm est
Peter: thanks
8:11 PM me: Merc liked the Caution sign because it caught the eye
the Stop sign was blended in
Peter: it's just an opinion
me: true
8:16 PM Connected to the Winamp stream.
Do we ever do merging?
Peter: merging?
8:17 PM me: Take something from one article and put it somewhere else or split it?
Peter: yes
me: (minus the Miniseries)
Peter: the miniseries needs to be re-merged very badly, IMO
i just haven't gotten around to having the requisite big argument about it.
8:18 PM the Twelve Colonies project was a big split-and-merge.
8:19 PM me: did not know that
well
gives me another reason then to create another template, for future use
7 minutes
8:26 PM Peter: i'm of
*off
ttyl.
me: later