Talk:Number Four/Archive 1

Simon says: "Ow-ow-ow-ow-ow-stop-shooting-me-ow-ow-ow-stop-stabbing-me-ow-ow-ow..."

Is it just me, or did Simon's appearance fall under the ""Black Guy dies first / fastest" cinema cliche? Not to start any arguments of any useful nature, but it just struck me that Simon's copies got whacked on average (screen time) much faster. (The link I posted seemed weird enough to add for humor or "WTF" responses.) --Spencerian 13:00, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I don't know, man. He certainly wasn't the first Cylon to die, and I don't know about fastest to die either. It seems to me that Doral blowing himself up or random Sixes or Sharons getting shot on Caprica or blown up in orbit above Kobol were rather "fast" deaths.

I think he was just caught by surprise b/c he was assuming that Starbuck didn't know about him and must not have believed there were any weapons she could use in the room. He is one of my "favorite" Cylons.

What do you think about the diversity in the show? In TOS, there were two Black characters who were recast as White characters in the RDM series. I thought that was strange since there is generally more diversity and "gender-equality", but it seems like Simon is one of very few Black characters, although there is the addition of Asian and Latino characters like Sharon and Adama. Rocky8311 14:21, 22 November 2005 (EST)

Oh, I think diversity is pretty good in the show. I wouldn't even pick nits about the lack of blacks as commanders in the show, since the Original Series already did that with Terry Carter. For the most part I thought about Simon's fate very humorously, so I hope I'm not coming off as some PC, overly racially-sensitive type. I think RDM is going to show us how Cylon culture's faring on their new homes, and I'd be really amused at the relative lack of diversity with their humano-Cylons, both genetically and personally--seems to me that the Valeriis aren't very different in terms of how they react to things--the same personality. I appreciate the gender equality--girls who kick ass, like Starbuck, are always fun to watch. We've seen many supporting roles such as Elosha and Venner that have depth and interest, so in the end, race isn't that much of an issue. But Simon better learn to heal himself as I think he gets offed far too quickly. Think about it: We lose the first Six about 30 minutes into the Mini-Series, and Leobens have a short shelf life. Valeriis get offed by the dozen, although a couple persist. I don't know, I guess I should worry more about Leoben, but then I know more about him than Simon. --Spencerian 15:33, 22 November 2005 (EST)