Talk:Small arms/Archive 1

I'll get some screen captures of some of these later, tonight or tomorrow. --Talos 16:14, 9 January 2007 (CST)

"POV" in terms of voice

While the article is informative, it's voiced "out-of-universe" and so reads more like a behind-the-scenes article of props than a description of what the weapon might be able to do based on its real-world counterpart or on-screen action. When I run into articles like this, I usually use a References section to move the behind-the-scenes comments or sources out of the way of the main text so that article reads better. Thoughts? --Spencerian 20:24, 9 January 2007 (CST)

Concur. Super-informative, but TONS of real world references. However... without the real world references, is there really much worth commenting on? "The Colonials use various pistols, rifles, and submachine guns, sometimes equipped with various accessories such as grenade launchers." That may be oversimplifying just a tad, but ultimately most of the notability of the small arms is the fact that they use some (particular) real world weapons (or at least props that look like real world weapons). Should there be a split between a "Small arms" article and a "behind the scenes" category "Weapons used in the Series" type article? However, as is stated in the opening paragraph, there's not much canon regarding the small arms, so the in-universe articl would be considerably smaller. --Steelviper 07:53, 10 January 2007 (CST)

SV gives my thoughts exactly, I support splitting it into two articles, a small realworld one, which won't have much. It'd have info on the explosive rounds and such, stuff we know. Then a "Weapons Used in Battlestar Galactica" or somesuch for the real-world gear. --Talos 11:01, 10 January 2007 (CST)

As said, the only thing this article has going for it, is what real-life weapons are used. There is really nothing else to say. Having two articles would be alright, even if one will be very short --Serenity 15:49, 10 January 2007 (CST)

Optionally, we can create a new article, "Props used in Battlestar Galactica". This would discuss the many real-life objects and their origin as this page does with weapons, and add these items. --Spencerian 15:58, 10 January 2007 (CST)

I don't know. Generally, it's a good idea, but the guns are relatively prominent in the series, so there is a lot of information about them. Maybe enough to warrant an own sub-article in addition to the other props. A way to seperate the "real-world" information a bit could be to create a "behind the scenes" tag like "silly" and "seperate continuity".

Alternatively, if an in-universe small arms section is pretty small, we could just keep that information on Weapons in the Re-imagined Series and add explosives and the RPG from "Exodus, Part I" to it. Then an own tiny article isn't needed and this one could be renamed/reworded to make out more "behind the scenes" --Serenity 08:33, 11 January 2007 (CST)

I like it. Small paragraph or two in "Weapons" for in-universe, rename/recatogorize/etc. this article to indicate behind the scenes. --Steelviper 08:49, 11 January 2007 (CST)

Sounds like it generates the same effect I'd prefer to keep the voices right. Let's do that. --Spencerian 09:55, 11 January 2007 (CST)

So the voices are telling you that's the way it should be done? (Just don't talk back to the voices, they won't put up with sass.) --Steelviper 10:02, 11 January 2007 (CST)

SA-80 comments

Are the issues surrounding the SA-80 rifle really relevant to this article? Aside from the fact that they are not entirely accurate (The current A2 version is seen as a marked improvement), these issues are not really important to someone's viewing or understanding of BSG.--Cohnee 05:53, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Right. I'll remove it --Serenity 07:32, 15 January 2007 (CST)

standard pistol picture requested

Does anyone have a really good picture of the standard Colonial pistol? Preferably the Miniseries/early Season 2 version, that was based on a revolver, before they switched to the FN Five-SeveN. I think it's the most "iconic" weapon on BSG and would be a good picture for the general weapons article too. I know there are pics out there of just the weapon, not really screencaps (and not even fan replicas). But the best I could find, is from "Fragged" where Crashdown threatens Cally and Tyrols fires at the Centurions. If nothing turns up I'll use that, but just the pure weapon would be cool. --Serenity 14:04, 15 January 2007 (CST)

To be honest, I think it'd be best to have a pic of the pistol that's seen most often; ie, the Five-seveN. I know the LeMat version was seen thoughout the miniseries and season one, but I'm pretty sure, scene for scene, we've seen (not scene! :P ) the Five-seveN more often. Either way, I have a couple of caps of both kicking around, whatever we decide. Let me know :) -Madbrood 14:32, 15 January 2007 (CST)

There is already a pic of the Five-SeveN there (though if you want a better one look at "Torn"). I just thought it'd be nice to have both. And the "original" is still around in early Season 2 (such as "Valley of Darkness"). I think Apollo even used in "Resurrection Ship, Part I" when he was de-armed in the Raptor. --Serenity 14:39, 15 January 2007 (CST)

I can get one of the early pistol, there's a good shot in the Miniseries that should work. I'll keep an eye out for a better shot of the FNs too. --Talos 18:08, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Yeah, the Mini has some good scenes like when Boomer and Helo hold off the refugees at the Raptor. But all shots I found were very blurry. Guess I could I make my own ones, but I know there are good ones somewhere out there. And now that I think about it, Tyrol's pistol from "Fragged" is likely the semi-auto version as well. --Serenity 18:12, 15 January 2007 (CST)

There is an excellent side shot of the S1 pistol in "Resistance" when Helo wields the pistol and MP9. I'm not sure what the time code is, because I found the pic on bsgmedia.org's "Resistance" gallery. I'm sure someone with the Season 2.0 DVDs can get the shot. --Kregano 20:25, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Re-imagined Series definition: Battlestar Group ^{(TRS: "Water")}. It also doubles as an acronym for the television series itself.