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| You have contacted the Homeworld. Apologies, but I am not available at the moment because my colony was recently nuked to death in a Cylon-led holocaust and I am probably writhing in agony on a street somewhere, groping for some anti-radiation meds. If this is the Fleet, please be advised that I am working on a the Battlestar Wiki project for the Twelve Colonies while you search for refuge on Earth. Feel free to leave a message of any sort, from business to history to a pleasant hello and anything in between and I will get back to you shortly. Good Luck! -- Homeworld616
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| == Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
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| --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:23, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
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| Just to help get you started off on the right foot, marking edits "minor" are for spelling corrections, typos, etc. Anything that doesn't add content or changes "meaning". --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:32, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
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| Is it Homeworld 616, because the main Marvel Comics universe (within the Marvel multiverse) is "Earth-616"?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:47, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
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| Two users on my Battlestar Wiki talk page. That's more than I have on Wikipedia! I left the reply to this on your [[User talk:The Merovingian| user talk page]], Merovingian. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 09:18, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :Other people look but dont post ;) --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 09:53, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ==Twelve Colonies Galactic Location==
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| Hey, I suppose you might've known, but there's actually a little thing on wikipedia about the actual Galactic Location of the Twelve Colonies, I dunno if you might know something about this. It was calculated using the Lagoon Nebula:
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| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagoon_Nebula
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| And here is a picture I posted to serve as what might be a "map" using that info:
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| http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2435/bsgmap3jf.jpg
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| Just thought you might find it interesting, or that you might've done it since you are a lot into this topic, which is quite interesting ;) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 13:06 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| *Just to bring it to everyone's attention: people believe Wikipedia when it's faceless...but *I wrote that article on wikipedia*. And I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. (click on that user: "130.64.153.83"-->That's my school IP address (different during the summer), check my user history and you'll notice my extensive updates to LOTR and the other Battlestar Galactica junk on Wikipedia. Yeah I figured that Cygnus arm stuff out a while ago but never got around to finding a good spot to put it in here: but just so you know, it's not an "expert" that thought that theory up, I did, and I could be wrong. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:15, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| **And might I say, that is an excellent map of my crackpot theory, Sauron :) but yeah, I mean think about it: in the [[Tomb of Athena]], they're seeing what an observer on Earth would see, but the Lagoon Nebula as seen from Earth is *recognizable* to them: if they were from the other side of the Galaxy, the nebula would look different. This means that the 12 Colonies have to be "behind" Earth, when viewing the Lagoon Nebula which is on the exact opposite side, for the shape to look the same. So make a straight line from the Lagoon Nebula to Earth and keep going...you get the Cygnus arm. Mind you, Cylon space isn't necessarily even further rimwards than the 12 Colonies, but it's probably right next to the 12 Colonies anyway. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:19, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ***Thanks Merv, and yeah I knew it was someone probably from inside this wiki, I was just pointing out to this user. A very cool theory btw, I myself have been curious about their galactic location. My decision for Cylon space is based on that we know the colonials basically started running in the opposite direction from it, so I basically circled all the possible "opposite" locations instead of just pinpoing it. But it's all a guss in the end, and that's where the fun is ;) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 13:40 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ****Nice theory, great graphic. Seems very plausible to me. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:47, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| I like this. I had no idea people that zealous were out there to actually calculate this stuff! By the way, I notice that they didn't include Kobol. Did the creators of this just assume that the viewer would instinctively put Kobol between the colonies and Earth or was it just not worth it? Anyway, great graphic and greater theroy. Thanks! --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 15:07, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :Nice articles, HW. Where did you see the name of the station in the miniseries, by the way? I'm sure it wasn't said, so I presume you could make out the "booger" on the viewscreen.
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| :I loved Sauron's map, but if you like more mindblowing stuff, try out the [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]] and [[Computers]] article. I originated them long ago...and in fact, I think Sauron could add his map there..I'll check. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:37, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ::Thanks for the compliments on the articles. Feels nice to have fellow fans who are atuned to the Colonies. About the Caprican news station, you're right. They never actually said the name. However, I base my findings on two facts: (1) When Baltar is being interviewed by Kellan Brody of ''In the Spotlight'', if you look in the (I think) lower right-hand corner of the screen, you can see a white logo of a number 7 in the middle of a circle (that is the "booger" you were referring to?). (2) Brody makes a big deal about her show interviewing ''only'' Caprican headline-makers. Based on the logo's number and the pro-Caprican bias of the anchorwoman, the station's name must be '''Caprica 7'''. I can always change the name to '''Channel 7''' if the community reaches the concensus that my findings for Caprica 7 aren't good enough, but I plan to leave the name just like it is. I'm going to check out those links you sent me. Contact me if you've got more stuff to talk about.
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| P.S. I recently posted a reformed article [[Unnamed Cities of Caprica]]. Check it out if this topic interests you. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 13:49, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| == Another Caprica Pic ==
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| [[:Image:CapricaMessage.jpg|Here]] is another pic of Caprica. (Night sky as they Raiders begin their attack run.) There's a "hidden" message in that one, which is why it was stashed away in [[Original Series References]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:50, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :Thanks for the image! That's pretty cool. I'm going to try to decipher that message. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:36, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ::It's just off the right wing of the "center" raider (the answer is on the TOS References pages if you get stumped). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:41, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :::I'm looking at it from every angle, but it's a stumper. Those lights hardly even look like letters. I assume this message is not in Japanese. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:44, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :::It looks kind of like it says, "SUCKER!" or "SUFFER!" Both of those are probably so far off the mark it's not even funny. I'm going to study it some more. I bet if I look in the references it will all come together, but I'm going to try to make it on my own before checking. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:46, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::That's actully really close. There's another word below that one, though, that helps with the context. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::It says "fuck". Ive seen this before :P --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 14:49, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::There's also an "off" underneath it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:52, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::Someone told me once it was "Lucas" but i could never see it --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 14:54, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::::That person was probably wrong. No way they could fit "Lucas" in there, unless they branched off to a bunch of other lights, which would defeat the purpose of the "easy-to-read" message. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:56, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ==Greetings==
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| With the exception of the "Top of the morning to you" comment which is Irish it was a very good attempt. Now if you will excuse me kind sir, but I have to go and have a cup of tea and a scone. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 10:38, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :Great, glad to know I was at least 90% correct in my attempt =D. Now, for my response in American vernacular. Gotta go, dude. I'm gonna get me a cheeseburger and soda. We are so improper and casual, and most of us hate the Iraq War and Bush, just so you in Europe know. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 10:45, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ::Channeling the Dixie Chicks? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:33, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :::What do you mean? I'm just a bit fettish in making sure our European allies know that we're not all a bunch of gun-totting cowboys. Perhaps I'm a bit OCD, but the USA's world image has always been a concern of mine. Not that I take offense to your comment, but I HATE the Dixie Chicks. They can't get their political philosophy straigt and their music is sub-par, to be tactfull. In order for me to be channeling the Dixie Chicks, I'd have to say "Hooray for Bush!" then say in the next line, "Bush sucks!" I've never done that. I'm a straight-up Independant and I believe that Bush has his good points and bad points. He's human. I'm removed from that whole Republic-Democrat bias. I'm just an Independant concerned with America's world image. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 11:42, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :::Oh, no. I wasn't going into deep analysis. It's just that your "just so you in Europe know" quote sounded almost identical to their "Just so you know, we're ashamed Bush is from Texas" quote in the UK (way back whenever that was). Apparently my joke missed the mark (though whether I was wide left or wide right is debatable). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:50, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::Crap! Sorry if I sounded edgy, but I thought you were trying to imply something. I give you my sincirest apologies. Since I don't listen to the Dixie Chicks, I'm bound to miss your joke. Curses! Oh well, I'm glad we avoided a feud over a misinterpretation. Sorry if you had to bear my political philosophy tirade. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 11:58, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| == ESKIMOS? ==
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| rofl. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 00:25, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :Yeah, I wanted to be random so I listed off a bunch of different groups that came to mind. I wonder where Eskimos would actually live in the Colonies though... --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 00:47, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :By the way, hi there Shane! Glad you could read my "new and improved" userpage! --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 00:50, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ::Doesn't Nuclear Weapons cause ''Nuclear Winter''? :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 00:52, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :::Ha! That's a good one! No, seriously it is! Eskimos can now live on ''all'' of the Twelve Colonies, in every region to. Although I should point out that while Helo and Sharon were stuck on Caprica, it was in Nuclear Winter and all the happened was a lot of rain...and it was sunny in some episodes! Shouldn't it have been all dark and threatening like the scorched sky in The Matrix? --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 01:04, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::If that were true, it be true in real life. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 06:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::I suppose you're right. The science of the RDM series is pretty accurate. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 10:06, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ==Music to work, too==
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| May I compliment you on your kick-a$$ selection of music to work to. I was going to add a Rob Zombie myself; "Superbeast" set to the Eva-02 vs the Mass Production Evas fight, but as it's....incredibly spoilerific for ''End of Evangelion'' I'm waiting on that...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 10:55, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
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| ::Yes! Thank you for the compliments. You know, I have to thank you a lot for inspiring a lot of sections on my userpage. If not for your page, I wouldn't have a V for Vendetta section or a music category. I checked out some of the songs on your page, most notably ''In the Year 2525.'' You have an excellent taste. Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I have a couple Evanescence songs I need to add. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 13:41, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
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| :::"Please allow me to introduce myself: I'm a man of wealth...and taste" --''V for Vendetta'' graphic novel, p.54, V introducing himself to Bishop Lilliman before he kills him in the abbey.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:10, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::Ah yes, ''Sympathy for the Devil'' by the Rolling Stones. You know, I've never actually read the V for Vendetta graphic novel. I've only seen the movie (which is stellar, if I do say so myself). I read about the graphic novel on Wikipedia and it is apparently quite a bit different from the motion picture. The best way I can sum up the differences is that in the movie the protagonists/antagonists are based on icons and in the graphic novel they are based on caricatures. It is my opinion, however, that in the novel, it's sort of anticlimactic to blow up 10 Downing Street last and Parliament first with the Old Bailey in the middle. I'm American so I don't know which of those three buildings has more symbolism for you in the UK, but for us Parliament is the symbol of your country. Of course, blowing up 10 Downing, Old Bailey and Parliament is your equivalent of us seeing the White House, Supreme Court and Capitol Building explode. I'm actually hoping to get the graphic novel for Christmas. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 19:43, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::The graphic novel was a lot more gray; V is actually an anarchist believing in no government, and he kills a LOT of people. No, in the graphic novel it wasn't anti-climactic; for British people they actually know all of this stuff better; there are Americans taht don't even know what 10 Downing Street *is*. But of course in the comic Parliament had been abandoned for years; left an empty shell. As for the ending, the novel was flat out better; Evey BECOMES V, and instead of the army putting down their guns, there's a bloody French Reovolution-like riot in which they storm the soldiers and lot of people die, but they win and destroy the government. The movie was great, and I honestly can't think of anything they really should have changed. The thing I miss is that...you know how V "conducts" the destruction of the Old Bailey? In the novel, that's V's centerpiece near the end; he blows up like 3 major building complexes around London, everything to do with the video surveillance cameras (the equivalent of blowing up Fox News HQ, CIA headquarters, etc. all at once and all in one fell swoop) so when he's "directing" he's standing on a roof and pointing across the cityscape as explosions progress from horizon to horizon. He then takes a dramatic bow. It was cool. Plus the way V killed Lilliman in the novel was a lot more fun; no way they could get that into a movie....poisoned communion wafer...dear god...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:58, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::Nice. Of couse, movies cut out a lot from the original production. That time-constraint stuff is a real kill-joy. The details you described would have been awesome in the movie. Of couse, I have to ask, why would Evey need to become V? With the Government toppled and anarchy in every UK republic why does there need to be a new V? Also, I bet in the movie Parliament was abandonned as well and just kept looking nice for national pride and BTN backdrops. No one in the Government ever mentioned it as a functioning legislative body, just as a building. All power seemed to lie with Sutler and Creedy. By the way, what was the fate of the United States in the graphic novel? I know that in the movie my country was basically obliterated by the War on Terror and we're trapped in a massive-scale, bloody second civil war and desperate for supplies (Prothero does a really nice job of cussing us out in the opening). There's actually a funny filming gaffe there. You know after Sutler orders Dascomb to send that message of near-doom to the people? When the BTN is reporting on the Second Civil War, the news poppet says "In the former United States the second civil war continues to ravage the Midwest." There was a small inset screen showing Americans toting M16s shooting up trucks, convenience stores and strip malls. The funny thing was, there were palm trees outside one of the malls so that was filming Florida or southern California. The Midwest is full of wheat and no palm trees. That just cracked me up. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 20:54, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::"''Nice. Of couse, movies cut out a lot from the original production. That time-constraint stuff is a real kill-joy. The details you described would have been awesome in the movie. Of couse, I have to ask, why would Evey need to become V? With the Government toppled and anarchy in every UK republic why does there need to be a new V?''"------>V explicitly makes all of this clear in a speech. He explains that there are 2 sides to Anarchy; it's not just chaos. It's people governing for themselves. So half of it is destroying, the rest is rebuilding and making sure it rebuilds ''right'' this time. V himself is a destroyer; he has no place in the rebuilding phase of Anarchy, while Evey does. In the movie, V suicidally takes on Creedy and his men: **V could easily have killed all of them without risking his life**; he wanted to die; his place in the world died with the end of Norsefire. **Similar** thing happens in the novel, though I think the movie did it better; in the novel, in a very similar scene, Finch figures out that the Shadow Gallery is really in the ruins of Victoria Station, goes there and V *anticipated* his arrival; V *LETS* Finch shoot him, and then leaves. It's expressely stated by Finch that he shouldn't have been able to kill V, but that V *Wanted* to die. This is the part the movie screwed up--->A huge crowd of people masses in front of 10 Downing Street (Parliament in the movie) and are about to riot when word comes over the loudspeakers that Codename V is dead. (V dies with Evey as in movie, though in the Shadow Gallery's main hall). Everyone hesistates; then Evey-as-V (Evey put on a spare V costume and becomes the new V) stands on a rooftop and announces that reports of "his death...were greatly exaggerated". Remboldened, the crowd rushes the soldiers and a bloody battle ensues. B) I don't really notice such little things like "midwest but there's palm trees"; 1) they're just running stock footage of fighting somewhere else 2) the US has balkanized or something into several smaller fighting regions, like the former USSR. The USA is really only mentioned in passing in the movie and we can't really piece together what's going on. Rather than a "second civil war", it's more like the soviet breakup; dozens of tiny fiefdoms carved out of the corpse. 3) '''I assumed that BTN was making up or exaggerating most of it as propaganda anyway'''. "''By the way, what was the fate of the United States in the graphic novel?''"--->They don't really mention it that much, but the key difference is that '''in the graphic novel there was a *limited* nuclear war, while in the movie there was a massive bio-terror attack'''. The idea in the graphic novel is that there was a nuclear war, but because Britain was officially neutral, there were no nuclear attacks on Britain itself. ***However, the outside world is decimated. It's worse than in the movie. Continental Europe, and Africa, simply "aren't there anymore!" They're gone. USA and USSR nuked each other to ashes. In the graphic novel its different: although not nuked directly, massive ecological damage wreaks havoc on Britain (the Thames floods out most of London, disease is rampant, food scarce, etc.); years later they've kind of rebuilt, but things are pretty shaky (that's also why the London Underground was abandoned in the novel; flood damage, as opposed to the movie where after the bio-terror attack everyone was afraid to use them and they were sealed off and/or abandoned. --------->Anyway, the idea is that Norsefire is the only thing holding "Britain" together as they really haven't recovered from the ecological/economic devastation of the war....this makes V's actions even more gray: in the movie, all is well with Norsefire gone; in the graphic novel, serious questions are raised that destroying the *bad* government might make everything simply fall apart. ------->Of course, in the foward to the graphic novel from a few years ago, the writer acknowledged taht when he wrote it in the 1980's they thought there was such a thing as "a survivable nuclear war", but that now experts thought that even a "limited" nuclear war was unsurvivable. So I think using bio-terrorism weapons instead in the movie was the more "realistic" way of updating the idea; still a weapon of mass destruction, but more plausible. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 01:51, 20 August 2006 (CDT)
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