User talk:Phalanx-a-pedian

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Valkyrie

There is only one Battlestar Valkyrie. The Galactica type Battlestar seen is unnamed. --Frylock86

If you look at the episode, when they are travelling in the fleet they look out one side of the viper while talking about Valkyrie. All the shots are consistent in showing that there is only one battlestar on this side, the Galatica type. Thus there must be two Valkyries, one in the cylon war, and one years later of a different class. The Valkyrie types seen are un-named, the Galactica type is named "Valkyrie". Phalanx-a-pedian 21:22, 17 November 2012 (EST)

There has to be some way to clarify this. The crew of the Raptor was also looking up - towards the small Valkyrie type above them. The presence of the Valkyrie type is already enough to err on the side of caution...? --Frylock86

When they start off talking the Galactica type is above and to their right, by the time they stop talking about the Loki they are parallel to the Galactica types top. At no point are they to the right of any Valkyrie type and (even they there is a Brezerk class in the way at one point) they are looking in roughly the right direction for the Galactica type the entire time that they are talking about it. Phalanx-a-pedian 21:43, 17 November 2012 (EST)

Is there a way to just combine both ships into one page, similar to the Colombia page? That way we don't have separate pages for both ships. It seems odd having (Second Cylon War) written at the top. --Frylock86

There definitely is, I just feel that the new one deserves its one page while the first one doesn't really. The options we have are:

• Put them in the same page like Columbia (I think this would look quite messy due to not enough text to match the size of the info box for the first one and that one logically being first).
• Two separate pages with ([first/second] cylon war).
• The current solution.
• move the second valk page back to its original name and have a dis note saying that this is the second valk and linking to either the list of battlestars #valkyrie page or to the page on the original (My preference).

Phalanx-a-pedian 22:36, 17 November 2012 (EST)

Is there a consensus? Having the odd title make the Valkyrie page an odd man out from the rest of the entries. --Frylock86

Valkyrie should really be one page, sectioned off like Columbia (RDM) is. Also, in the future, it would be advisable to discuss such changes first on the appropriate talk page before executing them on a whim (even if they are well intentioned). -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 00:40, 18 November 2012 (EST)

I disagreed with Phalanx-a-pedian and he is wrong. The Valkyire is not a Galactica-type Battlestar. Because when they are talking, Adama is looking up toward the Valkyrie-type that is above Raptor 909. At no time does he look to the side to where the unnamed Galactica-type Battlestar is located. The last shot we seen of the Raptor and 2 Vipers show then almost beside the Berzek, which is blocking the unnamed Galactica-type Battlestar. Then it show the cockpit and Adama is looking up and talking about the Valkyrie. I think it make more sense to assumed that the Valkyrie is the same class till evidence present it not.

Also, the title of the page shouldn't be Valkyrie (Second Cylon War) as the recon mission happen before the start of the Second Cylon War. Maybe it should be either Valkyrie or Valkyrie (Valkyrie-type Battlestar). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Allenknott3 (talk • contribs).

I agree with Allenknott3; I think it'd be extremely bizarre for them to put the Valkyrie model into that shot and mention it by name if it wasn't supposed to be the one seen in Hero. Although it might be very slight conjecture claiming that they're the same ship, it's even bigger conjecture to claim it was the Galactica type instead. YIIMM 13:19, 18 November 2012 (EST)

According to Doug Drexler, the Valkyrie mention in B&C is the same ship as seen in Hero. He replies to my facebook message, "Hi Allen! From the VFX departments POV, Valkyrie in B&C was the ship from "Hero". It makes for a much more interesting story : )" Allenknott3