Editing User talk:Catrope

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== I like the switch better.... ==

Less templates. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:29, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
:The new solution makes sure everyone can set autoborders, rather than just the people who can edit [[Template:Flag]] (which should really be protected). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:31, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
::Maybe, but if we had a template check... every page would be looking for it and it become a "requested template" under Wanted Pages. We are trying to reduce that list.. not expand it. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:33, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
:::[[Template:Country alias]] is on top of [[Special:Wantedpages]] with 152 links, all resulting from pages using the {Cast,Crew,User} Data template while not specifying a nationality. Also, does it really matter? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:39, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
::::That will be fixed soon... :-D [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:40, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
:Job queue is over 15k. I am running it right now. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:51, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
::I saw the fix. What exactly is the job queue and what does it mean that it's over 15K? Also, in which way will hundreds of pages checking for [[Template:Country flag autoborder US]] and find it nonexistent hurt the system? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:05, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Fixed! YAY! :-D [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 11:57, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Am I the only one that think flag borders look ugly? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 12:16, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
:I do not like them either... naybe not "white". Maybe another color.. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:29, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
::Hmm, whatever you did to [[Template:Border]] just now messed up the borders for {{flag|BE}} again. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:51, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Shane, could you elaborate more on why you prefer the #switch over the templates? AFAIK, doing an #ifexists on a page doesn't get it into [[Special:Wantedpages]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:34, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
:How do i turn off flag borders for me then? I dont think they look right and dont fit well with the rest of the wiki design. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 02:58, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
::Instead of {{tlp|flag|BE}} (gives {{flag|BE}}), use {{tlp|country flag|BE}} (gives {{country flag|BE}}). Shane somehow managed to mess up the BE border, but the {{flag|DE}} and {{flag|EE}} look fine to me. <s>Meanwhile, I'll try to fix the BE border.</s> Fixed. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 06:27, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
:::That wont stop borders from appearing all over the place tho will it? How do i remove the horrible border from the german flag on the front page? It looks ugly. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 08:11, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
::::If your uglyness complaint was about the DE flag not lining up with the rest of the flags, that's fixed now. It's an ugly, temporary fix, though (I simply moved it down by 5px), but it's the best we've got going so far. AFAIK you're our CSS guru, so maybe if you take a look at [[Template:Border]] you'll come up with something better. You can use [[User:Catrope/Template:Border]] and [[User:Catrope/Testing Template]] for testing, if you want to. If you just find the borders ugly in themselves, you can always remove them using the procedure I outlined above. The flags for the Main Page are at [[Template:International inline]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:24, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

== collapsible tables ==

Hi Catrope,

Thank you for the code. I ran into a few subtle bugs when I tried to fix the nesting of those table a couple of months ago. I'm about to go to Switzerland for a few days but I'll review and implement you fix when I get back. Cheers, [[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud Koot]] 13:13, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:No problem. Have fun in Switzerland. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:15, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

== Welcome to the [[BW:USERTYPES|Order of the Sponge]] ==

Catrope, you've easily demonstrated your abilities and skills, so I've granted you page-move ability to use as necessary. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:14, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
:Thanks. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:26, 10 June 2007 (CDT)

== Troyan userpage ==

I've added a new "essay" to my user page. If you want to archive the previous version of my user page, go right ahead. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 03:05, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
:Done. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:26, 10 June 2007 (CDT)

== Indexing... ==

I am getting a bot that going to do all the archiving. I am getting the source code for it now. :D [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:16, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
:Oh, that'd be nice. I liked doing it nonetheless. BTW, I think I've archived pretty much everything by now, the largest non-archived page being [[User talk:Peter Farago]] ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:18, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
:Also, you might wanna know the MediaWiki folks are [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API working on a better API] so bots won't have to dig through HTML responses any more. It's not finished yet, but when it is, it'll make a bot programmer's life a lot easier. I'm intending to write a bot that uses the new API (after I've helped finishing the API itself, of course), and your ArchiveBot just gave me an idea for another feature ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:41, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

== [[Template:Archive-message]] ==

The bot, when it created an archive message add a template to the top of the page, right now I wanted to remove the fields so it's just plain. They will be added back once I can figure out why (also) it's not working correctly and how to code Phyton. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:34, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:When start and end aren't specified, they don't break anything, do they? Then why not leave them in. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 05:43, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
:I see they're back, thanks for that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:00, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

== Bots and MediaWiki API ==
I saw your comments regarding edit tokens at MW:API and thought you may be interested in the SimpleForms extension which already has the ability to update and create articles from the HTTP request parameters. It doesn't implement edit tokens yet, but does allow you to lock it down so that requests are only allowed from the localhost which means your server-side scripts can update articles and is much easier to implement than a bot. If you prefer bots we have some Perl code for accessing wikis at http://www.organicdesign.co.nz/wiki.pl and there are libs like [http://pywikipediabot.sourceforge.net PyWikiBot]. See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot Wikipedia:Creating a bot]. --[[User:Nad|Nad]] 21:28, 23 June 2007 (CDT)
:We're breaking edit tokens and the like in the API right now. I already have a working action=rollback implementation supporting edit tokens, and am currently working on action=delete. Editing pages through the API shouldn't be far away. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:18, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
::Cool, I'll update SimpleForms to work with the API when it's ready. Thanks ;-) --[[User:Nad|Nad]] 14:49, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I'll remember to drop you a note when it is. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:57, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

== Creation of new episode pages ==

Why don't you just copy a previous episode page and change all the relevant stuff (which is just a few numbers and names), instead of using the default template? That's far easier. I was already done with everything when you submitted the page. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:23, 26 June 2007 (CDT)
:Sorry. Feel free to overwrite me. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:25, 26 June 2007 (CDT)
::No problem. It's not that you did it. Edit conflicts happen, even if they suck. But you just added the framework without any content. Never mind. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:28, 26 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I just went autopilot and did <code><nowiki>{{subst:Episode Guide}}</nowiki></code>. Didn't think about your suggestion, which is cleverer. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:35, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

== Virgon link ==

I linked to the Twelve Colonies article because [[Virgon]] is a TOS/RDM disambiguation. I see your argument, but for that you should use [[Virgon (RDM)]].

Generally though, I think we try to link directly to correct sites and not use redirect links even if they are easier. You did with [[Galactica]] vs [[Galactica (RDM)]] for example. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:59, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
:The point here is that we can be fairly sure that [[Galactica (RDM)]] will always end up linking to the right page, no matter what crazy stunts we decide to pull. [[Galactica]] may not redirect there forever. Same with [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Virgon]] vs. [[Virgon (RDM)]]: the latter is guaranteed to be right and stay right, whereas the former is not. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 06:01, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

== White-on-white edit count ==
I already told Shane about this, he must have forgotten. Its not a CSS error its a bug in the actual extension taking the wrong attributes. If you see him before I do just give him a gentle reminder. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 11:01, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

== The Mop beckons you ==

I created a [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/Catrope|Request for adminship]] for you :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:26, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

== Template test page ==

Couldn't this be deleted: [[User:Catrope/Testing Template]]? Or at least cleared. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:34, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
:Well spotted. I cleared it, but kept it around for when I need it again. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:45, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

== Quotes ==

Hi! Glad you're back.  I noticed that on your edits today, regarding quotes, you've been changing many one-line quotes so that a rank and the name of the character appear first. However, that does not match [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions#Quote of the Day|these standards]]. According to that, for one-line quotes, the quote appears first, followed by a hard line break and ''then'' the rank & name followed by the episode. -- [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 18:19, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
:Thanks for pointing that out, I never knew that. I just used the 'long' format for all quotes. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 02:53, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
::Well, the rules are a bit overcomplicated for such a trivial thing as quotes. I'm sure there were reasons for making them as they are, but they aren't very obvious. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:08, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
:::I don't mind complicated rules, as long as I know them :P --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:28, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
:::: Well said :-) -- [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 15:35, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

== Welcome to the [[BW:USERTYPES|Order of the Mop]] ==

'''You are now empowered with administrator privileges'''. That means you get to [[Mop Boy|mop on a more formal basis]]! You know the ropes, but be sure to dive through the various [[BW:IS|policies]] to (re)familiarize yourself as needed. Congratulations! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:02, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
:Congrats, Catrope! :-) -- [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 14:45, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks both. I'd also like to thank everyone who supported my RFA, I hope not to disappoint you and make a good mop. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:47, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
::: Congrats :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:51, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
::: Congrats! :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 16:07, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
:::: And your also an admin on [[frakr:Main Page|Wiki Frakr]] as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 16:35, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
:::::Thanks. The [[frakr:]] interwiki binding currently points to en.frakr.com, which should be wiki.frakr.com. I can't figure out how to change this through [[Special:Interwiki]], or is that a bureaucrat's privilege? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:38, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
::::::I saw that myself and fixed it. LOL :-) As for the privs for the interwiki, it's just Shane and I who have those privs for now. Actually, they're not part of the bureaucrat rights level, but have their own rights level. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 16:42, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
::::::I doubt I would ever give those out because it allows database access. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 03:16, 2 August 2007 (CDT)
Congrats Catrope! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 21:15, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

== Template Doc ==

If you are going to output the tmeplate on the template page it self, you gotta add a check to make sure it doesn't add to the categories if it has any. Otherwise they go in the category of items where it should not be. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:18, 3 August 2007 (CDT)
:Right, didn't think of that. Thanks for the heads-up. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:22, 3 August 2007 (CDT)