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Good idea, very useful. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 05:36, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | Good idea, very useful. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 05:36, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:Found a good place to use it. That template or table that was used for the Heavy Radier was.. well.. ugly. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 05:41, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | :Found a good place to use it. That template or table that was used for the Heavy Radier was.. well.. ugly. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 05:41, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
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:I changed "function" to "role", and "side" to "race" (Pegasus and Galactica weren't exactly on the same "side", once upon a time). I made direct substitutions in the template, but now the boxes are showing up wrong. Why?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:57, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | :I changed "function" to "role", and "side" to "race" (Pegasus and Galactica weren't exactly on the same "side", once upon a time). I made direct substitutions in the template, but now the boxes are showing up wrong. Why?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:57, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
::Nevermind, I figured it out.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:58, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ::Nevermind, I figured it out.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:58, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::I don't really like "Race" here. Any other ideas? Nationality, maybe? --[[User: | :::I don't really like "Race" here. Any other ideas? Nationality, maybe? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:18, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::Well it's better than "side". I used it as a placeholder. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:30, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ::::Well it's better than "side". I used it as a placeholder. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:30, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::Okay, so any other ideas? I think "nationality" is easily more appropriate than "race", even if it's still not great. --[[User: | :::::Okay, so any other ideas? I think "nationality" is easily more appropriate than "race", even if it's still not great. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:25, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::I kept eyeing it when I was changing the other wordings; I couldn't do better. Rejected '''candidates''': side, allegiance, species, used by, designed by --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 15:49, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ::::I kept eyeing it when I was changing the other wordings; I couldn't do better. Rejected '''candidates''': side, allegiance, species, used by, designed by --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 15:49, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::: Idea: '''Operator''' --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:52, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ::::: Idea: '''Operator''' --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:52, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::: Dislike. --[[User: | :::::: Dislike. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:53, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::: Well, the autonomous raiders cause a problem: technically, they aren't so much operated as... well, not.--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 16:04, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | :::::: Well, the autonomous raiders cause a problem: technically, they aren't so much operated as... well, not.--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 16:04, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::I think that "Used by" is the least bad of those, FWIW. Maybe "Utilized by"? --[[User: | :::::I think that "Used by" is the least bad of those, FWIW. Maybe "Utilized by"? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:53, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::::Another idea with '''Utilized''' (for "type" instead of "Type".... '''Built'''. My mind is going blank. :-P --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 16:00, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ::::::Another idea with '''Utilized''' (for "type" instead of "Type".... '''Built'''. My mind is going blank. :-P --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 16:00, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::::I could live with "Utilized by," but I would note that non-Cylons have at least twice utilized Cylon vehicles and the Cylons could be interpreted to have utilized the Olympic Carrier. On those grounds, I'd prefer "Built by." --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 16:04, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | :::::::I could live with "Utilized by," but I would note that non-Cylons have at least twice utilized Cylon vehicles and the Cylons could be interpreted to have utilized the Olympic Carrier. On those grounds, I'd prefer "Built by." --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 16:04, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
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::::I do not use MA as a "research" tool unless I am looking something up on Star Trek. Wikipedia is my main source for online Enyclypiedia. Plus my photographic memeory servers me pretty well. The reason "race" appears on MA is because in Star Trek there are more than one race... Humans, Vulcuns, etc. Here was have humans and machines. Last time I checked out discussions on this wiki we refer to the Cylons as innamite objects and I have yet to see an Alien on BSG. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:36, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ::::I do not use MA as a "research" tool unless I am looking something up on Star Trek. Wikipedia is my main source for online Enyclypiedia. Plus my photographic memeory servers me pretty well. The reason "race" appears on MA is because in Star Trek there are more than one race... Humans, Vulcuns, etc. Here was have humans and machines. Last time I checked out discussions on this wiki we refer to the Cylons as innamite objects and I have yet to see an Alien on BSG. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:36, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::MA is a research tool on the design of a good fan wiki; it behooves one to learn from others' experience. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 15:49, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | :::::MA is a research tool on the design of a good fan wiki; it behooves one to learn from others' experience. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 15:49, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::"Side" just sounds clunky to me. --[[User: | :::"Side" just sounds clunky to me. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:29, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::I could hjave used another word, but when doing design, you want it to be very simple. That's why I choose Side in the first place. Simple. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:31, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ::::I could hjave used another word, but when doing design, you want it to be very simple. That's why I choose Side in the first place. Simple. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:31, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::I appreciate that. I hope you also appreciate our attempts to refine the terminology. --[[User: | :::::I appreciate that. I hope you also appreciate our attempts to refine the terminology. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:34, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::::No problem in this department. I had the template created for such a long time and no one ever commented on it, I thought it was OK. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:37, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ::::::No problem in this department. I had the template created for such a long time and no one ever commented on it, I thought it was OK. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:37, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::::You only ''implemented'' it today. That's why I never commented on it; it wasn't "finished" yet, so I didn't make complaints. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:39, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | :::::::You only ''implemented'' it today. That's why I never commented on it; it wasn't "finished" yet, so I didn't make complaints. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:39, 8 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
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===Consensus=== | ===Consensus=== | ||
Any objections to switching to "utilized by" until we can think of something better? --[[User: | Any objections to switching to "utilized by" until we can think of something better? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:39, 10 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
:"Affiliation"? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:05, 14 April 2006 (CDT) | :"Affiliation"? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:05, 14 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
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:I concur. They look bad in the page proper. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 11:24, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | :I concur. They look bad in the page proper. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 11:24, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ||
::Well it's mostly info from Scifi.com, but yeah. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:04, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ::Well it's mostly info from Scifi.com, but yeah. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:04, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::Just a friendly reminder from the citation fairy to note sources on dimensions at the bottom of the article. --[[User: | :::Just a friendly reminder from the citation fairy to note sources on dimensions at the bottom of the article. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:36, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ||
::So I guess I will jup in and make some changes to the template. Don't be alarmed. We going to have to goto each page and add the extra "info" tabs so the template isn't messy. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:17, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ::So I guess I will jup in and make some changes to the template. Don't be alarmed. We going to have to goto each page and add the extra "info" tabs so the template isn't messy. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:17, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::Nevermind. Solved that problem. Check out [[Colonial One]] for a update with the new template. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:37, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | :::Nevermind. Solved that problem. Check out [[Colonial One]] for a update with the new template. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:37, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::Class just came up because I saw it on the [[Colonial One]] page, but I added it jsut to see how it might look, maybe. The wingspan is used in the Viper pages, that's why I had it there, and a good reason to keep it width usually means the "frame". Wingspan means from wing to wing, if there are wings, which both the [[Viper (RDM)]]/[[Cylon Raider]] do. Not many though. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:07, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | :::Class just came up because I saw it on the [[Colonial One]] page, but I added it jsut to see how it might look, maybe. The wingspan is used in the Viper pages, that's why I had it there, and a good reason to keep it width usually means the "frame". Wingspan means from wing to wing, if there are wings, which both the [[Viper (RDM)]]/[[Cylon Raider]] do. Not many though. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:07, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ||
==Images== | ==Images== | ||
I'd like to simply not have the image at top if none is available, rather than using the large question mark over the starfield. As for additional images, rather than link them through the template, why not use the gallery extension like on Cloud 9? --[[User: | I'd like to simply not have the image at top if none is available, rather than using the large question mark over the starfield. As for additional images, rather than link them through the template, why not use the gallery extension like on Cloud 9? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:44, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ||
:Would have to see how that works inside a template. The problem is an "array" seems it have problems, but I can look into it. On the questionmark issue, we do it with otherthings. I don't see it as a major problem. Really minor. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:15, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | :Would have to see how that works inside a template. The problem is an "array" seems it have problems, but I can look into it. On the questionmark issue, we do it with otherthings. I don't see it as a major problem. Really minor. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:15, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ||
::tried the gallery tag. Because the gallery needs to be on it's own line it formats wrong. I would need the gallery.php file so I can work on it myself, so I could fit it up. Joe, do you know where you got it or can you send it to my email? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:27, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ::tried the gallery tag. Because the gallery needs to be on it's own line it formats wrong. I would need the gallery.php file so I can work on it myself, so I could fit it up. Joe, do you know where you got it or can you send it to my email? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:27, 18 May 2006 (CDT) | ||