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== 6 months? ==

I thought I heard "Is that what you two have been doing out here for the last '''six months'''?" (following by something about philosophical debates and not having that luxury in time of war) from Cain on Colonial One. 180 days is a lot, so I thought I would mention it instead of add it, since I might just have heard incorrectly. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:34, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:See [[Resurrection Ship, Part I#Analysis]]. Her comment cannot possibly be correct, but on the other hand, she was speaking in haste and might have been exagerating for dramatic effect. Pegasus and Resurrection Ship almost certainly take place three months and change since the attack. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 23:23, 7 January 2006 (EST)

Further, in "[[Final Cut]]" D'Anna Biers states that Col. Tigh was in command of Galactica for "over a week"--->which is from "Scattered" to "Resistance" (maybe "The Farm").  I'm going to be liberal with this and say that was 13 days at most (obviously, this is probably not this case).  Theorizing here:  We know that Col. Tigh took command on Day 51 (on screen Fact), and that may have been in "command" for at most 14 days-->Resistance takes place on Day 65ish.  Cally is given 30 days in the brig, gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix" which begins on Day 85ish then.  Now, RDM did say that "weeks" pass during Flight of the Phoenix, which we always interpretted as "at least two weeks".  In the same episode, Roslin is told that she has one month (30 days), ''tops'', to live.  "Pegasus" could have occured right after this.  Anyway, "Epiphanies" now says that it takes place on Day 189?  Okay, subtract 14 days for the two weeks Six was gone; that's 175.  At LEAST two days pass during the Cain trilogy; so 173.  --->When does "Flight of the Phoenix" end? That's the question.  Well, subtract 30 from 173 and we get 143.  You know, no matter how many ways I look at it, I'm suspecting they're trying to pull a full-blown '''retcon''' on us, because they're apparently saying that "Flight of the Phoenix" from beginning to end lasted '''two months'''.  '''We know as stated fact that the Presidential elections are taking place on Day 222''' (give or take a week).  So unless in an episode stated to take place 30 days from now, there is an election, this is just one of the biggest goofs we've ever had.  Thoughts?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:13, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:Yes, that's where it stands. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:37, 21 January 2006 (EST)

::Who says FOTP didn't take 2 months? They were building a frakking ship from scratch, after all. Granted, its the biggest leap we've seen in a single episode, but is there evidence to the contrary?  --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 20:01, 21 January 2006 (EST)
:::Yes. Roslin gets her one-month prognosis ''before'' Cally's release from the brig, which we can firmly date. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:39, 21 January 2006 (EST)

::Also, remember that Laura was '''''starting''''' her education-related tour thingee 189 days before Ephiphanies. I am pretty sure that she was almost ENDING it during the miniseries. So, I think we can safely say that Ephiphanies is not happening on day 189, but rather, before it. Granted, its probably not more than a week or two, but that week could be what we're missing to make the timeline coherent.   --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 20:01, 21 January 2006 (EST) 
:::In his podcast, Moore states the the flashback scenes were meant to take place in between Roslin's diagnosis and her departure for Galactica, which was all in the span of one day. He admits that the timeline has to be fudged a bit to get Baltar and Six on the scene, but it was a very short time span. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:39, 21 January 2006 (EST)

::Furthermore, however, I think that we're missing gaps that occur between episodes. For instance, is there evidence that KLG took place right after Colonial Day? We listed a one day gap, but what are we basing that on? There could be a week gap there and we wouldn't know it.
:::There is very firm evidence for all the first season dating, including Colonial Day and Kobol's Last Gleaming. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:39, 21 January 2006 (EST)

::I think we need to list the things we DO know (colonial day takes place on day 47, there is a 30 day gap between resistance and the beginning of FOTP, and Ephiphanies takes place in the 180 day range, etc.) and then rebuild the timeline from there, working in reasonable gaps. We are saying that there are continuity errors due to Ephiphanies, but I doubt RDM would make a blunder like that. We just think there is a continuity error because we've been speculating ao many dates and then taking them for fact. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 20:01, 21 January 2006 (EST)
:::I have been maintaining exactly such a list at the bottom of my lengthy discussion on the topic. I encourage you to read it fully. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:39, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:::Some might call this cavalier, but this is what I ''propose'' as what I would like:  Firstly, we're going to bludgeon Ron D. Moore's blog with questions about this until we get an answer (even of the "so what?  we made it up" variety, anything).  You see, BMS, I feel that we '''should not restructure the timeline based on "Epiphanies"'''.  We should point out in the Notes section of every following episode "This is so and so many days after "Epiphanies", however note that BattlestarWiki's timeline shows that it couldn't be this".  This is either a major blunder, a retcon, or both.  We're not basing it on "Colonial Day", we're basing it on "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II" which was the final day that we got a date on screen (Day 51).  KLG part I begins immediately after Colonial Day as you see that Starbuck got drunk at the party then had sex with Baltar in the following episode (she has the same dress, etc).  Simply;
:::*Kobol's Last Gleaming Part II through Valley of Darkness happen pretty much on the same day, Day 51.
:::*Colonel Tigh could not possibly have been in command of Galactica for a period of over two weeks. He was in command starting in "Scattered", until "Resistance", although possibly this could have extended until "The Farm". 
:::*Cally is given a sentence of 30 days in the brig in "The Farm" for shooting Boomer in "Resistance".  (we always assumed it mean 30 Days counting from when she was first arrested, not several days later when Adama sentenced her).  She gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix".
:::*Roslin is told later in Flight of the Phoenix that she has no more than one month to live.  That puts a MAXIMUM of 30 days between the END of Flight of the Phoenix and "Epiphanies".  We do know that Flight of the Phoenix DOES span a time period of WEEKS, we always assumed this was at least two.  Though I guess up to four would not be "unreasonable".  
:::*Adding them up, 51+14+30 = 90.  Flight of the Phoenix BEGINS at around at least Day 90 (although the SCENE with Roslin's diagnosis is after the scene when Cally gets out, I'm willing to fudge it and just say that scenes on different ships don't necessarily happen in order if they don't affect each other right away.  Fair enough).---->Thus, "Epiphanies" could not take place any later than Day 120, which is FOUR months, not Six (to quote Picard, "THERE...ARE...**FOUR**..." MONTHS!).  What are we supposed to believe, that Flight of the Phoenix lasted '''two months'''?  I mean the biggest "official" gap between episodes was the 10 day gap between The Hand of God and Colonial Day.
:::*Another big, "dumb question" I have:  If Pegasus-through-Epiphanies (within a few days of each other) is supposed to take place ''Six'' months after the Cylon attack, '''Why isn't Caprica-Boomer more visibly pregnant?!'''.  Her daughter was conceived a month after the attack, which would make her ''Five months pregnant'' in "Pegasus".  Yet in Pegasus, she's wearing a REALLY form fitting tank top in which she doesn't look noticeably pregnant at all.  Anyone else baffled by this?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 10:47, 22 January 2006 (EST)

::::Roslin's prognosis is updated very early in "Flight of the Phoenix", ''before'' Cally's release from the brig, so really it should be "a maximum of 30 days between the BEGINNING of Flight of the Phoenix" and "Epiphanies". As for Boomer, she looks about five months along in "Epiphanies", but certainly did not during the "Pegasus" trilogy. I think it's fairly obvious that we just have to write off the "lost" two months as a continuity glitch - there's certainly no use badgering RDM about it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:28, 22 January 2006 (EST)

::::Thanks, Peter. Thats what I really wanted to see, the dates that we know filled in with the dates we can speculate. It appears your right, there are 2 months missing. I didn't think that RDM would make such a huge blunder - If I were him, I would have written out all the dates George Lucas style - he had the entire Star Wars timeline from Anakin's birth to Luke's death planned out before he even released the first one back in 1977. I thought RDM, with his whole "naturalistic science fiction" crusade would have done the same. Way to frak it up, RDM. PS way to work in the Picard reference - great episode. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 15:33, 22 January 2006 (EST)
:::::No he didn't. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:30, 22 January 2006 (EST)
::::I just had another thought. Perhaps Roslins little tour lasted 2 months. If she was going to all 12 colonies, who knows? That might be the missing two months right there. Do we have a reference to the duration of that tour? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 15:36, 22 January 2006 (EST)

:::::See RDM's podcast for his thoughts on the duration of the flashbacks. They were originally intended to all take place in between Roslin's diagnosis and her departure for ''Galactica'', all on the same day. Note that her suit matches the one she arrived on Galactica wearing. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:43, 22 January 2006 (EST)

::::::Oooh yeah... you're right. Well, I guess RDM's really frakked himself on this one. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 19:36, 22 January 2006 (EST)

::::Very good observations, and I think we should try to pressure RDM about this, if possible.  He spouts so much rhetoric about keeping it believeable that we can't really let something like this slide.  However, I don't know about using the FotP "1 month" diagnosis as the ''main'' point of continuity criticism.  While it is true that Dr. Cottle has shown to be a very good doctor and his estimate is probably a well-informed one, it is still an ''estimate.''  This certainly wouldn't be the first time a patient lived longer than a doctor expected, and it won't be the last.  Despite decades of collecting data, cancer is still not very well understood by Earth doctors, and it follows that since the Galactica world is almost identical to ours in terms of medical technology (by design), cancer is not all that well understood there either. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 15:37, 22 January 2006 (EST)
:::::No.  In that episode he said he's be ''surprised'' if she lived a month.  They were down to a few weeks.  Jumping from that to saying "well she could have just lived two months and surprised everyone" is stretching it. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:30, 22 January 2006 (EST)
By the way, please try to read the discussion thread more carefully. As much as I don't care for Ricimer regurgitating my easily accessible notes, I'd still rather not be erroneously credited for his posts. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (EST)
:I'm as upset about this as you are.  I was developing my own thoughts, "thinking out loud" as it were, not "regurgitating" what you said (similarities are due to the fact that they share the same source material).  --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:30, 22 January 2006 (EST)

:I think we're all basically on the same page here, so there's no need to argue over who came up with what originally. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 17:37, 22 January 2006 (EST)

::Come on now, this is supposed to be a *happy* occassion.  Let's not ''bicker'' and ''argue'' about...who killed who...--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:55, 22 January 2006 (EST)

:::Yeah... we're all on the same page here. Perhaps we should add a note to the bottom of the timeline page about the missing two months? Right now, it jumps from day 86 to day 175 with no explanation. Well, I guess there IS no explanation, so we should add a note saying there is no explanation... if that makes sense. Also, sorry if I mixed up who said what, this page has become a little tough to follow. My apologies to Ricimer and April Arcus. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 19:47, 22 January 2006 (EST)

Speaking from experience, I have known two people (one relative, one relative of a close friend) with cancer who have been given the "surprised if you see out the month" speech from doctors only to survive 3 months and 18 months respectively. My point is that even the most experienced of doctors often have to make educated guesses and sometimes they don't get the figures quite right. Sometimes the cancer doesn't behave as expected or the progression through the body slows. Given what is shown of Roslyn from FOTP, Pegasus, Resurrection Ship to Epiphanies, I don't see a huge problem with her lasting the extra 60 or so days that  the timeline suggests. --[[User:Rexpop|rexpop]] 1:56, 26 January 2006 (EST)

:Thank you for your insight. On reflection, this does seem to be a plausible way to reconcile the time discrepancy. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:44, 26 January 2006 (EST)

:Your personal insight does not add further weight to your viewpoint.  I feel this violates the Citation crusade directly: unless they say directly on screen, in dialog, "wow, she lived longer than we thought", we should under no circumstances '''assume''' that she "just happened to live longer". Remember, this is a ''tv series'' where the writers are actually trying to inform they audience by stating facts on camera.  This is not a historical research paper where we are trying to find out when a real person died, and we're confused that a doctor's diagnosis notes say she would live shorter than we've been led to believe.  This is a tv series, and the writers were talking with us the audience in mind when they have Cottle on screen saying "you've got weeks, a month at the outside".  Note, at the "outside" chance, as in "a maximum of one month".  Thus, Rosl*I*n we must assume only had one month left. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 19:57, 26 January 2006 (EST)

::My only point is that of all the known information, Roslin's prognosis is the only thing that it is even ''possible'' to fudge. Whether or not one wishes to do so is a matter of personal interpretation. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:42, 26 January 2006 (EST)

::Ricimer is just dead wrong there.  If you listen to RDM he constantly talks about how his characters are living in a realistic world and are fallible.  If you take that to its logical conclusion, then Cottle is just making his best guess as to what her prognosis is.  He gives an estimate of how long she has, but, like any real doctor, he might have been wrong.  An outside chance of one month doesn't rule out something longer than one month (he just probably wouldn't have bet money on it).  And even if you went back to Cottle and he said, "She'll die within 20 days, guaranteed," one man's personal belief won't change the facts, and it looks like she lived longer than that one month.  --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 02:59, 26 February 2006 (EST)

:::It is irrational of you to disagree with Ricimer.  And frankly your line of thinking rings of [[Wikipedia:Truthiness|Truthiness]]: it is not "one man's OPINION"; he is a DOCTOR, his prognosis was based on science and fact.  Next, it was obviously a case of the writers essentially breaking the fourth wall, to announce to the audience, "she has one month to live".  Finally, the amount of time that we believe was lost was on the order of ''Three Months''.  It would be impossible, given the script, for Roslin to inexplicably live for four months when the medical prognosis was that she would live for one month ''at most''.  Further, it does not explain the sudden shift in Caprica-Sharon's pregnancy; how she goes from not-visibly pregnant in "Pegasus" to suddenly very pregnant:  if "Downloaded" supposedly takes place when she is eight months pregnant, and in Res Ship they say that six months have passed, making her 5 months pregnant all of a sudden?  Even when she was wearing a tank top and stuff?  Regardless, suddenly going from a "one month at best" prognosis, to "well, turns out it was four months", is a ''fantasy''.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:32, 26 February 2006 (EST)

::::It's not irrational.  It is one man's opinion, a doctor's for sure, but that still doesn't change the fact that he's making a best guess based on the information at hand.  Going by yours and Ricimer's line of reasoning, then in the context of this show, a doctor's guesses are always right, that they do not make mistakes.  But doctors do occasionally make misdiagnoses, give incorrect prognosises and make mistakes.   I admit that it is a long shot that she could last four months after a one month prognosis, but it doesn't rule out that it couldn't happen.  I understand that, by throwing out the one month prognosis in dialogue, the writers are trying to give us clues in the timeline, but the one month prognosis doesn't jive and I think that this is the best way to account for that three month gap.  I personally think that they threw that line out there in writing anzd, as we have seen, they haven't been playing as close attention to the timeline as they should.  And in regards to the pregnancy, at 5 months she'll have a nice little bulge in her belly.  What I saw in Pegasus didn't really give any view of her belly area that was clear enough to know if she has a nice bulge ... unfortunately, I don't have a copy of "Resurrection Ship, pt I" to go back and take a look the exam scene right now which might clear things up.  Oh, and thanks for the catch on the timeline for "Downloaded" BTW.  You're right that 270 is the birthdate.  --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 15:10, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:::::Actually, if you can see Pegasus and Res Ship again it's ridiculous; she's wearing a tight fitting tank top and doesn't look pregnant at all. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:41, 2 March 2006 (CST)

==Duration of Home, Part I==

What's the basis for the recent dating for Home, Part I?  I mean in terms of quotes or something I missed.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:16, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:I don't know. It would probably be best to consider it in three parts with The Farm and Home, Part II, since they all seem to pick up where the other leaves off. I've sort of held off on re-watching them longer than I should, since they aren't really my favorite episodes... --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:00, 8 January 2006 (EST)
::If we just "assumed" 2 days had passed, etc without evidence I think it should be replaced with ?? marks. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:38, 8 January 2006 (EST)
:::I agree, if there's no evidence, but let's give Kahran a chance to respond. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:41, 8 January 2006 (EST)

== Roslin's life expectancy after "Epiphanies" ==

Should we remove the "Roslin's maximum/minimum life expectancy" stat now that her cancer's been all but cured?
[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:58, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:I'd rather not. We didn't remove her older life expectancy from "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I" when the estimate was revised downward in "Flight of the Phoenix". Both data points might still be of interest to someone who's following the continuity of the show. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:04, 21 January 2006 (EST)

==When is the Presidential Election?==

Okay, "Res Ship, part I" and "Epiphanies" established that we are now 6 months after the Cylon attack.  (That's definately what they're *SAYING*, but I'm still saying how improbable it was and there must have been a lot of time passing in FotP).  

Regardless, in "[[Scar]]" 29 days pass.  Give a few as well for "Black Market" (do we know how many days pass in that?), and we'll call it an even "one month".  

6 months + 1 month = 7 months.  pollo stated in "Bastille Day" that they would hold elections in "seven months" when Roslin serves out President Adar's term.  So what's going on?  --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 03:11, 4 February 2006 (EST)

:RDM says the election will take place at the end of the season. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 03:18, 4 February 2006 (EST)

==Timing of Events of Black Market and later episodes==
The "matter of weeks" timing of Black Market after Epiphanies is thorny in terms of trying to figure out when it happens.  I'm estimating 3 weeks, hence 21 days.  If it was much longer, they could have said "a month" or "almost a month" or "more than a month", if it was shorter, it could be "just a week" or the like.  It could be a little more either way, but I put dates in estimating that much time (and noted as approximate).
--Wingsandsword

:Seven weeks is still "a matter of weeks". All we can say about the "black market" comment is that it was definitely less than two months, since after that point it becomes "a matter of months". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 03:38, 4 February 2006 (EST)

:::No Wingsandsword.  Here our standard is to leave it as ?? question marks, when such a large amount of time as ''one to two weeks'' is involve.d --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 03:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)

::::I don't see any policy to that effect anywhere here.  I've just checked, it's nowhere in the tutorials, nowhere in the few policies listed, nowhere I can find.  There is no style guide to this wiki making things like that standard that I can tell.  It might be ''your'' personal standard, but I don't see any official opinion or policy declaration that approximate dates have a specific margin of error, that beyond "x" certainty it goes from an approximate date to a completely unknown one.  An approximate date is a lot more useful than just "???".  We don't know when, hence it is listed as "~" days.  --[[User:Wingsandsword|Wingsandsword]] 13:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)

== The Ten Weeks thing in "Downloaded" ==

Just wanted to let you guys in on a little thing regarding this "Ten Weeks Ago" thing that popped up in "Downloaded"... I was contacted by a bona-fide member of the post-production crew on BSG.  While I can't get into specifics, since I didn't ask to do so, I can tell you folks that the production crew figured that the "Ten Weeks Ago" thing was a mistake (which came from the script) and this will be corrected in the home video releases and the international views to read "Ten Weeks After" (the attack).  It was the fan's outcry -- and the meticulous work done on this timeline -- that brought around this correction.  All our hard working contributors should be proud -- I know I am. Pretty frakkin' cool, huh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 2 March 2006 (CST)
:It is pretty cool, but "ten weeks after the attack" is still wrong - Sharon's death can't ''possibly'' have been any later than Day 57, ie, roughly eight weeks. Nor does it address the other issue in this episode - Three's statement that Kara was on Caprica "a couple weeks ago", while Caprica-Valerii wasn't even visibly pregnant yet; nor the 74 days which seem to have vanished into the ether between "Pegasus" and "Resurrection Ship". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:18, 2 March 2006 (CST)
:: FYI, I've mailed the person in question your comments. I'm interested to see what happens with this.  I'll keep you folks posted. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:39, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:::I was going to chime in on this myself: Our entire timeline supports the idea that it could not have been Day 70 (ten weeks); that was around Home, Part II.  Would you guys agree that "8 weeks after" would be a good working figure?  (I mean "weeks" leaves it "fuzzy around the edges", as it were, giving some 2-3 day stretch time, no need to get exact.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:10, 3 March 2006 (CST)

== Flight Of The Phoenix Chronology Note ==
I'm sorry to say that the whole Chronology Note on this episode has several errors in it that need correcting. Rather than edit it myself, I'm starting this thread so that there is some agreement on what it is edited to. I rewatched 'Flight of the Phoenix' the other weekend from the Season 2.0 DVD set and the order of events in the episode is: 

1) Caly gets released from the Brig 
2) Tyrol starts building the backbird 
3) Laura gets her one month to live diagnosis 
4) Galactica routs Cylon attack 
5) Tyrol completes the Blackbird. 

So the statement that Laura's diagnosis happended before Caly was released from the brig is wrong. And there is no indication that the scene happened in flashback either. It's possible that they re-edited the episode for the DVD but I haven't seen a posting to indicate that this happened. So I would suggest that this note is removed and the episode timeline entry corrected to break out the 5 events, as they did occur on seperate days over a three month period. --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 15:38, 3 March 2006 (CST)

:Thank you; I was running off of some back information from someone else, but upon viewing a transcript at GalacticaStation, it appears that Roslin is givern her diagnosis AFTER Cally returns; this is great, and a lot simpler; now it just means that months pass between these two scenes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:36, 3 March 2006 (CST)

::To clear things up I've tidied up the section for this episode. I've broken out the events as happening on different days and moved the chronology note to the notes section for further cleaning up. I've also indicated that the day of Cally's release is approximate as we don't have a firm date from when the 30 days starts from. Hopefully this will help keep the timeline fairly clean. and clear --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 21:33, 3 March 2006 (CST)

== Fine Tuning "Black Market" Through "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" ==

I know that we've been able to pin the start date of "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" to be around Day 270, but I think it we might be able to further fine tune that number to be more like Day 276.  Going forward from "Epiphanies," the timeline is as follows:
* At least two days pass in "Epiphanies" putting the earliest start date for the events in "Black Market" to be around Day 191.
* At least one day passes in "Black Market," which means that the mining operations in "Scar" could not start until Day 192 at the earliest.  Since the mining ops in "Scar" take 29 days, [[Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar ''Galactica'']] could not return to the fleet until Day 221 at the earliest.
* The return of [[Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar ''Galactica'']] to the fleet means that the events of "Sacrifice" could not begin until Day 221.
* Lee's recovery from the shooting in "Sacrifice" has lasted "almost a month."  If we assume this is longer than three weeks and less than a month, around 25 days, then the starting date for "The Captain's Hand" would be around Day 246.
* In "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" the moderator of the debate states that Baltar announced his candidacy one month ago (in "The Captain's Hand"), putting the the beginning of the episode at around Day 276.
It's six days, I know, but I think with the information at hand we can reliably date the timline for the final stretch of the season.  Any thoughts, other information I'm missing?  --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 14:39, 7 March 2006 (CST)

:I agree.  If we look at Starbuck's SAR, how can it take them 10 days to jump from the Fleet to Caprica and only one day to jump back?  If we put "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" at Day 276, that would seem a little more likely (ie, four days of Jumps and calculations to get there, one day to get back).  --[[User:Bahamut|Bahamut]] 04:00, 12 March 2006 (EST)

::It still doesn't take care of some of the consistencies in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I," though.  Right before the debates Six says it will be two weeks before the election, yet in the briefing room right before the first debate Lee says they're listening in to see what they are looking forward to over the next 5 days, either meaning that the debates are only going to last 5 days or the SAR mission is going to last 5 days, yet after the last debate, the announcer says the election will be in three days and the SAR mission hasn't returned home yet (and yes, the SAR mission did run a day long, so I think it ran 6 days, while the debates ran 5.  The 5 day format makes sense to me ... 1 day for debate, 1 day for rest, 1 day for second debate, 1 day for rest, 1 day for final debate) --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 23:38, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:::Something which just ocurred to me - the "three days away" comment explicitly refers to the polls ''opening''. Perhaps the "two weeks away" comment refers to them ''closing''. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 23:42, 12 March 2006 (CST)

::::Maybe, but Six explicitly says the "election" is two weeks away ... I think it might be that there's a good 7 days or so between the close of the debates and the actual election.  That would mean the SAR team would get back from Caprica around Day 282 and you'd have a week for the action to play out of Rosalin coming to Baltar, Anders and Thrace and Lee, etc.  If no-one has any other major inputs, I'll go ahead and edit the S2.5 timeline to reflect these changes. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 00:18, 13 March 2006 (CST)

:::::Please don't. We're very explicitly told that the final debate was three days before the polls open, when McManus says "This concludes the cycle of the debates for the presidency. The polls will be open in three days." --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:56, 13 March 2006 (CST)

::::::Sorry, wasn't clear about what I'd proposed the edit on ... it would be for the stretch between Epiphanies and Lay Down Your Burdens I&II (the timeline I wrote out above).  The timline for Lay Down Your Burdens I&II would remain intact, just shifted down by by 6 days.  --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 01:44, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:::::::I'm confused. I thought it was pretty clear that the LDYB timeline I posted is based on a rough estimate of Baltar's "nine months" comment. There should be about two weeks of wiggle room on either side. I don't think we've even tried to link it up conclusively to Epiphanies yet, which will be a complicated challenge. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:50, 14 March 2006 (CST)

::::::::I'm confused as to what you're confused about ... with the information at hand we can reasonably date the timeline from Ephiphanies through LDYB ... I don't see a good place to put the proposed edit here, so I can put it on my talk page for you to look at.  --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 23:09, 15 March 2006 (CST)

:::::::::I'll be interested to see your argument. I don't believe we currently have enough information to do that conclusively. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 23:30, 15 March 2006 (CST)

::::::::::Neither do I. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:57, 15 March 2006 (CST)

:::::::::::It's up on my talk area if you want to look now.  --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 14:05, 22 March 2006 (CST)

===Issues with LindyChef's Analysis===
:''Link: [[User_talk:LindyChef#Example_of_proposed_edit_for_the_RDM_Timeline_page_for_s2.5]]''
*How can Resurrection Ship Parts 1 & 2 be firmly dated? All we know is that at the ''latest'', Gina and Baltar last spoke 14 days prior to epiphanies. What else constrains these events?
*What's the motivation for placing "Black Market" mere days after Epiphanies? There's no reason this couldn't be the case, of course. 
*As I discussed above, isn't it possible that the asteroid mining operations were already underway during "Black Market"?

Thanks for your work on this thus far. I look forward to your reply. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:31, 22 March 2006 (CST)