Editing Talk:Louis Hoshi/Archive 1

== Delete Notification ==

As this character was neither mentioned nor seen on screen, we must assume that "Hoshi" may have been a character that existed in very early drafts of "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" or may have been a character whose scenes were completely removed. 

Thus, given that there is also no actor or actress listed for this character, I must assume that this entry is without worth and I have tagged it for deletion.  

Since I know there is some debate over this page, I have decided that I will make the final decision on Monday, October 10th, since I do have a lingering question regarding the last edit by [[User:Kahran|Kahran]], in particular the comparison to Gaeta in terms of duties (as well as the question of gender classification): Kahran, where is the source to this information?  

Kahran, if you can provide a source to this data that is verifiable, then I may keep the page online. Sources include URLs andscans of periodicals.  So if this information can be provided, please post it on ''this'' talk page, and '''not''' on mine. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:36, 5 October 2005 (EDT)

: It says right at the bottom of the [http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2005/10/firstdetailsonthecaptainsh.shtml GateWorld] preview for the episode [[The Captain's Hand]], and I quote: "Guest characters include ...'''Hoshi''' ''(the Pegasus's version of Lt. Gaeta)''..."
-- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:57, 6 October 2005 (EDT)

== Older Discussion ==

Didn't Star Trek Enterprise have a petty officer named Hoshi, too?[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 16:47, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)

: Yes, actually... [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Hoshi_Sato Here's the entry at Memory Alpha.] Ironically, she is played by Linda Park, an Asian SF actress. No direct relation to Grace Park, however. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:42, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)

:: should we ad this reference on the Episode Page. [[User:QX100|QX100]] 12:33, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

No.  Linda Park was Japanese, Grace Park is Korean.  These are two distinct things.  That, and Lt. Hoshi on Enterpise was a complete non-entity, as were all of the other supporting characters.  ---Ricimer, 17 Sept, 2005

Was this guy actually in the episode? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:43, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

:Well, they didn't walk around and say the name of each of ''Pegasus' '' CIC crew, but it could have been the unamed tactical officer, or someone else.  They might turn up in later episodes ---Ricimer, 24, Sept 2005

::I don't know why we should have an article for a character without a mention ''or'' an actor. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:55, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
***Then you shouldn't concern yourself about such articles. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:04, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
::::Perhaps you might try to enlighten me. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:06, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

::::: Seeing no reason to have articles about characters without mention or actor/-ress, isn't a good reason to ignore the creation of such articles. I mean--there's never a mention of Petty Officer Luke Skywalker. Neither do we know who plays his part. Maybe we should make a page about him, too. That example is a bit extreme, perhaps, but there's no source cited for this and, as a member of the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]], I'd like to see one. I think this page should go. Also, I still find the use of bullets rather than tabs to be disruptive formatting, which is to say it distracts my eye from reading the words, rather than helping. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:35, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

who said that linda park is japanese? park is a distinctly korean name.

Both Linda Park and Grace Park are South Korean actresses.  Ensign Hoshi from ENT was a Japanese character.
:'[[User:Jzanjani|Jzanjani]] 08:15, 6 October 2005 (EDT)'
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 Kahran, if you can provide a source to this data that is verifiable, then I may keep the page online. Sources include URLs andscans of periodicals.  So if this information can be provided, please post it on ''this'' talk page, and '''not''' on mine. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:36, 5 October 2005 (EDT)
-: It says right at the bottom of the [http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2005/10/firstdetailsonthecaptainsh.shtml GateWorld] preview for the episode [[The Captain's Hand]], and I quote: "Guest characters include ...'''Hoshi''' ''(the Pegasus's version of Lt. Gaeta)''..." -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:57, 6 October 2005 (EDT)
+: It says right at the bottom of the [http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2005/10/firstdetailsonthecaptainsh.shtml GateWorld] preview for the episode [[The Captain's Hand]], and I quote: "Guest characters include ...'''Hoshi''' ''(the Pegasus's version of Lt. Gaeta)''..."
+-- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:57, 6 October 2005 (EDT)
-:: Yes, I saw this after I read "[[The Captain's Hand]]" page.  However, you also need to cite this as a source on the [[Hoshi]] article as well... and since it qualifies as spoilerific information, you need to use the {{tl|spoiltext}} tag. (I've already corrected this issue for you, so you don't need to correct this instance.) Thanks! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:04, 6 October 2005 (EDT)
-::: Er, forgive my ignorance, but what the heck is Gateworld? I mean--how reliable are they as a source? Are they connected in some capacity to RDM or Universal or the SciFi Channel or something? I mean--citing sources is great, but part of the point is that they be ''reliable'' sources. Forgive me if I am calling foul on an acceptable source. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:21, 6 October 2005 (EDT)
-::::They're a stargate fansite that occasionally posts BSG spoilers. They've been fairly accurate in the past, but I agree that the intersection between spoiler "sources" and regular episode sources is problematic. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:08, 6 October 2005 (EDT)
-I still think this article should go. Are we waiting for the extended version to come out on DVD (i.e. another half-season and some?) or has this merely dropped from the radar? The way I see it, if some Hoshi shows up in the ''Pegasus'' CIC in ''[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]'' or ''[[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]'', we could always re-create the article. As it stands, I think it should go. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:43, 2 January 2006 (EST)
-:Agree. I do think we should give Kahran or another interested party 24 hours to defend its existance, though. Tagging for deletion. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:37, 2 January 2006 (EST)
 == Older Discussion ==
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 No.  Linda Park was Japanese, Grace Park is Korean.  These are two distinct things.  That, and Lt. Hoshi on Enterpise was a complete non-entity, as were all of the other supporting characters.  ---Ricimer, 17 Sept, 2005
-Was this guy actually in the episode? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:43, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
+Was this guy actually in the episode? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:43, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
 :Well, they didn't walk around and say the name of each of ''Pegasus' '' CIC crew, but it could have been the unamed tactical officer, or someone else.  They might turn up in later episodes ---Ricimer, 24, Sept 2005
-::I don't know why we should have an article for a character without a mention ''or'' an actor. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:55, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
+::I don't know why we should have an article for a character without a mention ''or'' an actor. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:55, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
 ***Then you shouldn't concern yourself about such articles. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:04, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
-::::Perhaps you might try to enlighten me. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:06, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
+::::Perhaps you might try to enlighten me. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:06, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
 ::::: Seeing no reason to have articles about characters without mention or actor/-ress, isn't a good reason to ignore the creation of such articles. I mean--there's never a mention of Petty Officer Luke Skywalker. Neither do we know who plays his part. Maybe we should make a page about him, too. That example is a bit extreme, perhaps, but there's no source cited for this and, as a member of the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]], I'd like to see one. I think this page should go. Also, I still find the use of bullets rather than tabs to be disruptive formatting, which is to say it distracts my eye from reading the words, rather than helping. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:35, 3 October 2005 (EDT)
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 Both Linda Park and Grace Park are South Korean actresses.  Ensign Hoshi from ENT was a Japanese character.
-:''[[User:Jzanjani|Jzanjani]] 08:15, 6 October 2005 (EDT)''
+:'[[User:Jzanjani|Jzanjani]] 08:15, 6 October 2005 (EDT)'
-== Rank ==
-Is there an authoritative source for the rank? The enlisted Hoshi being an equivalent in duties to the commissioned Gaeta seems thoroughly odd. Of course, if it's canon, the oddity stands, but it seems weird enough to merit complete certainty. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:37, 1 January 2006 (EST)
-: As far as I can tell there's not even an authoritative source on this ''character'', let alone his/her rank. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:36, 2 January 2006 (EST)
-Reopening this line of questioning - it's clear that his role is closer to Dualla's than Gaeta. Dee is enlisted, Gaeta is comissioned - which is Hoshi? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 23:17, 23 February 2006 (EST)
-== Update ==
-Hoshi is listed in the closing credits for Resurrection SHip part 1.  He also briefly appears on the Pegasus bridge.  I'm going to upload a pic of him along with appropriate template character information.--Ltcrashdown 17:53, 8 January 2006 (EST)
-:We don't know which one was him.  The actor's IMDB page doesn't give a photo.  There are ''two'' crewmen in the Pegasus CIC that talk (I think he's the black man standing in front of the radar display, as opposed to the older white man sitting at a console, but I don't know for sure). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:31, 8 January 2006 (EST)
-== Confirmed ==
-We had trouble finding out if Hoshi was one of two Pegasus CIC officers who both had speaking lines, the black one or the white one; he is confirmed as the white in one "Captain's Hand" when he is referred to directly by name. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:32, 17 February 2006 (EST)
-== Appearances ==
-Actually, I do believe that Hoshi can be seen in the entire Cain trilogy.  I'm pretty sure that we see himin Pegasus CIC when Cain has her phone call standoff with Adama (he's the guy with the...it looks like a Romulan hair cut). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 01:48, 24 February 2006 (EST)
-:Would this be him? It's from right after Cain says, "Launch the Vipers" at the end of Pegasus around 44:50. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:11, 24 February 2006 (EST)
-[[File:Hoshi pegasus.JPG|thumb|Possibly Hoshi? ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])]]
-Is it just me or is Hoshi doing communications on Galactica in "The Passage". The scene where they wait for Kat's Raptor to appear on Dradis. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:42, 9 December 2006 (CST)
-And let's not forget Razor. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)