Editing Talk:Karl Agathon/Archive 1

==Callsign==

Has anyone else ever wondered why Sharon never calls Helo "Karl"? It seems to me like an emotional detatchement in her that nobody is recognizing (the characters) [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 19:33, October 17, 2005 (EDT)

:Galactica-Boomer always called Tyrol "Chief", never "Galen". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:22, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

::RDM explained this in the blog:  we've never heard Tyrol called Galen out loud before this episode, "I am Galen Tyrol! My father was a priest!...", etc.  Only people who read the blog would know his name; casual viewers would not.  He said it would have sounded odd and ruined the dramatic moment, and I'm inclined to agree. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:55, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

::See, what I'd say to that is that on the Galactica, Sharon and Tyrol were trying to maintain a modicum of professional detachment, at least publicly.  It was probably helpful to be in the practice of calling him "Chief" so something else didn't slip out in public (first name).  But with Helo, I don't see any reasons why she should see a barrier to familiarity.  Heck, she's carrying his child. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 21:50, October 17, 2005 (EDT)

:::On ''Galactica'', pilots tend to call each other their callsigns more than their real names.  "Helo" *is* is his name to them. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:56, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

::: Well, some people don't like being called by their first names.  For instance, [[Wikipedia:Angus MacGyver|Angus MacGyver]] goes by "Mac" or "MacGyver", never by "Angus". Although on ''Galactica'' pilots do tend to be called by their callsigns. (Hence the term, "callsign", me thinks.)-- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:02, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: I agree with Ricimer. No one here calls me Ben. Even people I've known for years online who know my real name still call me Day. That's my ''name'' in this context. Similarly, Helo is Karl Agathon's name within the fraternity of pilots. This is probably Sharon (subconsciously?) signalling that she still wants to be part of that fraternity and Karl (also subconsciously?), by accepting that she calls him that, signaling that he thinks she should be allowed in, too.

:::: I guess, though, it doesn't need to work like that. Maybe it's significant that Sharon calls Karl "Helo" but he calls her "Sharon", signaling that she's not, really, a pilot. It would be interesting to see if Lee or Kara asked/told Sharon not to call them Apollo and Starbuck and/or if they seem to be making a point of never calling her Boomer. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:55, 27 December 2005 (EST)

== Another meaning behind Agathon ==

[[wikipedia:Agathon|Agathon]] was also the name of a ancient Greek poet.--[[User:Kross|Kross]] 14:59, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:I consulted my trusty "Character Naming Sourcebook" and while it does not have an "Agathon" it does have "Agaton" which means "Pure." -- [[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:20, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

:I think the poet is the most (only?) credible origin. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

::I concur, for what it's worth. I think the others bear inclusion if only because they'd likely be re-added less prettily anyway. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 23:18, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

== Regarding Raptor Analogies ==

'...I never really thought of the Raptor as a transport, I usually thought of it as analogous to the Navy's EA-6 Prowler (a variant of the A-6 Intruder popularized in "Flight of the Intruder")' -RDM at http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ (current entry, dated April 18th) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:29, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
:The part that will blow your mind is that *I* asked that question in the blog thread (about Starship Troopers) naught but 2 days ago (there is little rhyme or reason to how Ron pics questions for the blog from the message thread, but he tends to pic the most recent....which is why every 2-3 months I repost the 30 or so pretty good questions which have yet to be answered in one long list.  Hey, it beats that idiot who wondered if the Cylons somehow injected Caprica-Sharon full of human egg cells (Ron answered that....but I think only in disgust that someone thought something so wacky).  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:47, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
::That's actually quite hilarious. Anyway, I'll note the visual inspiration, which, upon reflection, that quote does not address. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 23:07, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

== Karl "C." Agathon ==
Apparently "C" [http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Gallery/Fun/CWWN/cwwn_12.JPG is for cookie]. That's good enough for me. (Just made me laugh. I think the "C" is still a mystery at this point).--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:41, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

==Rank==

Is it just me, or was Helo wearing Captain rank pins in [[Exodus, Part II]]? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:04, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

:It isn't just you... It's been clear that Helo was promoted to captain in [[AMOS]]. Indeed, you helped significantly on determining since when he's got the new rank. -- [[User:Infestans|Infestans]] 06:41, 16 November 2006 (GMT):
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 Has anyone else ever wondered why Sharon never calls Helo "Karl"? It seems to me like an emotional detatchement in her that nobody is recognizing (the characters) [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 19:33, October 17, 2005 (EDT)
-:Galactica-Boomer always called Tyrol "Chief", never "Galen". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:22, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
+:Galactica-Boomer always called Tyrol "Chief", never "Galen". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:22, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
 ::RDM explained this in the blog:  we've never heard Tyrol called Galen out loud before this episode, "I am Galen Tyrol! My father was a priest!...", etc.  Only people who read the blog would know his name; casual viewers would not.  He said it would have sounded odd and ruined the dramatic moment, and I'm inclined to agree. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:55, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
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 :I consulted my trusty "Character Naming Sourcebook" and while it does not have an "Agathon" it does have "Agaton" which means "Pure." -- [[User:AerynSun44|AerynSun44]] 22:20, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
-:I think the poet is the most (only?) credible origin. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:56, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
+:I think the poet is the most (only?) credible origin. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
 ::I concur, for what it's worth. I think the others bear inclusion if only because they'd likely be re-added less prettily anyway. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 23:18, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
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 :It isn't just you... It's been clear that Helo was promoted to captain in [[AMOS]]. Indeed, you helped significantly on determining since when he's got the new rank. -- [[User:Infestans|Infestans]] 06:41, 16 November 2006 (GMT):
-== Time for some cleanup ==
-It's really time to clean up this article. We need to stop using callsigns all the time (no reason to call Karl Agathon by his callsign—"Helo"—in the article), the only callsigns we should use in the article are for Boomer and Athena, if only to differentiate the two Sharons he's run into in his ''miserable'' life. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
-:Maybe some folks haven't read the appropriate [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions/Prose Standards and Conventions] section.  Perhaps some more explicit direction in that area could be helpful, too?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 05:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
-==BCE==
-Please, take note of [[Talk:Timeline_(RDM)#BCE_occurences|this issue]]. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 09:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)