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Can it be safe to assume that Cap City was attacked by a [[Wikipedia: Neutron bomb|neutron bomb]] instead of conventional nukes? Granted, the "landlord bomb" (neutron bombs kill people but don't destroy buildings) is largely a myth, but there is enough of a truth to it if they are used tactically. I'm assuming that the Cylons would have the know-how to use such weapons in the optimal manner.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 01:11, 20 January 2006 (EST) | Can it be safe to assume that Cap City was attacked by a [[Wikipedia: Neutron bomb|neutron bomb]] instead of conventional nukes? Granted, the "landlord bomb" (neutron bombs kill people but don't destroy buildings) is largely a myth, but there is enough of a truth to it if they are used tactically. I'm assuming that the Cylons would have the know-how to use such weapons in the optimal manner.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 01:11, 20 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:It's likely, and maybe even worth speculating about in-text (although I'd prefer that to be on [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] than here), but not okay to state as a definitive fact. --[[User: | :It's likely, and maybe even worth speculating about in-text (although I'd prefer that to be on [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] than here), but not okay to state as a definitive fact. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:22, 20 January 2006 (EST) | ||
::Nuclear weapons on the show appear to use ordinary Plutonium, and are not neutron bombs. And we see shock waves moving through the city briefly. What may confuse you is that we see Helo in cities that aren't destroyed: the Cylons destroyed most cities, such as Caprica City (the capital), but they ''intentionally spared'' a few cities like Delphi. Our educated guess is that they were spared so the Cylons could use them as military ground bases. But most of the cities on the planet have been destroyed. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13:25, 20 January 2006 (EST) | ::Nuclear weapons on the show appear to use ordinary Plutonium, and are not neutron bombs. And we see shock waves moving through the city briefly. What may confuse you is that we see Helo in cities that aren't destroyed: the Cylons destroyed most cities, such as Caprica City (the capital), but they ''intentionally spared'' a few cities like Delphi. Our educated guess is that they were spared so the Cylons could use them as military ground bases. But most of the cities on the planet have been destroyed. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13:25, 20 January 2006 (EST) | ||
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Caprica City <--8 days--> Unnamed City #1 <--11 days--> Unnamed City #2 <--8 days--> Unnamed rural area <--13 days--> Delphi Spaceport | Caprica City <--8 days--> Unnamed City #1 <--11 days--> Unnamed City #2 <--8 days--> Unnamed rural area <--13 days--> Delphi Spaceport | ||
Does anyone have any notion as to how much distance a fit man of Helo's build could cover in a single day? --[[User: | Does anyone have any notion as to how much distance a fit man of Helo's build could cover in a single day? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:51, 19 February 2006 (EST) | ||
:That's a pretty interesting/tricky [http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/ question]. Lots of variables. Under ideal conditions, a fit man could probably travel 50 miles in a single day pretty easily. Flat, smooth roads, plenty of water and food/energy would make 5mph for about 10 hours possible. I'm betting we're looking at less than ideal conditions for Helo though. Since this is an infantry situation, he'd probably want to avoid the roads ("linear danger areas", where enemies might approach quickly with little notice). Taking it offroad would considerably slow him down, most likely, especially if he is not familiar with the area. Also, we're not just talking about a single day, since whatever pace he is traveling must be spread out over almost a week. Also, considering that he's "behind enemy lines", his movement would likely be slowed by having to be cautious about being spotted, using/identifying cover, etc. And that's all assuming that he's got food/water on hand and doesn't need to spend time foraging for such things. Taking that all into account I'd think 10-15 miles a day would be a pretty admirable pace. Speaking from experience, I ended up running a marathon as a fit person who really hadn't done the proper training. I completed it, but could hardly walk straight (due to soreness, etc) for the next few days. You have piqued mine (and my wife's) curiousity on this topic, and we discussed the possibility of doing an experiment on this topic sometime. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:58, 19 February 2006 (EST) | :That's a pretty interesting/tricky [http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/ question]. Lots of variables. Under ideal conditions, a fit man could probably travel 50 miles in a single day pretty easily. Flat, smooth roads, plenty of water and food/energy would make 5mph for about 10 hours possible. I'm betting we're looking at less than ideal conditions for Helo though. Since this is an infantry situation, he'd probably want to avoid the roads ("linear danger areas", where enemies might approach quickly with little notice). Taking it offroad would considerably slow him down, most likely, especially if he is not familiar with the area. Also, we're not just talking about a single day, since whatever pace he is traveling must be spread out over almost a week. Also, considering that he's "behind enemy lines", his movement would likely be slowed by having to be cautious about being spotted, using/identifying cover, etc. And that's all assuming that he's got food/water on hand and doesn't need to spend time foraging for such things. Taking that all into account I'd think 10-15 miles a day would be a pretty admirable pace. Speaking from experience, I ended up running a marathon as a fit person who really hadn't done the proper training. I completed it, but could hardly walk straight (due to soreness, etc) for the next few days. You have piqued mine (and my wife's) curiousity on this topic, and we discussed the possibility of doing an experiment on this topic sometime. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:58, 19 February 2006 (EST) | ||
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::My curiosity is piqued, too. Worthy to add to the [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]] article, perhaps? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:12, 20 February 2006 (EST) | ::My curiosity is piqued, too. Worthy to add to the [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]] article, perhaps? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:12, 20 February 2006 (EST) | ||
:::I've been wanting to work on a "Geography of Caprica" article for a while, but haven't been able to get around to it. There might be enough material here to re-create the old Caprica (RDM) article with a blurb-and-link on The Twelve Colonies (RDM). --[[User: | :::I've been wanting to work on a "Geography of Caprica" article for a while, but haven't been able to get around to it. There might be enough material here to re-create the old Caprica (RDM) article with a blurb-and-link on The Twelve Colonies (RDM). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:30, 20 February 2006 (EST) | ||
:::: I've spent some time in my life backpacking. On one trip, we had a guy who, no kidding, counted his steps every day. ''While'' having conversations with us all and helping navigate, etc. No idea how he did it. Anyway, about half way through our ten-day trip, we figured out based on his counting, our total distances for each sayt, etc. that we were averaging roughly 3mph. That may seem slow, but we weren't trying to be fast, really, and were interested in looking at pretty scenery and stuff. This also included breaks for lunch and resting, so actual speed at a given moment was likely a bit higher. This was in the South Country of Philmont (which is in northern New Mexico), so not exactly flat and there were trails, but not roads much. | :::: I've spent some time in my life backpacking. On one trip, we had a guy who, no kidding, counted his steps every day. ''While'' having conversations with us all and helping navigate, etc. No idea how he did it. Anyway, about half way through our ten-day trip, we figured out based on his counting, our total distances for each sayt, etc. that we were averaging roughly 3mph. That may seem slow, but we weren't trying to be fast, really, and were interested in looking at pretty scenery and stuff. This also included breaks for lunch and resting, so actual speed at a given moment was likely a bit higher. This was in the South Country of Philmont (which is in northern New Mexico), so not exactly flat and there were trails, but not roads much. | ||
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I have a good-size compilation of facts relating to Caprica City that I could put in the article. I know that part of editing is being bold, but due to the number of facts I have I believe it would be best to have this request approved. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:01, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | I have a good-size compilation of facts relating to Caprica City that I could put in the article. I know that part of editing is being bold, but due to the number of facts I have I believe it would be best to have this request approved. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:01, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:Thanks for your caution. Why not post them here, along with your source? --[[User: | :Thanks for your caution. Why not post them here, along with your source? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:12, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::No problem. I'll get started right now. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:18, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ::No problem. I'll get started right now. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:18, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::This looks generally good. Was the "riverwalk" mentioned in dialog or an on-screen caption? --[[User: | :::This looks generally good. Was the "riverwalk" mentioned in dialog or an on-screen caption? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:53, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::The area where Number Six murders the infant was called "Riverwalk Market" in an on-screen caption in the Miniseries.--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:57, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ::::The area where Number Six murders the infant was called "Riverwalk Market" in an on-screen caption in the Miniseries.--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:57, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
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::::::::Won't put it in the article. Just thought it was interesting. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:10, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ::::::::Won't put it in the article. Just thought it was interesting. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:10, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::::::Can't we note what the novelization says with a caveat that it's non-canon? --[[User: | :::::::::Can't we note what the novelization says with a caveat that it's non-canon? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:13, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::::::::Sure. I can put it down right now in the article and put a disclaimer after it. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 15:26, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ::::::::::Sure. I can put it down right now in the article and put a disclaimer after it. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 15:26, 25 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
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I know the first one we actually see, but this shot was a bit clearer, anyways, I mean mainly the second two, they show other parts of Caprica City, and despite not being absolutley "show" rendered, they were done quite well and would be good imagery IMO. I dunno, but I would like to know your opinions --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:51, 4 July 2006 (CDT) | I know the first one we actually see, but this shot was a bit clearer, anyways, I mean mainly the second two, they show other parts of Caprica City, and despite not being absolutley "show" rendered, they were done quite well and would be good imagery IMO. I dunno, but I would like to know your opinions --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:51, 4 July 2006 (CDT) | ||
:The quality is excellent, and the source is cited. I don't see any problem. --[[User: | :The quality is excellent, and the source is cited. I don't see any problem. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:32, 5 July 2006 (CDT) | ||
: I do not see any issue in using these pictures either. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:38, 5 July 2006 (CDT) | : I do not see any issue in using these pictures either. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:38, 5 July 2006 (CDT) | ||
::Great, then I'll start "redecorating" ;) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:47, 6 July 2006 (CDT) | ::Great, then I'll start "redecorating" ;) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:47, 6 July 2006 (CDT) | ||
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: Good eye. It's probably New Cap City. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC) | : Good eye. It's probably New Cap City. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
: Good theory, I never really thought of that to begin with! [[User:CommanderTony|CommanderTony]] 16:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC) | : Good theory, I never really thought of that to begin with! [[User:CommanderTony|CommanderTony]] 16:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
: It is New Cap City. Check the ticker that is roughly beneath the gigantic dirigible. It reads "Welcome to New Cap Ci-". The same opening (just as the title "Caprica" appears) also has a split-second appearance of one of those steampunk airplanes that "killed" Heracles in "The Imperfections of Memory". Since those planes don't seem to exist in real Caprica (more modern, atmospheric Vipers seem to be whats used for Caprica Air Force) we can assume the shot is indeed one of New Cap City. --[[User:Neakal|Neakal]] 20:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC) | |||