Editing Talk:Caprica City/Archive 1

== Nuclear attack ==

Can it be safe to assume that Cap City was attacked by a [[Wikipedia: Neutron bomb|neutron bomb]] instead of conventional nukes?  Granted, the "landlord bomb" (neutron bombs kill people but don't destroy buildings) is largely a myth, but there is enough of a truth to it if they are used tactically.  I'm assuming that the Cylons would have the know-how to use such weapons in the optimal manner.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 01:11, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:It's likely, and maybe even worth speculating about in-text (although I'd prefer that to be on [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] than here), but not okay to state as a definitive fact. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:22, 20 January 2006 (EST)

::Nuclear weapons on the show appear to use ordinary Plutonium, and are not neutron bombs.  And we see shock waves moving through the city briefly.  What may confuse you is that we see Helo in cities that aren't destroyed:  the Cylons destroyed most cities, such as Caprica City (the capital), but they ''intentionally spared'' a few cities like Delphi.  Our educated guess is that they were spared so the Cylons could use them as military ground bases.  But most of the cities on the planet have been destroyed. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13:25, 20 January 2006 (EST)

In the mini series Adama states "thirty minutes ago, a thermonuclear warhead in the 50 MEGATON range detonated over Caprica City" this article states 50 KILOTONES, unless someone corrects me i'm going to change it - [[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]]

Changed, just popped in the DVD adama definitely says megaton - [[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]]

==Geography of Caprica==
Okay, let's break this down. Helo and G-Sharon first set down at most a few hours outside of Caprica, since Baltar was able to make it to their Raptor on foot. Helo then runs for about six days before meeting C-Sharon. They can't have spent the 4 days between "33" and "Water" traveling far, since Sharon's purported raptor is still within binocular range. Two days later, in "Bastille Day", they arrive at the deserted city.

That puts Unnamed City #1 no more than about 8 walking days from Caprica City.

They stay there until "Litmus", and then hit the road again in "Six degrees of separation", passing a countryside bridge. This time they're running with substantially greater urgency. In "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down", they find themselves in the sewer system of a second unnamed city.

That puts Unnamed City #2 no more than about 11 running days from City #1.

8 Days later, they pass through another rural area in "The Hand of God" while they overnight in a barn. By now, Delphi is "eight or ten" days off.

In "Colonial Day", 11 days later, they make it to the outskirts of Delphi. Two days after that, they make it down to the spaceport. Within another day or two, they arrive at the museum.

Thus:

Caprica City <--8 days--> Unnamed City #1 <--11 days--> Unnamed City #2 <--8 days--> Unnamed rural area <--13 days--> Delphi Spaceport

Does anyone have any notion as to how much distance a fit man of Helo's build could cover in a single day? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:51, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:That's a pretty interesting/tricky [http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/ question]. Lots of variables. Under ideal conditions, a fit man could probably travel 50 miles in a single day pretty easily. Flat, smooth roads, plenty of water and food/energy would make 5mph for about 10 hours possible. I'm betting we're looking at less than ideal conditions for Helo though. Since this is an infantry situation, he'd probably want to avoid the roads ("linear danger areas", where enemies might approach quickly with little notice). Taking it offroad would considerably slow him down, most likely, especially if he is not familiar with the area. Also, we're not just talking about a single day, since whatever pace he is traveling must be spread out over almost a week. Also, considering that he's "behind enemy lines", his movement would likely be slowed by having to be cautious about being spotted, using/identifying cover, etc. And that's all assuming that he's got food/water on hand and doesn't need to spend time foraging for such things. Taking that all into account I'd think 10-15 miles a day would be a pretty admirable pace. Speaking from experience, I ended up running a marathon as a fit person who really hadn't done the proper training. I completed it, but could hardly walk straight (due to soreness, etc) for the next few days. You have piqued mine (and my wife's) curiousity on this topic, and we discussed the possibility of doing an experiment on this topic sometime. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:58, 19 February 2006 (EST)

::My curiosity is piqued, too. Worthy to add to the [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]] article, perhaps? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:12, 20 February 2006 (EST)

:::I've been wanting to work on a "Geography of Caprica" article for a while, but haven't been able to get around to it. There might be enough material here to re-create the old Caprica (RDM) article with a blurb-and-link on The Twelve Colonies (RDM). --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:30, 20 February 2006 (EST)

:::: I've spent some time in my life backpacking. On one trip, we had a guy who, no kidding, counted his steps every day. ''While'' having conversations with us all and helping navigate, etc. No idea how he did it. Anyway, about half way through our ten-day trip, we figured out based on his counting, our total distances for each sayt, etc. that we were averaging roughly 3mph. That may seem slow, but we weren't trying to be fast, really, and were interested in looking at pretty scenery and stuff. This also included breaks for lunch and resting, so actual speed at a given moment was likely a bit higher. This was in the South Country of Philmont (which is in northern New Mexico), so not exactly flat and there were trails, but not roads much.

:::: Now, all of us were Boy Scouts, but none of us were military personell and we had big packs to slow us down that Helo didn't, but then... Not having a pack means he had to forage some. Anyway... I thought that might be some helpful information for someone who's working things out. --[[User:Day|Day]] 11:57, 20 February 2006 (EST)

== More to Add ==

I have a good-size compilation of facts relating to Caprica City that I could put in the article.  I know that part of editing is being bold, but due to the number of facts I have I believe it would be best to have this request approved. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:01, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:Thanks for your caution. Why not post them here, along with your source? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:12, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

::No problem.  I'll get started right now. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 14:18, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::This looks generally good. Was the "riverwalk" mentioned in dialog or an on-screen caption? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:53, 25 June 2006 (CDT) 

::::The area where Number Six murders the infant was called "Riverwalk Market" in an on-screen caption in the Miniseries.--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:57, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::Werid. I can't remember that... is there a screenshot? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:59, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

::::::I'll try. Also the area where the conversation between Baltar and Six occurs the day of the attack is called "Government Center Plaza" in the novelization. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:03, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::::Novelization follows a different continuity though. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:06, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

::::::::Won't put it in the article. Just thought it was interesting. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:10, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::Can't we note what the novelization says with a caveat that it's non-canon? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:13, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::Sure.  I can put it down right now in the article and put a disclaimer after it. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 15:26, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::::::Actually Roslin mentions in again in LDBY II.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:44, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::::::::In that case, that title really does deserve to be in the article.  I'll add LDBY II as a citation. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 09:01, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

== Looking For Some Trivia ==

You know that snaking elevated compelx I mentioned in the Riverwalk section of the article?  I've seen it used on ''Stargate-SG1'' for the Tolon homeworld and in ''Agent Cody Banks'' as the CIA's Seattle headquarters, so it is a popular film location.  Does anyone know where it is in the real world and its name?  I'd like to use that info for this article's trivia section. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 09:09, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

:All fine US tv series are made in Vancouver; BSG, the Stargates, X-Files, Dark Angel, the L Word:  if you check IMDB many of the secondary and minor cast members have appeared on each of these shows in the past.  They tend to just be sets in and around Vancouver.  The "Riverwalk" of which you query is in fact part of the campus of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fraser_University Simon Fraser University], specifically check out this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sfu-academic-quadrangle-pond.jpg photo here] --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:30, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::Thanks a lot for that.  I'll have a trivia section up momentarily. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 09:44, 26 June 2006 (CDT)


==Good "New" Images==
Hey, I was looking at this website of one of the guys who rendered Caprica City in the mini. In his gallery he shows, among the shots we saw, several other shots which we didn't see and were great (he also has a cleaner version of some). They are good shots, but I wanted to post it here so we can decide whether to post them or not:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4122/capricacity8am.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2720/capricacity23vq.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4691/capricacity35es.jpg


From This Site: http://www.fxstation.com/page3/page3.html

I know the first one we actually see, but this shot was a bit clearer, anyways, I mean mainly the second two, they show other parts of Caprica City, and despite not being absolutley "show" rendered, they were done quite well and would be good imagery IMO. I dunno, but I would like to know your opinions --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:51, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

:The quality is excellent, and the source is cited. I don't see any problem. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:32, 5 July 2006 (CDT)
: I do not see any issue in using these pictures either. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:38, 5 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great, then I'll start "redecorating" ;) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:47, 6 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Well, use the on-air shot as the "title pic" at the top of the Caprica City article, but yeah just sprinkle these throughout the rest of the article.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:58, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Looked at article: what you did was perfect.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:00, 6 July 2006 (CDT)

== Caprica City or New Cap City? ==

Might the picture with the caption "Caprica City prior to the First Cylon War" (and currently featured in the opening of ''Caprica'') actually be New Cap City?  The darker and grungier aesthetics of the scene seem to align much more with New Cap City as depicted in "There Is Another Sky" than the brighter and more modern skylines that seem to dominate Caprica City.  A case might be made that it's an older part of the city, like the neighborhood where the Adamas live.  However, the zeppelin looks far too much like the one that prowled the streets of New Cap, and like nothing we've seen (so far) in the "real" world. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 22:40, 3 March 2010 (GMT)
: The same thing occured to me. I think it's New Cap. -- [[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 22:49, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
: Good eye. It's probably New Cap City. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
: Good theory, I never really thought of that to begin with! [[User:CommanderTony|CommanderTony]] 16:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
* It is New Cap City. Check the ticker that is roughly beneath the gigantic dirigible. It reads "Welcome to New Cap Ci-". The same opening (just as the title "Caprica" appears) also has a split-second appearance of one of those steampunk airplanes that "killed" Heracles in "The Imperfections of Memory". Since those planes don't seem to exist in real Caprica (more modern, atmospheric Vipers seem to be whats used for Caprica Air Force) we can assume the shot is indeed one of New Cap City. --[[User:Neakal|Neakal]] 20:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
* In the podcast to one of the episodes they actually mention that New Cap City is in the credits. -- [[User:Rjinswand|Rjinswand]] 23:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)