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Moore: I think she has. I think that's something that happened in the year off and I think that essentially so many people left ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' that they really are on skeleton crews and, y'know, somebody like Dualla that went to ''Pegasus'' to be with Lee, presumably, and we'll deal more with— we have episodes that deal more with the circumstances of that in season three, and how that happened and why, but the idea was she essentially went over there and more people kept leaving and leaving, and Lee made her the XO.
Moore: I think she has. I think that's something that happened in the year off and I think that essentially so many people left ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' that they really are on skeleton crews and, y'know, somebody like Dualla that went to ''Pegasus'' to be with Lee, presumably, and we'll deal more with— we have episodes that deal more with the circumstances of that in season three, and how that happened and why, but the idea was she essentially went over there and more people kept leaving and leaving, and Lee made her the XO.


I think this is pretty clear, given the source, so we can probably get rid of "presumed" from the succession box. I do want to point out that she'd pretty much have to be a captain or higher to be in the XO position (Captain Aaron Kelly filled in as XO while Tigh was in command). For Dualla to go from PO2 (E-5) to Captain (O-4) in a year would demand both a very fast series of promotions, and a very high rate of attrition within the officer ranks. I don't think it's ''completely'' implausible, but it's hard to imagine that ''Pegasus'' didn't have a single officer left with any command competence. It's also probably not good military practice to have one's significant other in a directly subordinate position, but Dualla's strong willed enough (c.f. Home, Part I) that it's probably not a huge problem. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:56, 24 March 2006 (CST)
I think this is pretty clear, given the source, so we can probably get rid of "presumed" from the succession box. I do want to point out that she'd pretty much have to be a captain or higher to be in the XO position (Captain Aaron Kelly filled in as XO while Tigh was in command). For Dualla to go from PO2 (E-5) to Captain (O-4) in a year would demand both a very fast series of promotions, and a very high rate of attrition within the officer ranks. I don't think it's ''completely'' implausible, but it's hard to imagine that ''Pegasus'' didn't have a single officer left with any command competence. It's also probably not good military practice to have one's significant other in a directly subordinate position, but Dualla's strong willed enough (c.f. Home, Part I) that it's probably not a huge problem. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:56, 24 March 2006 (CST)
:Yeah. That is pretty clear that we can get rid of '''presumed'''. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 17:21, 24 March 2006 (CST)
:Yeah. That is pretty clear that we can get rid of '''presumed'''. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 17:21, 24 March 2006 (CST)
:If normal military protocol were still being strictly followed, you'd be right about the promotions and the relationship issues. However, this is no longer a remotely normal situation. One of the interesting differences between Original Series protocol and RDM Series protocol is that the Original Series treated battlestars like fiefdoms, and it was perfectly normal for Adama and Cain to have their children serving with them; like a feudal lord, Adama was both a military and a civilian leader (he was on the Quorom at the same time as being Commander of ''Galactica''). At the outset, the RDM Series was modeling Colonial military protocol on US protocol -- strict separation of military and civilian concerns, and civilian control of the military, even ''in extremis''. That disciplined, constitutional and republican (small 'r' deliberate) approach now appears to be breaking down because it's increasingly impractical to enforce.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:35, 25 March 2006 (CST)
:If normal military protocol were still being strictly followed, you'd be right about the promotions and the relationship issues. However, this is no longer a remotely normal situation. One of the interesting differences between Original Series protocol and RDM Series protocol is that the Original Series treated battlestars like fiefdoms, and it was perfectly normal for Adama and Cain to have their children serving with them; like a feudal lord, Adama was both a military and a civilian leader (he was on the Quorom at the same time as being Commander of ''Galactica''). At the outset, the RDM Series was modeling Colonial military protocol on US protocol -- strict separation of military and civilian concerns, and civilian control of the military, even ''in extremis''. That disciplined, constitutional and republican (small 'r' deliberate) approach now appears to be breaking down because it's increasingly impractical to enforce.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:35, 25 March 2006 (CST)


::Still, isn't it odd that Bill Adama had at least two officers serving under him (Tigh and Helo) while Lee had to promote an enlisted crewman to be his XO? I would think the most appropriate way to distribute personnel would have been for Bill to loan Helo to Lee. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:25, 25 March 2006 (CST)
::Still, isn't it odd that Bill Adama had at least two officers serving under him (Tigh and Helo) while Lee had to promote an enlisted crewman to be his XO? I would think the most appropriate way to distribute personnel would have been for Bill to loan Helo to Lee. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:25, 25 March 2006 (CST)
:::Alot can happen in a year. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:32, 25 March 2006 (CST)
:::Alot can happen in a year. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:32, 25 March 2006 (CST)
:::I haven't seen the eps yet (insert usual excuses here) but my impression was that Tigh went planetside. Really, of the people we '''know''' are officers, there aren't very many left (except on the technicality that all pilots, however green, are officers). Which is one of the things that's going to make S3 interesting -- all the old relationships are really totally jumbled up, now, and a lot of the people Adama had come to depend upon are no longer available to him. Setting aside the rest of the fleet for the moment, Adama has taken Galactica out to sea (as it were) without his senior CPO, who was also the best mechanic and manager of mechanics available (Tyrol), along with at least some of the flight deck crew; without trusted bridge officers like Tigh and Gaeta; and without trusted pilots like Thrace and his son (albeit the latter for different reasons). Unless there was some degree of conscription/coercion involved (not my impression), he's left with a purely voluntary corps who are still on board not because of their skills or specialties, but because of their scepticism in the viability of New Caprica and/or their dedication to the idea that New Caprica still needs a defence.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 12:43, 25 March 2006 (CST)
:::I haven't seen the eps yet (insert usual excuses here) but my impression was that Tigh went planetside. Really, of the people we '''know''' are officers, there aren't very many left (except on the technicality that all pilots, however green, are officers). Which is one of the things that's going to make S3 interesting -- all the old relationships are really totally jumbled up, now, and a lot of the people Adama had come to depend upon are no longer available to him. Setting aside the rest of the fleet for the moment, Adama has taken Galactica out to sea (as it were) without his senior CPO, who was also the best mechanic and manager of mechanics available (Tyrol), along with at least some of the flight deck crew; without trusted bridge officers like Tigh and Gaeta; and without trusted pilots like Thrace and his son (albeit the latter for different reasons). Unless there was some degree of conscription/coercion involved (not my impression), he's left with a purely voluntary corps who are still on board not because of their skills or specialties, but because of their scepticism in the viability of New Caprica and/or their dedication to the idea that New Caprica still needs a defence.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 12:43, 25 March 2006 (CST)
::::Tigh only went planetside during the scenes we saw, so he was with the fleet for a full year before then. I'm not trying to have an argument about the merits of the writing, which I don't think are in question; I'm just pointing out that it's a little bit weird. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:47, 25 March 2006 (CST
::::Tigh only went planetside during the scenes we saw, so he was with the fleet for a full year before then. I'm not trying to have an argument about the merits of the writing, which I don't think are in question; I'm just pointing out that it's a little bit weird. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:47, 25 March 2006 (CST
:::::OK, then I agree, it's a little odd. Since we're apparently going to get at least some of the gaps filled in, hopefully we'll get to see the thought process behind the staffing decisions.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 12:51, 25 March 2006 (CST)
:::::OK, then I agree, it's a little odd. Since we're apparently going to get at least some of the gaps filled in, hopefully we'll get to see the thought process behind the staffing decisions.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 12:51, 25 March 2006 (CST)


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==Rank==
==Rank==
Merv, what was your source when you updated her rank to "Lieutenant"? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:26, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
Merv, what was your source when you updated her rank to "Lieutenant"? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:26, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:She's wearing an officer's [[uniform]].  In retrospect, yes, I'm not sure if she's a Lieutenant (or Lieutenant Junior Grade) or the rarely used Ensign rank.  We need to see a closeup of her rank insignia.  However, Lieutenant seemed the most probable, and it is Gaeta's rank when he does a similar job.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:46, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:She's wearing an officer's [[uniform]].  In retrospect, yes, I'm not sure if she's a Lieutenant (or Lieutenant Junior Grade) or the rarely used Ensign rank.  We need to see a closeup of her rank insignia.  However, Lieutenant seemed the most probable, and it is Gaeta's rank when he does a similar job.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:46, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:: Well, if you're not sure, we should just remove the Lieutenant reference until we get confirmation, don't you think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:06, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:: Well, if you're not sure, we should just remove the Lieutenant reference until we get confirmation, don't you think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:06, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
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:::So yeah, they called her lieutenant. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:10, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:::So yeah, they called her lieutenant. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:10, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:::: Cool. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:12, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:::: Cool. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:12, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:::: Excellent. Thanks for the source. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:59, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:::: Excellent. Thanks for the source. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:59, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
:Her rank insignia both in the wikipage photo and during Exodus II is "Lieutenant Junior Grade."  As for her being addressed as "Lieutenant," that term is used both in ''Galactica'' and in the US regardless of whether addressing a full or junior-grade lieutenant--ref. Boomer (?) in Mini & season 1.  Similarly, no one called Cain "Rear Admiral" except Adama when specifically discussing her promotion from Commander.  I've changed Dee's infobox - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 08:48, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:Her rank insignia both in the wikipage photo and during Exodus II is "Lieutenant Junior Grade."  As for her being addressed as "Lieutenant," that term is used both in ''Galactica'' and in the US regardless of whether addressing a full or junior-grade lieutenant--ref. Boomer (?) in Mini & season 1.  Similarly, no one called Cain "Rear Admiral" except Adama when specifically discussing her promotion from Commander.  I've changed Dee's infobox - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 08:48, 26 October 2006 (CDT)


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:Steelviper's cleanup attempt looks good to me. In my initial post I made myself a little unclear; I didn't mean for all those references to disappear, but merely to be shortened. Present tense in biographies is just [[BW:SAC|a convention]] here. The father issue is good analysis, though; it has been established most Saggitarons are pacifists, providing a good reason for the estrangement between Dualla and her father. I also agree that things like the Saggitarons' beliefs are relevant, but they can be told in a few words, rather than a few sentences. I hope you and Steelviper can reach a compromise. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 06:13, 25 February 2007 (CST)
:Steelviper's cleanup attempt looks good to me. In my initial post I made myself a little unclear; I didn't mean for all those references to disappear, but merely to be shortened. Present tense in biographies is just [[BW:SAC|a convention]] here. The father issue is good analysis, though; it has been established most Saggitarons are pacifists, providing a good reason for the estrangement between Dualla and her father. I also agree that things like the Saggitarons' beliefs are relevant, but they can be told in a few words, rather than a few sentences. I hope you and Steelviper can reach a compromise. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 06:13, 25 February 2007 (CST)
:I'd change the wording a bit for style so it sounds better, but content-wise it's generally ok. I'd briefly mention why they don't want to be treated though. Just saying "religious taboos" and linking to the religion article is fine. And no need to use words like "appear" here. She ''does'' not share Sagittaron believes and she ''does'' hate Cottle.
:Putting the issue between her and her father in context can be done at the very start of the article, where it's mentioned first. We learned that it existed in "Final Cut" and another 1 or 2 sentences can explain the reason. And I agree that it is relevant.
:So I agree Catrope, that we don't need to drop all those points. It's just unnecessary to tell everything in such detail. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:22, 25 February 2007 (CST)


== Role ==
== Role ==
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:::I disagree. Dualla was ''clearly'' communicating with Starbuck and Kat during the Raider chase in [[Hero]]. Who says that both Hoshi and Dualla cannot be communications officers aboard ship, merely on different watches? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 16:36, 30 December 2006 (CST)
:::I disagree. Dualla was ''clearly'' communicating with Starbuck and Kat during the Raider chase in [[Hero]]. Who says that both Hoshi and Dualla cannot be communications officers aboard ship, merely on different watches? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 16:36, 30 December 2006 (CST)
::::Exactly. Also in [[A Measure of Salvation]] we can see Dualla wearing her headset (headphone & microphone) in CIC. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 06:09, 6 January 2007 (CST)
::::Exactly. Also in [[A Measure of Salvation]] we can see Dualla wearing her headset (headphone & microphone) in CIC. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 06:09, 6 January 2007 (CST)
==Death==
Seeing as she is now deceased, shouldn't this article be in the past tense? -- [[User:Moo|Moo]] 04:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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