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**I partly agree and removed the 300 figure for the mass of the refugees, but kept the 51 figure. | **I partly agree and removed the 300 figure for the mass of the refugees, but kept the 51 figure. | ||
* I'm not sure if it's precisely established whether they brought it aboard themselves, already had it, etc. Best not to even mention it here. | * I'm not sure if it's precisely established whether they brought it aboard themselves, already had it, etc. Best not to even mention it here. | ||
**Yes it was established. Roberts and Helo's comments at the end of the teaser strongly suggest this. It was also indicated in Act 1 with Adama's meeting with his department heads. No mention of the illness was mentioned prior to either scene. It was only after the refugees were disembarking from the | **Yes it was established. Roberts and Helo's comments at the end of the teaser strongly suggest this. It was also indicated in Act 1 with Adama's meeting with his department heads. No mention of the illness was mentioned prior to either scene. It was only after the refugees were disembarking from the Threa Sita and they were being sorted out and Roberts were attempting to treat them was it ever mentioned. This very strongly suggest the refugees brought it over with them. Is this beyond a total doubt? No, but I think it is beyond a reasonable one. | ||
* The specifics of the drug, needed to treat it, etc., aren't as important here, but we can link to it. | * The specifics of the drug, needed to treat it, etc., aren't as important here, but we can link to it. | ||
**Well, I think the fact that the lives of some of the refugees were endangered despite an obvious cure is relevant. In contrast to her people, Dee was prepared to take it, again showing the rift between her people and perhaps between her and her parents views. | **Well, I think the fact that the lives of some of the refugees were endangered despite an obvious cure is relevant. In contrast to her people, Dee was prepared to take it, again showing the rift between her people and perhaps between her and her parents views. | ||
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* Pulled Cottle issues into paragraph. | * Pulled Cottle issues into paragraph. | ||
**Perhaps that is okay but I do think it is a separate issue mostly since she obviously doesn't have an issue with modern medicine but seem to have a personal approbation against him. Her animosity toward Cottle does come into play regarding the Sagittaron issue in that it put her in the clutches of a serial killer that believes her people should be wiped out save but a few "good" ones. | **Perhaps that is okay but I do think it is a separate issue mostly since she obviously doesn't have an issue with modern medicine but seem to have a personal approbation against him. Her animosity toward Cottle does come into play regarding the Sagittaron issue in that it put her in the clutches of a serial killer that believes her people should be wiped out save but a few "good" ones. | ||
**I guess the basic issue is whether how do you see the role of the biographical articles about the characters. Do you construct it strictly only by episode in a strict recital of facts and never refer back to previous episode points, constructing the article like individual components in isolation with each other or do you have it flow like a real biography of a real person? I guess my view is more of the latter. As I said above I treat the characters of BSG as real persons who experiences are not in isolation from each other. I think real life biographies of real persons are constructed like that. Their college "episode" may have an affect on their politics "episode" which has an effect on there family "episode" or visa versa, shedding light on previous events and not in isolation. I think if you read a biography about Abe Lincoln it would probably refer to an incident he had as say a young corporate lawyer that had an affect on his political views and his Presidency. BSG is a very character driven show and "The Woman King" happens to be a particularly character driven episode. What happens to a character in one episode may give insight on what happened to that character or what we learned from him/her in another previous one. In this case I don't think it is so out of bounds to speculate that the beliefs of her father were in conflict with the beliefs of the daughter as we found out in "[[Final Cut]]" in light of what we found out about her people's beliefs and her attitude toward her people in "The Woman King". Should we just report these facts without comment or do we delve into how these new revelations may shed light on her relationship with her parents? I believe the latter. I understand the more regimental structure of the episode summaries, but for the character bios I think a more nuanced less sterile "Lego block" construction of them is desirable. | **I guess the basic issue is whether how do you see the role of the biographical articles about the characters. Do you construct it strictly only by episode in a strict recital of facts and never refer back to previous episode points, constructing the article like individual components in isolation with each other or do you have it flow like a real biography of a real person? I guess my view is more of the latter. As I said above I treat the characters of BSG as real persons who experiences are not in isolation from each other. I think real life biographies of real persons are constructed like that. Their college "episode" may have an affect on their politics "episode" which has an effect on there family "episode" or visa versa, shedding light on previous events and not in isolation. I think if you read a biography about Abe Lincoln it would probably refer to an incident he had as say a young corporate lawyer that had an affect on his political views and his Presidency. BSG is a very character driven show and "The Woman King" happens to be a particularly character driven episode. What happens to a character in one episode may give insight on what happened to that character or what we learned from him/her in another previous one. In this case I don't think it is so out of bounds to speculate that the beliefs of her father were in conflict with the beliefs of the daughter as we found out in "[[Final Cut]]" in light of what we found out about her people's beliefs and her attitude toward her people in "The Woman King". Should we just report these facts without comment or do we delve into how these new revelations may shed light on her relationship with her parents? I believe the latter. I understand the more regimental structure of the episode summaries, but for the character bios I think a more nuanced less sterile "Lego block" construction of them is desirable. | ||
:Steelviper's cleanup attempt looks good to me. In my initial post I made myself a little unclear; I didn't mean for all those references to disappear, but merely to be shortened. Present tense in biographies is just [[BW:SAC|a convention]] here. The father issue is good analysis, though; it has been established most Saggitarons are pacifists, providing a good reason for the estrangement between Dualla and her father. I also agree that things like the Saggitarons' beliefs are relevant, but they can be told in a few words, rather than a few sentences. I hope you and Steelviper can reach a compromise. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 06:13, 25 February 2007 (CST) | :Steelviper's cleanup attempt looks good to me. In my initial post I made myself a little unclear; I didn't mean for all those references to disappear, but merely to be shortened. Present tense in biographies is just [[BW:SAC|a convention]] here. The father issue is good analysis, though; it has been established most Saggitarons are pacifists, providing a good reason for the estrangement between Dualla and her father. I also agree that things like the Saggitarons' beliefs are relevant, but they can be told in a few words, rather than a few sentences. I hope you and Steelviper can reach a compromise. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 06:13, 25 February 2007 (CST) | ||