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| == Tease == | | == Tease == |
| RDM: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the podcast for episode eight of [[Season 3 (2006-07)|season three]] of- | | RDM: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the podcast for episode eight of [[Season 3 (2006-07)|season three]] of- |
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| RDM: And then- oh, and well that was part of the problem. We were trying to figure, "Well what could you really say Sharon that's gonna?" | | RDM: And then- oh, and well that was part of the problem. We were trying to figure, "Well what could you really say Sharon that's gonna?" |
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| | RDM: -the fact that she's just being reintegrated in the (unintelligble)- |
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| Tahmoh: We talked about that before too, though. I think that was actually a stronger choice, that you didn't actually have her fighting in the ring. The fact that she's just being reintegrated in the (unintelligble)-
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| RDM: Yeah. No, I think-
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| RDM: Editors really- the editors, [[imdb:nm1905909|Jeute]](?), I think in particular, the editor, really sweated the fight scenes. [[imdb:nm0336378|Jacques]] and [[imdb:nm0641179|Mikey-O]]. A lot of work into this and in post. I mean, this is really- 'cause there's just a lot of footage here to work with. There's a lot of story. There's a lot of scenes. There's a lot of choices about when you cut to these particular moments and what motivates them, in and out of the ring. [[Michael Taylor]], who wrote this episode had in- he had indicated a lot of in and out moments and [[Robert Young|Bob Young]] shot a lot of the sequences with distinctive editing choice and to get out here and go there, but at a certain point you're in the editing bay and just- you just start throwing the cuts around a little bit to improve the rhythms here and there. And at a certain point those transitional moments, they might be there, still, or they're long gone and you don't even remember what they were. So it's really a lot of guys in post production sitting around and playing with this footage and running it back and forth and feeling the rhythm of it like you were experiencing a piece of music, in terms of how fast something is moving, how slow. When you pick up the pace, when you slow it down. It's interesting. It's an interesting excerci- | | RDM: Editors really- the editors, [[imdb:nm1905909|Jeute]](?), I think in particular, the editor, really sweated the fight scenes. [[imdb:nm0336378|Jacques]] and [[imdb:nm0641179|Mikey-O]]. A lot of work into this and in post. I mean, this is really- 'cause there's just a lot of footage here to work with. There's a lot of story. There's a lot of scenes. There's a lot of choices about when you cut to these particular moments and what motivates them, in and out of the ring. [[Michael Taylor]], who wrote this episode had in- he had indicated a lot of in and out moments and [[Robert Young|Bob Young]] shot a lot of the sequences with distinctive editing choice and to get out here and go there, but at a certain point you're in the editing bay and just- you just start throwing the cuts around a little bit to improve the rhythms here and there. And at a certain point those transitional moments, they might be there, still, or they're long gone and you don't even remember what they were. So it's really a lot of guys in post production sitting around and playing with this footage and running it back and forth and feeling the rhythm of it like you were experiencing a piece of music, in terms of how fast something is moving, how slow. When you pick up the pace, when you slow it down. It's interesting. It's an interesting (unintellible). |
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| RDM: There was anoth- there was a lovely little beat with Tigh and [[William Adama|Adama]] that got cut, where Adama checked in with Tigh and just asked him how he was doing and Tigh was like- essentially admitted to- partially freaking out and just being totally overwhelmed by the experience, but it was good to be out. I love the look on Aaron's face here. | | RDM: There was anoth- there was a lovely little beat with Tigh and [[William Adama|Adama]] that got cut, where Adama checked in with Tigh and just asked him how he was doing and Tigh was like- essentially admitted to- partially freaking out and just being totally overwhelmed by the experience, but it was good to be out. (unintelligible) look on Aaron's face here. |
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| | | Grace: -but [[Edward James Olmos|Eddie]] kept going and we didn't have anything ready and we were just throwing wraps and people were running around the ring. That was so fun, 'cause noone knew what was going on. Everyone, even [[Aaron Douglas|Aaron]], was like, "What the- Aren't we supposed to stop?" |
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| Grace: I think my favorite was when they were supposed to stop, but Eddie kept going and we didn't have anything ready and we were just throwing wraps and people were running around the ring. That was so fun, 'cause no one knew what was going on. Everyone, even Aaron, was like, "What the- Aren't we supposed to stop?" | |
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| Tahmoh: Oh, man. That's Edward James Olmos. He's an intimidating looking man. That's all there is to it. Even at his age, he's scary. I love it. | | Tahmoh: Oh, man. That's Edward James Olmos. He's an intimidating looking man. (unintelligible) to it, even at his age, he's scary. I love it. |
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| Grace: The guy's in shape though. He worked out for hours at a time now. | | Grace: The guy's in shape though. He worked out for hours at a time now. |
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| Terry: I asked the question of this to myself. I was like, "Why are they [[w:Folk dance|folk dancing]]?" | | Terry: I asked the question of this to myself. I was like, "Why are they [[w:Folk dance|folk dancing]]?" |
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| Grace: Yeah, because it looks like dancing. | | Grace: Yeah, because it looks like dancing. |
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| RDM: I just enjoyed wri- I mean I was, Taylor was writing and I was writing and we kept throwing in different riffs along the way and one was Eddie lying there and started singing some song that he remembers from fighter pilot school and she starts laughing. She's, "What the hell is that?" He's like, "I don't remember man, some dude," he was just so stoned out of his mind. [[William Adama|Adama]] stoned is remembering songs from his childhood. | | RDM: I just enjoyed wri- I mean I was, Taylor was writing and I was writing and we kept throwing in different riffs along the way and one was Eddie lying there and started singing some song that he remembers from fighter pilot school and she starts laughing. She's, "What the hell is that?" He's like, "I remember man, some dude," he was just so stoned out of his mind. [[William Adama|Adama]] stoned is remembering songs from his childhood. |
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| Tahmoh: I tell you, man. Whenever I watch the two of them work- I had the opportunity [[Season 3 (2006-07)|this season]] to work with them a couple of times where it's just been us in scenes and I'm still just blown away sometimes. It's a little surreal for me. I'm like, "Wow. I'm in a scene with Edward James Olmos and [[Mary McDonnell|Mary McDonald]]." And I've caught myself a couple of times. Especially the first scene I ever had with the two of them. | | Tahmoh: I tell you, man. Whenever I watch the two of them work- I had the opportunity [[Season 3 (2006-07)|this season]] to work with them a couple of times where it's just been us in scenes and I'm still just blown away sometimes. It's a little surreal for me. I'm like, "Wow. I'm in a scene with Edward James Olmos and [[Mary McDonnell|Mary McDonald]]." And I've caught myself a couple of times. First scene I ever had with the two of them. |
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| RDM: Oh, no. We've talked about- I've talked about this in the podc- I mean, the "Fat [[Lee Adama|Lee]]" incident was not our finest hour, because ultimately we didn't know where to go with that. | | RDM: Oh, no. We've talked about- I've talked about this in the podc- I mean, the "Fat [[Lee Adama|Lee]]" incident was not our finest hour, because ultimately we had nowhere to go with that. |
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| Grace: He had so many dead-ends for that character. | | Grace: He had so many dead-ends for that character. |
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| Tahmoh: Never cease amaze me when a man can just- the classic scene when he comes back when we're reuniting. When he's coming off the [[Raptor]] and him and Eddie- he was coming off the [[Raptor]] and he's just recently had to put down [[Ellen Tigh|his wife]], literally, poison her. And I remember watching. [[Grace Park|Grace]] and I were across the room. Literally I'm watching him just walk off with this weight, walk off the Raptor wing. And it affected me from across the room. I was instantly, like, I was almost- I was so affected by it. I was just instantly saddened looking at him and knowing what the con- I mean, the conversation that was about to happen between him and Adama. | | Tahmoh: Never cease amaze me when a man can just- the classic scene when he comes back when we're reuniting. When he's coming off the [[Raptor]] and him and Eddie- he was coming off the [[Raptor]] and he's just recently had to put down [[Ellen Tigh|his wife]], literally, poison her. And I remember watching. [[Grace Park|Grace]] and I were across the room. Literally I'm watching him just walk off with this weight, walk off the Raptor wing. And it affected me from across the room. I was instantly, like, I was almost- I was so affected by it. I was just instantly saddened looking at him and knowing what the con- I mean, the conversation that was about to happen between him and Adama. |
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| | | Grace: -background they had. And then when [[Saul Tigh]] stepped off, it was almost like the wrong show stepped out. It was like a different show and it's like, "Err?" Two different shows in the same scene? |
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| Grace: -the background and they were all supposed to be so excited and everyone (unintelligable.) | |
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| Tahmoh: And everyone's cheering, and that's just it. Yeah.
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| Grace: Yeah, it almost looked like- it was weird, like a musical from ''[[wikipedia:Oliver!|Oliver!]]'' came back, because of a certain background they had. And then when [[Saul Tigh]] stepped off, it was almost like the wrong show stepped out. It was like a different show and it's like, "Err?" Two different shows in the same scene?
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| Terry: Yeah, they didn't listen to the Adama. | | Terry: Yeah, they didn't listen to the (unintelligible). |
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| RDM: There was more- there were versions where [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] and [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] came in earlier, witnessed more things that happen between [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] in the ring. Had more interactions. There was like- there was actually- | | RDM: There was more- there were versions where [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] and [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] came in earlier, witnessed more things that happen between [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] in the ring. Had more interactions. There was like- there was actually- |
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| RDM: -scenes between Starbuck and Anders during the fight, in between rounds and things. And they all just went by the wayside 'cause it start to become apparent that the show really was- the episode really wasn't about those relationships. | | RDM: -scenes between Starbuck and Anders during the fight, in between rounds and things. And they all just went by the wayside 'cause it start become apparent that the show really was- the episode really wasn't about those relationships. |
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| This is- I love this whole little sequence. Another one of the things I like about the show Sh-, [[Grace Park|Grace]], is- | | This is- I love this whole little sequence. Another one of the things I like about the show Sh-, [[Grace Park|Grace]], is- |
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| Grace: (Chuckle.) You almost called me [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]]. I heard that. | | Grace: (Chuckle.) You almost called me Sharon. I heard that. |
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| Yeah, I like [[Katee Sackhoff|Katee]]'s work in this epis- in this in particular. | | Yeah, I like [[Katee Sackhoff|Katee]]'s work in this epis- in this in particular. |
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| RDM: So there's a couple of times where we're breaking- in a boxing sequence like the ones we're constructing, it's not really about tracking each move and we're not making any attempt to keep continuity. You're just jumping around in the fight, but even so there's definitely places where we're cheating and we used a shot again. (Chuckles.) You might have seen earlier and slipping things through. | | RDM: So there's a couple of times where we're breaking- in a boxing sequence like the ones were constructed, it's not really about tracking each move and we're not making any attempt to keep continuity. You're just jumping around in the fight, but even so there's definitely places where we're cheating and we used a shot again. (Chuckles.) You might have seen earlier and slipping things through. |
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| RDM: I remember working on these pages, sitting in a production office. I was in my office in office in the production-
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| RDM: -office, up here, and we were shooting "[[Exodus, Part I|Exodus]]", and we were doing rewrites on this episode. And I'm sitting in my office in the production office and writing this scene. Everyone was gone and Harmony was like, outside the door and there was like various like production music going on (chuckles) outside the door.
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| RDM: All of it- and whenever I watch this thing I always remember that, the context in which it was written more than I remember the scene.
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| RDM: Yes, it was a certain lavender.
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| RDM: Which I find-
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| Grace: Why couldn't it be microwave popcorn? (Laughs.)
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| RDM: Not in our production office.
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| Grace: Pretty much.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah.
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| RDM: This is all very artful- very artfully framed.
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| RDM: See, this is what I like. I love Katee through this whole bit of business here. The way she laughs. The complete, like-
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| Tahmoh: Yeah, she's great.
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| RDM: Unabashed... that.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah. And she's good at that, 'cause that's-
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| Grace: She is.
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| Tahmoh: -the real Katee Sackhoff, right there.
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| Tahmoh: When she laughs at him.
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| Grace: Oh, yeah.
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| Tahmoh: It is.
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| RDM: I believe it. It's like, whatever it is, I believe it, so I wanna believe that's who Katee Sackhoff is.
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| Tahmoh: It really is Sackhoff.
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| RDM: It's like, "Whoah. That must be honest."
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| Tahmoh: It's one of the questions you always get at conventions, "So, is Katee Sackhoff very much like Starbuck." I'm like, "Well, of course she is in a lot of ways because she is Starbuck, she is the actor who brings the character to life, but like Katee's very much a girl."
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| Grace: Oh, yeah. She's so girly.
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| Tahmoh: She's so girly, she's got great sense of humor, and she like to laugh. She really likes to laugh.
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| RDM: The look on her face here.
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| Grace: Yeah.
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| Terry: She's like a-
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| Grace: -with that little.
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| Terry: She's like a kid. Yeah.
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| Tahmoh: She is. Yeah.
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| Terry: Which is nice since Starbuck's always so guarded.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah
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| Terry: To see her doing something this-
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| Grace: I love it when you see light in the person's eye. I like that.
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| RDM: (Laughs.) Well there was in the earlier draft.
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| Grace: (Laughs.)
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| Tahmoh: Just that hot tub with a background. (Laughs.)
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| Terry: This is kind of like a hot tub.
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| Grace: Canadian upbringing, you know. If you're gonna be naked outside-
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| Grace: -it either has to be the ocean or a hot tub.
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| Tahmoh: That's right.
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| RDM: [Italian accent] Yeah, you fuckin' went away.
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| Tahmoh: [deep voice/slow-motion] You broke my 'eart.
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| Grace: [deep voice/slow-motion] Oooo.
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| Tahmoh: [deep voice/slow-motion] Get up!
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| RDM: [slow-motion] They took my thumb!
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| Tahmoh: (Chuckles.)
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| Grace: (Chuckle into laughter.)
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| Tahmoh: Whacha!
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| Grace: Yeah!
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| RDM: Yeah, you've gotta love that.
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| Grace: Ohhh.
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| Tahmoh: Nice [[w:Roundhouse kick|round kick]].
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| Grace: I like that.
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| Tahmoh: There's some [[w:Capoeira|Capoeira]] there.
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| Grace: Yeah.
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| Tahmoh: That's a Brazilian martial are there.
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| RDM: There was an argument to keep taking this moment out. I kept insisting-
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| Terry: This is so hard.
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| RDM: -to put this part back in. That you got-
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| Tahmoh: This one?
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| RDM: -you gotta have- You gotta see the moment when he wakes up alone.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah. No, this was great. I though this-
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| RDM: You gotta s- you gotta see (unintelligible).
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| Grace: You started with this, and you-
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| RDM: Started with that, too, yeah.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah, this is (unintelligible)-
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| RDM: The beginning you don't have any context for it.
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| Tahmoh: I though this was one of the most important-
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| Grace: This is just-
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| RDM: And this bit with his dad.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah.
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| Grace: Harsh.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah, he is.
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| RDM: Harsh, harsh, harsh.
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| Terry: Is it?
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| RDM: You can feel the air go out of him in the scene. And [[Edward James Olmos|Eddie]]'s- I love the way Eddie plays this. Eddie doesn't give him anything. Eddie has no, like- there's no moment of [[William Adama|Adama]] going, "Are you ok?"
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| Tahmoh: "Are you ok?" There's nothing like that.
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| RDM: He's just like- "Oh, yeah."
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| Tahmoh: He's eatin' through the whole thing.
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| Grace: (Laughs.)
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| RDM: Watch him. He's like, "Oh, yeah. They got married."
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| Tahmoh: Yeah.
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| RDM: "This morning."
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| Tahmoh: Great, eh?
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| RDM: "Starbuck. You kinda liked her, didn't you?"
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| RDM: And look at him. He's like-
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| Tahmoh: He's still eating (uninteligible)
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| RDM: He's dying and like, "You ok? You wanna nut?"
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| Everybody: (Laugh.)
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| RDM: Oh, it's harsh.
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| Tahmoh: It's just makes you-
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| RDM: But it's brilliant because it just makes it so much worse, 'cause he's so like in his own misery.
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| Terry: Ugh. This is so awful.
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| RDM: It's so awful.
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| Grace: You'd be pissed.
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| RDM: And there they come.
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| Terry: Oh... the first time I saw this I just hated her.
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| RDM: See? That's what I mean. It's all- it's-
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| Terry: I just hated her.
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| RDM: It's about how much can you hate Starbuck and you can't hate- you can't completely hate her? You have to-
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| Tahmoh: No, you can't.
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| RDM: -be careful on the show-
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| Terry: I don't know.
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| RDM: -that you don't- Do still completely hate her?
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| Terry: I haven't seen past this episode.
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| RDM: Oh. But by the end of this episode, you still hate her.
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| Terry: At the end of this episode I still hate her.
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| RDM: Ok.
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| Terry: I just-
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| RDM: That's fair.
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| Grace: I mean, they ended it with that.
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| RDM: That's fair enough.
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| Terry: I- yeah. It's just-
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| Grace: (unintelligible)
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| Terry: You just- it's such cowardice.
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| Grace: Cowardice. Interesting. That's not what I (unintelligible)-
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| RDM: Well, she runs. She ran.
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| Terry: She ran.
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| RDM: She totally ran.
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| Grace: That's true.
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| RDM: And there's something just so-
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| Grace: That's why he's like, "Ahhhh-"
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| RDM: -perfect about the fact that she's just at pissed him, somehow.
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| Grace: Yeah.
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| Terry: Yeah, that's the thing. Remember I asked you-
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| RDM: That she's pissed at him.
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| Terry: -the first time when I first saw it.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah
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| Terry: I said, "What's she so pissed off about?"
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| RDM: Oh, yeah. It's so-
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| Terry: Well, she's not- she's pissed at herself.
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| RDM: Oh, yeah. And it's so irrational. It's like-
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| Terry: Well, she's pissed at him because he knows the truth.
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| Grace: Yeah. I think I totally understand that.
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| Terry: Yeah.
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| Grace: When you don't let anyone in-
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| Terry: He's-
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| Grace: -and then you do, and then you like, "Raaaa!" in rage.
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| Terry: And then you do and then he's the only one who knows. I mean, he's- noone else knows that she let down her guard, except for him. So he becomes the object of the anger.
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| Tahmoh: I love her.
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| Grace: I love that.
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| Terry: Oh.
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| RDM: Oh, the look on her face here.
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| Tahmoh: The look on her ex- face is (unintelligible)-
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| RDM: [[Michael Trucco|Trucco]]'s perfect too.
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| Terry: Well it's amazing, 'cause he doesn't get it.
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| RDM: Trucco's in his own mov- Trucco's in his own movie-
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| Terry: Yeah.
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| RDM: -about getting married.
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| Terry: That's right.
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| RDM: He's like happy now, I mean, which is like.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah.
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| Terry: You ever notice the look between these two?
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| Grace: [weird voice] Look at the frickin'-
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| RDM: Look at that look.
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| Grace: Trucco really must be that. Or, not Trucco, I mean Anders, did not see that.
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| RDM: He's like Adama. Noone's noticing.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah.
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| RDM: These people are in their own misery.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah.
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| Grace: Now, do you think it's really fair to do that to people? 'Cause in reality, I mean, you know.
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| Terry: What?
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| Grace: You notice. [weird voice] When two people are starin' at each other like, blinking away, eyes fluttering or-
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| RDM: Oh, is it fair to do that in the scene?
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| Grace: Well I wonder how realistic (unintelligible)-
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| RDM: Well, but it's not always about being realistic. It's about-
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| Grace: I know, it's not, is it?
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| RDM: It's more about, "What's the dramatic point here?"
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| Grace: Oh, yeah.
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| RDM: What are- what's- what is it I'm trying to get across to the audience. What is the- where do I want them to be. I want them to be with Apollo and Starbuck.
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| Grace: Well, of course. Nobody-
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| RDM: You're just-
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| Grace: I understand that.
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| RDM: -and essentially, it's making them- it's giving those other characters- forcing space around that relationship, for a few moments, so that you're not dealing with that interaction of, ok, now he was to resp- he has to say, "No, I'm ok, I'm fine," and whatever, and it wastes time within the scene. So you tend to try to like brush it out a little bit.
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| Grace: But in reality, I've had conversation with people where I'm like, "Blah, blah," and just keep goin' and goin' and they're just so bummed out.
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| RDM: Sure.
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| Tahmoh: And-
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| RDM: It's close enough to being true that it's valid.
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| Grace: It is true, yeah. It is true.
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| RDM: You can take a license on that.
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| Tahmoh: We all know people who've- you've had a circle of friends, that oldest group of friends who you've known for years, and there's- sometimes there's this chemistry between two people and they've never, for whatever reason, because they've been in another relationship, it's just- it's never worked out between those two, but there's always been that potential.
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| Terry: Yeah.
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| Tahmoh: And people just- you've always been part of it also so you can look past it. There's a lot of things you're not even seeing anymore.
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| Terry: That is so true.
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| RDM: It's fun to see how- it's fun to see these flashbacks of them from prior episodes, 'cause you see how different everybody was.
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| Grace: Yeah, I know.
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| RDM: I mean, people have really changed over the course of the show.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah.
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| Terry: You guys have all really changed.
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| RDM: The show has evolved.
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| Tahmoh: It's true.
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| RDM: The characters have evolved. They're not the same people they were at the beginning.
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| Terry: No.
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| RDM: That's the great thing about the show.
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| Grace: Looking back we look so innocent, and yet, at the same time, the characters are so innocent.
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| Terry: Going back to the [[miniseries]] and looking at you guys and seeing you now, it's like-
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| Grace: Babies.
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| RDM: Look at them there. That's only-
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| Tahmoh: It's just a new chapter.
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| RDM: -that's only a year ago. That's [[Season 2 (2005-06)|season two]].
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| Tahmoh: Which is so true to the show, if you think about it.
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| Grace: Yeah.
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| Tahmoh: Like everything that we've happened-
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| Terry: Well you guys (unintelligible) dreamt of what's happened to everybody.
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| Tahmoh: Everything that these characters have had to endure, like, and just suck up. (unintelligible)-
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| RDM: And the miles on-
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| Tahmoh: -keep on moving, moving on and forget about these- everything that we experienced, those people we've lost. There hasn't really been much opportunity to deal with that. These- all these people and this new (unintelligible)-
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| Grace: So sad.
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| Tahmoh: -had to deal with it and just move on. Like, we were talking about last night, how like, what I find so interesting is with this society really grasping onto the old rules that resolidify.
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| Terry: Yeah, they don't.
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| Tahmoh: Govern themselves. But they don't-
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| Terry: They don't want anymore.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah, they're not really working. A lot of them aren't working.
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| Terry: Well-
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| Tahmoh: But we're still holding onto that because it's all we know.
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| Terry: And Grace, to your question about, what's his name, Anders, "How can he not see?" In this sort of circumstance I mean, you, I mean, don't you just cling on to any little bright glimmering that you possibly can.
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| Tahmoh: Yeah.
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| Grace: That's true.
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| Terry: And shutout, if only because there's a good possibility.
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| Grace: Yeah, that's so true.
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| Tahmoh: This is a guy who was running around a planet for-
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| Terry: (Unintelligible).
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| RDM: Well and that- yeah.
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| Terry: Now he's got a light.
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| RDM: that's kinda where we kept taking Anders.
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| Terry: And this woman that he loves and he wants to believe desperately loves him.
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| Tahmoh: He really wants to believe.
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| Terry: Oh, it's true.
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| RDM: There's a certain point that Anders doesn't want to be disillusioned beyond. Like, that's why he stepped out at "[[Collaborators]]". There was a point where he was like, "I'm not doing this anymore. I can't do this anymore. This is not what I'm about. And he just left. And he walked out. It was interesting 'cause that set up one of the more defining moments of the character that have been very soft and mostly defined by his relationship with Starbuck. Oh, look at point. That was pretty much who Anders was. He was Starbuck's lover. He was-
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| Tahmoh: Exactly.
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| RDM: -the object of Starbuck's affection and desire and then "Collaborators" is really the first time he had his own story about his decisions and about what mattered to him for the first time. So then, yeah, this episode in the same way is the the same kind of thing. He's just- he's willing- he's gonna sleep with Starbuck if that's what she'll give him and then-
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| Grace: (Laughs.)
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| RDM: "Ok. See ya later." And he'll- and he's coming back. He'll just- he's- he'll keep it goin' around but he never really becomes one of them. Which is like an interesting thing, because he's one of the few characters that really isn't of the rest of the family, in a certain way.
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| Grace: Mmhmm.
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| RDM: He definitely- he feels like part of the family, yet outside in their midst.
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| Tahmoh: Mmhmm.
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| RDM: Whereas the rest of them are just caught up in their own internal disfunction, more or less.
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| Terry: [quiet] (Unintelligible).
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| RDM: Well, that is the end of the episode, and the end of the podcast.
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| Terry: So how did you guys like it?
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| Grace: Nooooo! It can't be over.
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| RDM: See, now Grace is gonna do one for every episode.
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| Grace: Yeah, I will so when's the next one.
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| RDM: This is how this starts.
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| Grace: (Laughs.)
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| Tahmoh: So, Grace and I are gonna start flying down to LA to see you guys for the weekend and a podcast.
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| Grace: (Laughs.)
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| RDM: So, thank you all for listening.
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| Grace: Thank you.
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| RDM: We will- I will talk to you next time-
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| Grace: Oh, fun.
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| RDM: -for episode nine, "[[Maelstrom]]", uh, no, not "Maelstrom", episode nine, is-
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| Grace: No, you're not ending it, are you?
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| RDM: I am.
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| Grace: No!
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| RDM: Do you have more to say?
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| Grace: Uh... I just wanna see how long I can keep this going before you actually shut it off.
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| RDM and Grace: (Laugh.)
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| RDM: Again, actresses know 'em.
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| Terry: Someone on [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showforum=24 the board] wants to know.
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| RDM: You can't kill 'em.
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| Terry: Someone on the board says, "Isn't Grace married?" Because they couldn't quite figure out why you two are here together and they wonder...
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| Grace: Ha ha ha ho... well, no. You caught me.
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| ''[Note: The remainder, starting with Terry's "put two and two" is on the MP3 version only.]''
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| Terry: The board, listen they're in there, "Wait a minute. Let's put two and two together."
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| Tahmoh: Let's put it all together.
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| Grace: [whispering] We're on a double date.
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| Terry: Grace is very happily married to Phil.
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| Tahmoh: [whispering] I think they got us.
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| Grace: [whispering] Oh shit! You mean they've-
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