Editing Podcast:The Eye of Jupiter

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== Tease ==
Hello, and welcome to the podcast. This is [[Ronald D. Moore]], executive producer and developer of [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the new ''Battlestar Galactica'']], here to welcome you to the podcast for what we call episode ten, "[[The Eye of Jupiter|Eye of Jupiter]]". I am coming to you this week from New York City, where I am in town for less than two days on non-''Galactica'' related business. And I will be sending this shortly over to the offices at Scifi Channel, here in New York, which I have actually never set foot on. I think I have been banned from the New York offices. No, I'm just kidding.

"Eye of Jupiter" was originally called "Eye of Zeus" for a very long time in draft form and into script. We changed the name, ultimately, for not very deep reasons. Just that there was something about "Eye of Zeus" that seemed a bit too mystical and a little bit too over-the-top, even for us. And that's saying somethin'. But we didn't want to- the story still was what the story was, and we didn't really wanna lose that aspect of what the episode was and the slide to call it Jupiter instead of Zeus was an arbitrary one, except it, somehow, for subject reasons that are hard to explain, it sounded a little less hokey. Some could argue it's more hokey, but it was also a nice way to broaden the pantheon, as it were, ha ha ha, of the gods and their references in the ''Galactica'' universe and the mythos, in that Zeus being the Greek name for the father of the gods, and Jupiter being the later Roman version of the same idea. And it was nice to have both names- both proper names present in the ''Galactica'' world. I believe we've used other Roman names, from time to time, as well, although of course right off the top of my head I can't remember which ones they were, but I think we have established that.

The [[algae planet]] storyline was something we talked a lot about in the writers' room and how it was gonna work into the plot. We had always wanted this to be the focal point that. That this was going to be the place where the two storylines ultimately collided. That the ''Galactica'' universe- I'm sorry, the [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] storyline would collide with the [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon baseship storyline]] that we'd been following throughout these opening episodes and this was the place that they both came for different reasons. In early versions of the outline were pretty  to where we eventually ended up. Except for the process of discovering the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of the Five]] and then the- getting to the [[Eye of Jupiter]] were slightly different in that originally they were- the people that were working on the algae collection were down here on the planet and I think [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] was going to trip over or somehow find a human bone fragment in the dirt. That in turn led them to start doing radar ground imaging of what was beneath the surface of- beneath the surface and that led to the discover that there was a whole underground city that had been buried over time, and then they were gonna start looking more in earnest. And it was right about that point when the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] were gonna show up and [[William Adama|Adama]] was going to still have a meeting with the Cylons where they told him what they were- they said, "Ok, we know you've got it, and we want it." And he basically faked his way through it and bluffed them into, "Fuck you, we're not giving it to you," and then it was like, "Ok, find this thing. What is it?" And then at that point [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and Cally and company were roaming around and they were gonna literally fall through the roof on a structure that would end up in the temple.

A lot of things got shifted in the story. Not so much for story reasons but for production reasons. One of them was just- this was a very expensive show to do, as always. We're out on location a great deal and we couldn't afford to build a lot of ruins and falling through, and there was also something - somebody pointed out, legitimately so, that we had done the gag with finding a human skull in, way back, in- on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], with [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]. And that them finding it again just felt repetitve. So we went for something a little different. The Tyrol finding the artifact- finding the temple here in the tease is more akin to a [[w:Close Encounters of the Third Kind|''Close Encounters'']] moment, is what we kept calling it. He's feeling [[w:Devils Tower National Monument|Devils Tower]] someplace, and he keeps looking around and he keeps- something draws Tyrol out into that area.

Here in the [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]-[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] scene that we, of course, just jumped out of, the idea was, ok, after the events of "[[Unfinished Business]]" and their breakthrough on- in terms of their relationship and they both admitted that they still love each other and there's something profound in between them. Well, they're still married. They still have these oth- these two other spouses, and what do they do? And I- I liked this idea that they would still become trapped. That given who they were, that Lee would be the one who's willing to divorce. That wil- Lee is like, "Ok, you know what?" Just like in "Unfinished Business", to an extent, in the flashback scenario. When he's- heres the woman he wants to be with. Here's the woman he loves. It's time to break. It's time to make a clean break with the spouses and start over and have a divorce. But that Starbuck, who is religious, who prays frequently, and who believes in the gods, she's made a vow. She made a vow and she won't break it. And that that would place them in this conundrum where she won't- he won't cheat and she won't divorce. So now what the hell do they do? And I thought that was interesting. I though it- it also got me a little deeper into the skin of Starbuck and the contradictions of who that character is. That human beings can often rationalize the strangest moral behavior on their part, and that of those things for Starbuck was gonna be that she could somehow rationalize in her mind bending the rules. She could cheat, while married. She could sleep with other men. She could do these kinds of things. But, she couldn't actually divorce. Divorce was wrong, but cheating was ok. And that Lee was exactly the opposite. Lee somehow could divorce, could break the covenant, could leave the marriage, he's also a child of divorce, but the thought of cheating, the- of lying and sneaking around was anathema to him and that that placed them in this impossible box. And that's where we wanted to go.

A lot of difficult location work in this episode, primarily because the company had- we had kinda shot out almost all the locations that were easily accessible to us in Vancouver. We had s- you've seen a lot of the same forest. You've seen a lot of that one rock quarry where we built the [[New Caprica City|New Caprica settlement]], and we didn't have a lot of other choices, and we didn't wanna just go to- I mean it was antithetical to the idea of the algae planet, to go to a planet and harvest the algae, if you were in the deep dark forest. And it was just like, "Huh?" So [[Michael Rymer]] very early on advocated the idea that we were gonna to this place called [[w:Kamloops, British Columbia|Kamloops]],  which was a fair distance away. I think it was an hour and something away f- even by plane or s- from Vancouver. Actually I shouldn't say how far away it is, 'cause I don't know for certain. But it was essentially, we had to go out there and stay out there. You couldn't just like drive back and forth from the studio. There's this thing in television about being in the zone and outside of the zone, and it's- it has to do with union rules, etc., etc. But it's all measured by how long it takes you to drive from the studio out to the location, and there's a zone where you can drive this far, and if you go further- if you go outside the zone the costs escalate and then you have to start talking about putting crew up over night, etc., etc. And we had never done it, because it's a- it's almost prohibitive and it's a company policy on behalf of the studio not to do that. But in this case we made a very strong case and Michael is a big proponent of going out much further 'cause we wanted a different look. We needed a different look for the environment, and so we pushed it through. But that added in the costs. See, all this stuff here with Tyrol, this is all Kamloops. This is all very far away. The strange thing is that it looks like Southern California, which is the odd thing. I mean there's the scrub. This looks like [[w:Bronson Canyon|Bronson Canyon]]. I mean- or up by [[w:Valencia, Santa Clarita, California|Valencia]] you could almost go out to [[w:Vasquez Rocks|Vasquez Rocks]] and find [[MemoryAlpha:James T. Kirk|Kirk]] battling the [[MemoryAlpha:Gorn|Gorn]] in this kind of terrain. But this is as close to barren as we could conceivably get. I mean, you can- the algae ocean, as a concept, should've been against barren rock and volcanic rock and that kind of environment, but we just couldn't do that. There was no way to plausibly do that sort of look. So this is as close as we could come. And it does feel barren and desolate. And out internal rationalization for it, well, there's plant life here on this planet, but that doesn't do them a lot of good. What they gonna do? They're gonna harvest all these bushes? That- in some way the processing ability that they have to make foodstuffs in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] is actually better served by finding a great deal of raw pro- raw algae. The proteins, etc., of green gooey stuff would actually suit their purposes better and give them a longer term solution to the food problems in the Fleet.

Again this is all- this beat here with Tyrol was a late developing thing. I think it happened when I was taking my pass through this script and it's very like, something is pulling me, something where? Where am I going? I don't know why, but there's something over there, kind of a feeling to it. [[Aaron Douglas|Aaron]] sells it quite well. It's like, he's clearly a man who's goin' somewhere, and you get the sense in the sequence that you- that he doesn't really know what the hell he's gonna find once he gets there. Although with this terrain I half-expect him to go through this crevice and go down it's the [[w:New York City Subway|New York subway system]] and there's guys with masks on their face looking down at him and giving him the mental barriers. That's a reference to [[w:Beneath the Planet of the Apes|''Beneath the Planet of the Apes'']] for those of you who are not fans one of the greatest film franchises of all time.

This set, the- or this location, rather, where he goes in for the temple, we've actually used before. This is actually, what is this? This is a factory. This is a cane- this is a sugar factory, I believe. I might be wrong about that. This is an old factory set. And essentially this is the same place where we shot the end of the [[miniseries]]. If you recall, on [[Ragnar Anchorage|Ragnar station]], there was a large space with a central column in the middle of it that looked very different than this, and that's where they abandoned [[Number Five|Doral]], and that's where the final shot of the miniseries with all the Cylons coming in{{podcastref|ragnarset}}. This is a return to that location, which is a different location than Kamloops. This is something more accessible to us, which is a difficult place to shoot but it has the size, scope, and scale that- of what we needed t- for the episode so we went back in, had the art department redress it and tweaked it up with some visual effects work to give it a ceiling. That tilt-up to the ceiling is completely created in CGI. There's actually a column there in the center that- surrounded by a stand of lights to light the set and then it just goes off into nothing and CG- we- visual effects created the entire cathedral-like ceiling there in the Temple of the Five.

Now I'm just watching the titles along with you. Some of these- yeah, I'm seeing some final visual effects I hadn't seen in a while. And that's the end of the tease.
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== Act 1 ==
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Part of the rationale for doing this episode was to get us back on the l- service the larger story of the show. I think one of the strengths of the show, in my personal opinion, is the variety of stories that we do. That some are very intense, personal episodes like [[Unfinished Business|episode eight]] that are very involved with just the characters and their backstories and their interrelationships. Others are more action-oriented space shows like last week's show, "[[The Passage]]", that involved a lot of flying around and things exploding, etc., etc. Other episodes are very political. This kind of episode taps into the mythology of the show. The larger stories that we're telling. The search for [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. These- this two-parter services a lot of masters. We had some discussions within the show and with various people within the show whether this was a correct move. I think [[Michael Rymer|Mike Rymer]] had some reservations about going in this direction when we first pitched the story to him and started talking about, in earnest, about the storyline. Whether we should stick with more political type shows and more personal, character-oriented type shows. And I felt, well, yes. That's great. Those are the shows that I personally love the most in a lot of ways are the ones that have no action whatsoever and that it's really just all character, all the time. But I think the show is about many things. And I think this is- the mythology of the show, the overarching story that we're telling, the search for Earth, the tale of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies|gods]], Cylon one [[God (RDM)|God]], and how those things all tie in together, I think, is also a very important part of our series. And I think that one of things I enjoy about the show is the mix, is doing different kinds of show each week. In some ways I think it's cool that there is no such thing as a typical episode of [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|''Battlestar Galactica'']]. What is the- what's the parody of the show? You can parody elements of the show and characters of the show, and you can parody dark and depressing storylines if you care to look at it that way, or that they're all gonna die. You can parody elements of it but there's not the, "Oh, it's another one of the- those ''Galactica'' episodes. 'Cause every week ''Galactica'' does the same show." And we don't do the same show every week. And I think that's one of the strengths of the show. I think it's also one of the dangers of the show. 'Cause I think you've also- there is an element to the- in the audience that very strongly wants to watch the same show every week. That's just television. You tune into a procedural show every week 'cause you wanna see a murder case every single week, and you want to always know who the murderer is by act four and you wanna sorta be surprised, and etc. And so I think when you're doing a series like this you are riding the line between challenging and surprising the show every week and also worrying about getting in the way of the audience's comfort and enjoyment of coming back for a familiar tale, a familiar meal, each week. And I tend to opt for doing something different every week. For doing something- to tell episodes from different points of view, to doing different styles, playing with different genres, and really looking at different aspects of what this universe is.

There were earlier versions of this sequence here, of [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] coming in. Mike Rymer was always in love with the idea of when Baltar's first coming back on [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']], and so was [[James Callis]]. I think I didn't quite see this as big a moment as they did, of him coming back on ''Galactica'', and I kept fighting to excise- to make this a simpler section. There was a version that was almost shot where [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] was part of the team bringing Baltar aboard the ship here in the hallways, and that as they walked and talked Baltar bummed a cigarette off of Gaeta and had a conversation about how much he found himself missing the ship even though he never thought he would, and coming to realize that based on Gaeta's reaction that he could never really go home again. Elements of that idea were saved and later put into the following scene that's coming up where they're all in the [[wardroom]] and they're having the big talk between the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and the humans. That sequence actually has a big chunk cut out of the middle of it that we'll talk about. A middle that did deal with some of the Gaeta issues.

I love this sort of walk, and the way Michael shot this walk. Especially that shot we just saw there of [[Lucy Lawless|Lucy]] coming down the corridor. There's something about the way Lucy walks through that whole sequence that's really interesting. It's just the way she balances herself on shoe- on her heels, of all things, and the look in hea- her eyes and the way she carries herself when walking through the corridors. There's something powerful and evocative and provocative about the way that Lucy behaves in the whole episode.

Here, this little beat between the [[Sharon Agathon|two]] [[Sharon Valerii|Sharons]], was a long time coming. We talked about various scenarios and different ways that the Sharon on ''Galactica'' would learn that her child was still alive and what the fallout from that was going to be. We opted for this version because it seemed the least melodramatic and the quitest. That they're both just standing out there with nothing to say to each other for a little while, and then finally the other Sharon gives it away and says what's going on.

K. Here we're in the wardroom. This is the scene I was talking about earlier. In the middle of this scene there was a section- [[Laura Roslin|Laura]] leaves this scene, in a little while. She just can't deal with listening to Baltar and she exits. At that point was when [[Cavil]] made the offer, say, "Hey! We'll throw in Baltar to sweeten the deal if you give us the [[Eye of Jupiter]]." And at that point what happened was [[William Adama|Adama]] said, "Well, that's worth thinkin' about." And so did [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]]. And Adama and Tigh both left and went out and had a separate conversation in Adama's quarters with Laura where they actually discuss the idea of whether it might be worth it to give 'em whatever they wanted and get Baltar and get the hell outta here. And ultimately, of course, decide not to. But while that was going on, you cut back into this room and Baltar and Gaeta had a little interlude where Gaeta's off smoking and Baltar comes over, bums a cigarette, and casually mentio- or not casually, quietly mentions that they should take a look at the star in this system, and Gaetea goes, "Huh? What are you talking about? The star in this system?" Baltar says, "Yeah, just take- there's something-" He indicates in some way, I can't remember the dialogue, that there's something odd about the star in this system, and that he should- it's worth looking at. And at that point the- Adama and Tigh came back in and rejected the offer. In the editing room the episode was long, as always, and in the editing room I opted to excise that entire section and collapse this all down because it didn't seem like there was really a lot for Adama to go off and talk about and think about. It seemed when you're looking at it in picture that there was just no way they were gonna give 'em what they wanted. The audience knew they were never gonna get them what they wanted, even as- even with the- Look at [[Mary McDonnell|Mary]]. Sorry. Mary's face here when Baltar begins to talk and she's just so- she just detests him so much at this point she physically cannot stay in the same room with him. She can't even look at him. And then she finally just has to leave. I felt that they woul- because you, the audience, know there's no way they're giving them the Eye of Jupiter for Baltar, it's kind of a jerkoff to go out and come back, and that really the only reason that it existed was for Baltar to give this information to Gaeta. And we just decided that, you know what, Gaeta can discover this on his own. Which is a- ironically the way it was in the original story outline. Gaeta was going to discover that information on his own and tell ''Galactica'' about it. And somewhere in the drafting we decided that- to give- we wanted to give Baltar something that made him be trying to be on the side of the angels, still. He still doesn't see himself as a villain. He still doesn't see himself as completely part of the Cylon agenda. He's trying to warn ''Galactica'', help them, reach out, in some way convince them of his good intentions. He still wants to be thought of as a good guy. Despite everything that's happened. So he was going to clue us into the star to try to help and then we would be suspicious of his motives, etc., etc. It was right at that point, when Tigh says, "Worth thinking about," that they walked out. Yeah. "This is definitely worth thinking about." You can see he- [[Edward James Olmos|Eddie]] starting to leave in that scene. You just- he moves his shoulders ever so slightly like he was gonna exit.

Now we go back out to Sharon on Sharon. (Laughs.) I was '''wish''' it was Sharon on Sharon. No. It's just Sharon '''and''' Sharon. We started playing with this idea that Boomer, who's here, here on the right, that Boomer had now and Sharon had kinda crossed completely. That Sharon in the uniform was now very much on our team and Boomer had returned to her people, which was interesting and ironic given where the positions where they started. And also that Boomer was having trouble with the baby. That Boom could not bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]. And it was driving her a little nuts. It was driving them all a little nuts, and there was bitterness and resentment. And we actually, we stroked out various versions of her struggling to deal with baby Hera, and ultimately they just kept getting cut, and cut, and cut. And there's a lit- there's some hints of the difficulties between Boomer and Hera that you'll in the second part. There was a version of this scene where Sharon pressed some kind of chip- Boomer pressed some kind of chip into Sharon's hand in this sequence and that Sharon went off and it allowed her to [[projection|project]] herself over to the [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon ship]], in the way that Cylons project, and she could see her child, and she could see the problems that they were having, and that's what made it real. Ag- it was utimately a little confusing and it was yet more complications in the story that we didn't need and we- you feel at some point, well the audience knows it's true. The audience knows Hera's over there. And the audience doesn't need to be convinced and neither should Sharon. So once Boomer tells her what's going on, tells her the truth, that would be enough and that Sharon would essentially take that information, react to that, and didn't need anything more.

Small bit of editing there that I thought was nice, that elevates it slightly, is when she says, "You're bluffing," there was a scripted line and a shot line where Eddie said, "Try me," and then he asked the guards. And by just taking out the, "Try me," which you kind of hear, it's one of those expected lines in some way that you hear a lot in TV and you know is coming, and it tends to rob the moment of its impact. And by just taking that out it lets the moment speak for itself and it's actually a stronger out for the scene. 
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== Act 2 ==
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I'm trying to orient myself here on why we did certain things. You'll notice that there's a lot of sequences down on [[algae planet|the planet]] that are either in a [[Raptor]], or in a tent, or in the [[The Temple of Five|temple]]. That's because even though we did spend like all this extra money to go out on location, there still wasn't enough time to shoot everything that we wanted to shoot. So you had to make some choices. There's scenes like this, in the Raptor, that you can set on the soundstage and fake, and you fake them by having a bright sunshine coming through the windows, or through the door, or through the hatch, or whatever. And the same thing with the tents. You could set up the tents in such a way, on the stage, to fake where you are and save your precious location days for when you're actually outside doing location stuff.

This storyline on the planet surface of [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Kara Thrace|Kara]] and [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] and [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] was actually a little bit more involved both in script and then even in filming, in that, we wanted to play a lot more of Anders as the de facto leader of the civilians. That ok, there were all these civilians on the planet in work parties, and they were used to working with Anders. That he was a natural leader of the civilians because he had been the [[New Caprica Resistance|resistance leader]], [[Caprica Resistance|twice]], and they all listened to him and then there was heavy resistance of them taking Lee as the commander once it- this became a military operation. They were all gonna put their lives on the line and there became this break where Lee needed to use the civilians to defend the temple. His methods weren't working as well. He was forced to go to Anders. Anders has his own issues with Lee. So it was this interesting, complex thing of the two groups and the conflict between them. One of the reasons that it kept getting cut down was time. 'Cause you needed to build out those conflicts. You needed to spend more time with who these people were. You needed to have others- military people beyond our key players, see sergeants, etc., privates, having conflict with the civilians. Which we used to do. In the tease of the old version there were like- even as they were, before the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] showed up, when they were like just trying to collect the algae, the civilians and the military weren't getting along very well. And you had to keep that going all through the script, in both parts. And the problem was it just kept chewing up time and it was more people, it was more speaking parts, we had this huge show, and you kept paring it down, paring it down. And then, more fundamentally than that, once we got to- when I was taking the pass through the final, my final pass through the script, I think one of the decisions was it's really not about that. It really wasn't about civilian versus military, really. It was really about the quartet, as we kept calling them. It was really about Lee, and Kara, and Anders, and Dualla. And about their relationships. And so it boiled down to its essence  to get to a place where, ok, Lee does turn to Anders 'cause he's forced to and Anders comes through, but they're both gonna have to fight side by side. And the civilian/military division is more implicit than explicit.

This whole bit of stuff with [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] and [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]], Cally getting ready to- they're all getting ready to blow the temple in case the Cylons get here. There was some interesting stuff to do in terms of Tyrol, who we'd established as the son of a religious family. He was- his mo- his father was a priest, his mother was an oracle. Now here he his in this very holy place, this place that he may not even have believed in when he was a kid. (Laughs.) Love that. He used to dance around naked with porn mags in the holiest of holies. Which is something, I think, any, speaking as an ex-Catholic, anyone who was raised Catholic has certain fantasies about how to defy everything that you- "Aaaah! Here I am with the- I'm at the altar. I'm doing this horrible, profane thing just to prove that I can." And in some ways I think that's funny that Tyrol actually did it and it's like, "Whoah." But, more to the point, there was something that- for- in the same way that he was drawn here for something he can't name, for reasons he can't name at the beginning, now he's in the place and he feels something that he can't name either. That, again, there's some legitimacy to the worship that- of the gods that they're dealing with. There is some legitimacy to the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies|religion]] and the aspects of faith in the episode. And that we don't just pay lip service to it. That it actually moves people, touches people, influences their actions, informs their lives and their decisions and what they do. And the conflict about what's he gonna do. Is he really gonna blow up this place, this very special place? Is that really what he's come here to do? Is that possible?

Yeah, see this is now [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]]. This- we looped all this in later, 'cause he used to be saying, "I followed up on what [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] said abou- at first I didn't believe Baltar, but then I couldn't help myself and I checked into the star after what Baltar told me and then discovered this thing."

Now there were other scenes that we were going- that I th- I believe we scripted in various versions that had Baltar and [[Number Three|D'anna]] over- had Baltar and D'anna over with the [[Hybrid]] talking to the Hybrid more, getting a little bit more of insight into what- where- what the temple was down down there, how to find the [[Eye of Jupiter]] and what it would all mean to them and to his quest to find out whether he's a Cylon and her quest to discover what lies between life and death and who are the final five. Ultimately it got cut because we felt like we had said everything we needed to say with the Hybrid and D'anna and Baltar in "[[The Passage]]" and we didn't need another piece of it. The Hybrid came to a conclusion as a storyline because we had just done as much as we wanted to, but it- we kept talking about earlier versions leading up to this episode where there was going yet more con- lots of conversations with the Hybrid. The Hybrid was gonna have a different relationship between Baltar than it would with D'anna. Her crazed gibberish was gonna give each of them something slightly different. They were gonna have different- slightly different motivations going into the finale- or the mid-season finale when they got down on the planet. Ultimately, again, a lot of that went by the wayside, more in terms of clarity, I think, than in terms of story time. We- it was getting a little too dense. It was a little too difficult to dramatize. It was very internal. It was something that would have played a little bit better in prose, as a novel perhaps, the interaction and the deeper meanings of everything that the hybrid was saying and how it affected the two of them as a character, and it just became too much. "Too much of a muchness," as [[w:Ira Steven Behr|Ira Behr]] used to say.

You're starting to see here in the [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon baseship]], or you've been seeing for a while, the growing divisions within the ranks. And you're seeing that whereas once they stood together, the divisions that had been growing and festering are now becoming more pronounced. The [[Cavil]]s are pushing in one direction, and that the D'annas are pushing in another direction, and now she's actually taking action without telling the others, and that's becoming a real problem, and you're starting to see the outlines of, if not individualization within the Cylons, at least like actual coalitions starting to form. That the D'annas and the [[Number Six|Six]]es are- and to some extent the [[Number Eight|Boomer]]s are forming a coalition and that the Cavils and the [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]]s and the [[Number Five|Doral]]s are another coalition, and [[Simon]]s by implication. I actually wrote up a document called "Life on the Cylon Baseship" which outlined a lot of those things and how the different models react and thought and we did that- I did that before we really got into the baseship stuff as a guidepost for the audience- for the cast members.
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== Act 3 ==
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I love the [[w:Derrick#Oil_derrick|oil derrick]] there in the background. That's, like, a nice piece of business.

This scene is- we cut into the middle of this scene. There was actually another speech to begin this scene where [[Lee Adama|Lee]] had addressed all of them together. There's also military people in this room that you can't see in these particular shots. But Lee had outlined the responsibilities of the military and the responsibility of the civilians, and then you turn it over to [[Samuel Anders|Anders]]. Anders, who talked to the civilians in a different way. Was the- the idea that Lee gives things in a very military order, this is how it's gonna be, this is your job. And then Anders had a little bit more of a human touch going in. That wasn't an idea that entirely came through successfully. I think it was a little too subtle and it just- it also didn't ring true in that I think Lee is- it's interesting. When Lee is in front of his troops, be they pilots or ground people like this, Lee comes alive and he ''is'' a charismatic leader and he does- he ''is'' able to communicate to the people that work beneath him very well, whether they were civilian or military. And Anders talking to them didn't seem that dramatically different. 

This I love. This little beat between Anders and Lee. Where Anders is- Anders knows what the hell is going on. Anders is no fool. Yeah, "Don't insult me." And that- what I really like is when Anders said, "You think you're the first?" He knows [[Kara Thrace|Kara]]. It seemed like if you marry Kara Thrace, if you'd been with her for a long time, and you married that woman, you know what you're getting. You'd have to be a complete idiot not to know who Kara was. And that Kara goes out and tomcats around. Kara sleeps around every once and a while, and you can't stop her and you have to either accept it, or get out of it. And Anders accepts it, and moves on. And he may not like it, but he's not willing to break up the marriage over it, 'cause he loves Kara as- equally as well. And you could say, "Oh, that makes it weak," and, "Oh, he's being [[w:Cuckold|cuckolded]]," and this and that. But people make arrangments for their marriages that they never think that they would and people make compromises that they never think that they would. And I think it's a- never underestimate the depth of what people are able to rationalize to themselves. 

Oh I forgot. Yeah, we did do one more [[Hybrid]] scene this episode. Sorry, I totally forgot. This doesn't give you a lot more information. The scenes I was thinking that we- there were actually another scene on top of this one that got cut in the writing that got much more in depth of the two characters and it was a much more extended piece of [[Number Three|D'anna]] and [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]. That scene got cut. We did opt to keep this, mostly because of the entrance of [[Caprica-Six]] here. Caprica-Six coming in, and again, she's no fool, either. I like the fact that things are happening but the supporting- the periph- the spouses in the human equation and then the other [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] in this equation are completely aware that what's going on. That none of these people are fools. And they do see the relationships, and they do see a lot of the things the way the audience does. But that doesn't mean that these things change. And look at Baltar. Baltar caught in between- here's Caprica-Six, the woman that has sacrificed so much, that was willing to risk everything. But Baltar's need to know- his need to know if he's a Cylon, in his own truth, outweighs even his feelings for Caprica-Six and binds him to D'anna, in a way that I think he never expected. And that they can't even talk about it.

I think Caprica-Six is a very interesting character. I think she's a very sympathetic character. I think that that's an ironic, interesting place to take an- a character who began the series by killing a [[Armistice Officer|man]], snapping a baby's neck, and participating in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|genocide of a race]], that now she's one of the most sympathetic characters in the show. And I think that's a tribute to, in a large measure, to [[Tricia Helfer|Tricia]]'s portrayal of  a very complex character with many different sides to her. And it's also a tribute to Trish in that we've had many versions of [[Number Six|Six]]. From [[Gina]], to Caprica-Six, to the [[Cylon-Related_Hallucinations#Baltar.27s_Internal_Six|fantasy Six in his head]], to [[Shelly Godfrey]], and that Tricia is able to make them all distinct individuals, that I don't think get confused very often, which I think is an amazing thing. That she really does differentiate them all in her performance.

A lot of this material, the is a [[David Weddle|David]] & [[Bradley Thompson|Bradley]] did a lot of this work in figuring out how different things were gonna be defended. David and Bradley went to [[w:Kamloops, British Columbia|Kamloops]] and worked a lot with the terrain with [[Michael Rymer]], figuring out how they would set up their observation posts, where would be the places they would try to get to the Cylons to come through. They were going to set- there were versions of the script that set up big [[tylium]] deposit- they were gonna pour tylium in big trenches and gulleys and set them on fire to stop the Cylon advance, etc., etc. A lot of that, unfortunately went by the wayside, but David and Bradley really had a firm grasp on the small unit tactics that were involved in defending this location. And they did a great job with it.

One of the underlying assumptions, of course, "Why don't the Cylons just come in and blast all these people to smithereens with their one [[Heavy Raider|Raider]] or whatever," is that they don't know where the [[Eye of Jupiter]] is and they're just as likely to destroy it if they with- if they just come in guns ablazin' than not. So they have to be careful. And that's what give our guys an advantage is that they know that they can't just wipe them all out with some huge titanic explosion. That the Cylons actually have to be careful and get in there and get to the [[The Temple of Five|temple]] undamaged.

Again, some nice visu- VFX work here. The missile, the [[Raptor]]. 

I think originally we had Starbuck on the ground and her outpost was gonna be overrun.
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Like I was saying earlier- well, I'll come to the st- but this scene. This was much discussed, too. What does [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] do when she finds out that [[Hera|her baby]] is alive? We had versions of her going and confronting [[Laura Roslin|Laura]] and almost attacking Laura physically. That seemed a little over-the-top. It seemed right that she would go to [[William Adama|Adama]]. You don't need to see the Adama scene, but you do need to see Adama go to Laura. And there was a longer version of this scene that we did shoot, which I quite like, but ultimately cut, where once she cops to the fact that this is true Adama sits in the chair for a beat and then he gets up and then he goes into the bathroom and takes off his shirt and he just starts shaving. And Laura goes to the doorway and keeps explaining and rationalizing and telling him why she made the decisions that she did and try to get through to him, and he's just like giving her nothin'. He's just like shaving in the mirror furiously and ignoring her. And at some point she says, "Ok. What do I need to do here, Bill?" And he says, "Well, I could use a towel." And she gives him a towel, and he finally says, "This is a fuckin' problem. You shoulda told me." And it was interesting that that was his reaction with her. That he didn't just like flip out on her but he just like turned away from her and just wasn't even gonna give her the time of day and put her in a weak position. See there he is, he's actually going to the bathroom. In this version he's leaving, which is a better cut. It's more dramatic. The other scene went on a bit long and you didn't need to hear all of Laura's rationalization about all the why's and how's that she did. What was important was to get to this, 'cause the audience really wants to get to that it's true. That it's been confirmed, that it's not just some crazy trick cooked up by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. That there's really an honest thing to it.

I like the look on Sharon's face here. Yeah, "I wanna see her." That's all she cares about. It's an interesting way to play it. And it's not the way that we talked about playing it initially. It was usually written as something with a lot more fireworks and scene chewing and we just ultimately decided to go against that and play it down, and the emotion of the scene, I think, comes through much stronger.

This out actually was a little bit different, as scripted. We were gonna play a true standoff where [[Lee Adama|Lee]] wouldn't let him go after [[Kara Thrace|Kara]], she was gonna be in a- like I alluded to earlier, she was gonna be in an outpost that had been overrun as opposed to being in the [[Raptor]] at some point, and then we decided we just wanted to do a Raptor and have somethin' a little sexier. And there was gonna be a true standoff on the ground where Lee says, "No you can't go." [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] says, "The fuck I am. I'm going." Lee pulls a gun. Then one of Ander's peoples pulls a gun and before you know it everybody in that room had guns pointed at one another and it was a real [[w:Mexican standoff|Mexican standoff]] by the end, and then we were out. And as we went through the draft, I think [[Michael Rymer]] always kept feeling that that was false, it didn't feel right, just felt phony. And we opted to go for a simpler version where Lee really does have the upper hand there.

This sequence is actually something we shifted in editing. This was gonna take place, I think, was the act two or act three break, where Adama sees [[Heavy Raider|Cylon Raider]]s heading down towards [[algae planet|the planet]] surface and threatens to launch weapons at them and it was an act break earlier in the show, and then we opted to slide it to the end of this episode, 'cause it seemed like a much stronger ending to the first part, especially 'cause it gave me a chance to intercut it between this scene and that scene. That you had the conflict down on the planet surface and the standoff in orbit, and that both things were coming to a head simultaneously. That seemed like the best way to go here, so that gave us an act out. And to play through the sequence of the release of nuclear weapons and what's Adama gonna do? What's Laura gonna do? Where is this all gonna go from here? And t- oh this is all new effects. It was like, we kept joking in post about, "Oh, and then there's these missiles that you didn't know that you had that pop up on the [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] hull," which I think is valid. I mean, yeah, we haven't seen 'em before, but you know what? They only have a few nukes. Adama made that clear very early on, and whatever nukes they still got from [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']], they still don't have a lot, so they're probably not using them every week in any kind of tactical situation. They're gonna husband those nukes until they absolutely have to use them.

And then this cutaway down to [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] in the [[The Temple of Five|temple]] is for no other purpose than to just remind you that it's there to make it feel like all things are coming to a climax simultaneously, which is the way that we like to do our midseason cliffhangers.

A lot of this is reminicent, in some ways, of the standoff scenes in any good submarines movie. [[w:The Hunt for Red October (film)|''Hunt for Red October'']] or [[w:Crimson Tide (film)|''Crimson Tide'']], etc., etc. Opening doors, cutting to the other ship, "They've opened the doors. What are we gonna do?" It's [[w:Brinkmanship|brinksmanship]]. Will the Cylons turn back? Is Tyrol gonna find the [[Eye of Jupiter]]? Where is the Eye? What is the Eye? Will Lee and Adama- will- sorry, not Lee and Adama.  Lee and Anders work out their thing? Is Lee gonna blow his head off? And this takes us to our climax. This- we will now go on to a hiatus for the Christmas holliday, and then we're gonna come right back in January. I will talk to you all then. I hope that you're all with us then, and I hope you bring more of your friends. (Chuckle.) Watch in January. Remember, everybody. Don't forget. Tell everybody. We are switching nights. We are gonna be on Sunday night after [[w:The Dresden Files (TV series)|''Dresden Files'']] beginning in January. And I will talk to you all then when we- on episode eleven, "[[Rapture]]". Until then, good night and good luck. Have a great holliday season, and I will talk to you next year. Thank you for listening.
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