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== Teaser ==

Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm [[Ronald D. Moore]], executive producer and developer of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|new  ''Battlestar Galactica'']]. And I'd like to welcome you to the podcast for episode "three b", as we like to call it around the office. This is "[[Exodus, Part II|Exodus, Part Deux]]". I'll be pulling a solo tonight. [[Terry Dresbach|Mrs. Ron]] is not, unfortunately, with us. Smokes are [[Wikipedia:Natural American Spirit|American Spirit]]. And the Scotch is [http://www.whisky.com/brands/glenrothes_brand.html Glenrothes]. So. "Exodus, Part II." 

As we discussed [[Podcast:Exodus, Part I|last week]], "Exodus" was originally one episode. It was written and shot to be a single episode but there was so much story material within it, so many things had to be accomplished that I knew fairly early on that, really, we were probably going to be looking to split this sucker into two parts. Which actually would help us in terms of production, because this initial storyline on [[New Caprica]] was so expensive. It sent us deeply, deeply into the hole very early with all the sets and all the locations. Big numbers of extras. Lots of visual effects. That we were already in the hole to begin the season, and if we could split an episode, if we could split one episode into two parts, and get two episodes for the price of one, in essence, that would go a long, long, long way towards helping us make up a fairly significant deficit over the course of the season. So there was, like, a strong economic reason to do it very early on, as well as the creative. When creative and economic combine, you usually find a way to do it, and that's what happened in this case.

I also talked about last week, the fact that this episode cleaved itself very nicely at the midway point with Adama getting 'em all ready to go, and then us finally going. When the two episodes were cut- were edited together, we still had to go back and do some pickup scenes. This scene here at the top of the show in the tease with [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] is one of the pickup scenes that we shot much later, and went back. It was nice to visit with Lee and Dualla and deal with the fact that he's out with the remnants of humanity. That they're trying to make the best of a bad situation. But that he's having trouble living with it. The same way that his father did. So that was a nice echo of the fact he is his father's son on some level and that just as his dad had real trouble with turning his back on those people, that Lee would have trouble turning his back on his dad and those people.

We'll talk about the storyline of the [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] and how it changed over the drafts a little bit later but, suffice to say, essentially the original story line as constructed always invisioned the destruction of the ''Pegasus''. That was always something that we were going to do at the beginning of this season. I liked having the ''Pegasus'' with [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]]. I thought it was an interesting vessel to have with us. It was interesting that we kept it around as long as we did. But there was something pure about the fact that the battlestar is the last surviving warship and that we did not have this other even bigger and more powerful aircraft carrier sitting off the port bow, as it were. And also there was practical considerations in that the ''Pegasus'' sets were eating up studio space that we didn't really have. We had to build all the ''Pegasus'' sets on an adjacent sound stage to our normal main sets and this season we had this, this storyline of mine that we'll be getting to in the very next episode that takes place on a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]]. And we needed a place to build the Basestar sets. This is really where TV production considerations come in and can really affect the creative arcs of the show. Even though I was predisposed to get rid of the ''Pegasus'' within this storyline because it felt like the right time to do it. The ''Pegasus'' should go out with a noble sacrifice and should go in an epic battle that really meant something in the life of the series, and meant something to Lee Adama when it finally went down. The thing that really tipped it over the edge was, well, "What gives us the best bang for the buck in the show? Where do we really want to spend our time?" When you have ''Pegasus'' we had to populate it, we had to keep people over there. You were always bouncing back and forth between the two ships. ''Pegasus'' was a very limited set, in that we didn't have very much. We had, essentially, this room, which was always the Commander's quarters, we had the [[CIC]] in ''Pegasus'', and a stretch of corridor, and a multipurpose room that we turned into the [[brig]] and we turned into their [[Pilot Ready Room|ready room]], etc. But that was it. So, we didn't have much else to do over on ''Pegasus'' and when we did try to do other things it was very, very difficult.

This story. The story of [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] and [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] was something we decided very early on that we were gonna do. That Ellen's price that she would pay would be a severe one. That she had collaborated with the Cylons, even though it was- she was in a difficult situation with no real way out, she was trying to do the best she could for her husband. She tried to get him out of [[New Caprica Detention Center|a jail]], and she did get him out of jail, but then when they pressured her she bent. And she gave them the map. And men died. And Tigh's the leader of the [[New Caprica Resistance|resistance]]. Ultimately knew that something had to be done about that. And that he was gonna be the man that had to do it.

This storyline. The storyline of Ellen and Tigh, I believe was structured to happen earlier. It was gonna happen in the [[Exodus, Part I|first hour]] of the- of "Exodus" and I think it was shot that way, but as we were splitting them into two pieces there was a certain amount of horse trading about, "Ok. Which scene should live in which episode?" And the story of Ellen and Tigh was such a strong and powerful emotional piece that I really felt that it belonged in the second hour, not in the first hour. That it really, gave you somewhere to go.

And now we're out of the- out of the tease.

== Act 1 ==
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Oh. Ok. Now we're back. Ok. We always knew this was gonna be a heart-wrenching scene. It was a heart-wrenching storyline. It was particularly heart-wrenching as well for us among the cast and the crew and the production team because it meant saying goodbye to [[Kate Vernon]]. When [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] first came aboard [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']] in [[Season 1 (2004-05)|season one]] in "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", none of us really had an idea where we were gonna take that character 'cause it was- she was a force of nature, she was a survivor, she was fun, she was different than anybody else in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'' world]]. She didn't seem to fit in with anybody else. She just wouldn't play by their rules and be the good wife. She had a completely fucked up marriage, nevertheless a marriage that worked, and they were a really interesting duo. And as she continued to be one of the members of our family we all started to fall in love with her and the character. And then we came up with this great storyline for her. Trapped in this position, and then having to die. And, I gotta tell you it's one of the more emotional things we've done on the show, was killing this character and it was heart-wrenching for me to tell Kate. And [[David Eick|David]] and I both called Kate and told her and it was very hard. It was very difficult. It felt like a member of the family was dying and she took it hard and we took it hard and it was hard on everyone. But I have to say that this scene is just magnificent. It's an amazing piece of acting by both these actors. And it moves me every time I see it. And it's really, I think, an interesting place that we've taken this character that came on and was so flighty on some level, and not serious, and silly, and very sexual, and just sorta conniving, and then in a crisis, when- in the hell that was [[New Caprica]] this character dies but there's a certain nobility to her death and there's a certain- She goes out in an honorable way, if you think about it. 'Cause she really was trying to do the very best she could. And it's tragic. It's a tragic loss. And the fact that [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] kills her. Tigh kills her by his own hand. Sitting with her. Looking at her. Hands her the cup. Does she know? Does she know? I think she might know. Tigh says very little in this scene and yet [[Michael Hogan|Hogan]] is giving us so much. I mean, it's just a beautiful piece. It's a beautiful piece in the life of the show. And it's just so tragic and it's so emotionally frought and it just brings an end to something that began literally in one this first scenes in the [[miniseries]]. One of the first things you learn ab- in fact, the first thing you learn about Tigh, other than the fact that he drinks, is that he has this crazy wife that people make fun of and that he's very defensive about, and yet that he clearly feels very deeply about. And he feels very deeply about this woman until the very end. And then this- this event in this man's life will reverberate throughout the rest of the [[Season 3 (2006-07)|season]]. This is a loss that he doesn't recover from very easily, if ever. And how could he do anything else? He couldn't do anything else and look at himself in the mirror, in a way. And there was a certain code he lived by. A certain code he held his men to. A harsh code. And in the end he had to impose that same harsh code on himself and his wife 'cause he expected his men to follow as well.

The escape plan and the fire and all that, I think I talked about that [[Podcast:Exodus, Part I|this last week]], was something that came up while we were working through the drafts of exactly what would be the way that the- what would be the cover that would allow them to get off the planet. This little scene, though, was added much later in that it starts to show that [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] has been in there trying to tell them things that they haven't been listening to. That he tried to tell them, in his own way, that what they were doing on New Caprica was a mistake. That it wasn't working very well and that they should have listened to him all along. "And what would you have us do?" "Just leave. Just leave." And what would they have done? I think that's an interesting question too. If not for the rescue attempt, had things deteriorated to the point where they would actually have listened to Gaius Baltar? Probably not. Because of the fact- because of what [[Number Three|D'anna]] says here. The [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] are all too aware of the fact that vengeance is something that runs deep in the human spirit and indeed it runs deep in Cylons because they are so much like us. That they really would tell their children and their children's children about the tale of the Cylons and that one day you must go find those people that [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destroyed our civilization]] and you must destroy them. And that is one of the more interesting things about, I think, humanity. Is that for all of our more noble qualities- for all the better angels of our nature, there is this part that doesn't forget. That always says, "I was wronged by your father's father's father, or my family was wronged by your father's father's father a million years ago and I'm still holding that grudge today. Because I passed that on and I will pass it on to my children." And that's tragic. And it means that on some level that the conflict can never end.

Ok. Now we're into a whole- this is [[Félix Enríquez Alcalá|Felix]] at his best. Felix is now going to deliver to you, ladies and gentleman, a great deal of information in a lot of visual strokes. And we're gonna- we don't have huge sets to work with. The time constraints are punishing. The budgetary constraints are forced on him are punishing. And he has to give us the exodus, the escape from New Caprica, of thousands of people with battles and all kinds of storylines in and around them and it's a challenge. This is why we had Felix do this episode. Because I knew that Felix could really deliver it. Now some of those shots you'll recognize. There was an angle, right there that shot of the two guys running towards the [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] goal is actually something we stole in part one and put it over the section where [[Laura Roslin|Laura]] was doing her voiceover and she's talking about insurgents and you didn't re- That shot was actually in the earlier context it was just a generic insurgents shot, and actually it was something we stole from this sequence.

Love all the [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] flying overhead. They're dealing with a major fire, a conflagrations are setting- are being set off all around the city. And then the insurgents get their weapons and start fighting and try and get to the airfields and it's chaos.

Meanwhile... Now this storyline was different in the original draft. The original draft storyline of the rescue had to do with both [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]] working together. [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] and ''Galactica'' would come to the rescue. And what was going to happen was that ''Galactica'' was gonna appear to be destroyed. They were gonna set off a nuke at the same time that they were being hit by the Cylons and during the flash, during the brilliant bright flash of the nuke going off, ''Galactica'' was going to [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series#Faster than Light Travel|jump away]] and jump into a very low orbit over New Caprica and try to be a- try to play escort ship and fight off the Cylons as the civilians came above. And as I was working through my draft it didn't- I was having trouble just making it work and tracking it. There's a lot of times you think things work well in story and then you find out that they don't work as well on the page as you thought that they would. And I was also looking for ways to- I wanted to call back the training manuever that we saw all the way back in "[[Occupation]]" and make that play into it. So you saw that they were working on the same maneuver. And so as I was working the logic of the scene I started with the training maneuver. And it was like, "Ok. What were those guys training?" They were sending out [[Swallow|drones]]. And what are the drones about? Maybe the drones are simulating battlestars. And then I came up with this thing about, "Ok. It's two- the drones are the decoys making the Cylons think that the two battlestars have arrived." And in the original storyline what happened was after ''Galactica'' jumped away, after the fake nuke allowed ''Galactica'' to jump away from the Cylons, the Cylons started pounding on ''Pegasus'' which was supposed to be fleeing, trying to run away. And that it was trailing coolant, and so on, like a wounded beast and that the Cylons were gonna be smelling blood and going after the wounded battlestar, not realizing that the other battlestar was really still alive. And then eventually what was gonna happen- see now I'll just talk through the blacks 'cause I've had a Scotch.

== Act 2 ==
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[[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] really was gonna be destroyed and [[Lee Adama|Lee]] was gonna make it a suicide mission from that point.