Editing Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Move Squad

Suggestion: Automatically confer move priveleges on registered users after 100 edits? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:50, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:I like that idea --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 13:44, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:100 "usefull" edits. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:22, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
::Ugh. I'm loathe to count up individual edits to determine "usefullness". If by "useful", you mean non-spam/vandalism I would agree (although hopefully they'd be blocked long before they hit 100). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:25, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::: Yes. Let us say "100 non-vandal edits". I don't know how we'd even define useful. Fixing a single typo is useful, especially if they fixed a single typo in 100 different articles. That's a lot of proof-reading. And that's a ''minor'' edit. As long as we're not looking at 100 edits to link Canadian drugs or whatever, I think we're in the clear. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 15:40, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

: Let's not be too picky with the criteria here. 100 non-vandal edits should suffice. Obviously, we should probably make use of the {{tl|move}} template and appropriate categories for users under the 100 edit mark, so new users can suggest moves. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 18:09, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== LocalSettings.php Settings ==

<pre>
$wgGroupPermissions['trusted']['move'] = true;
</pre>

== Final? ==

If there are no other objections, comments, or concerns regarding this, I would like to get this rolling. Please comment within the next 2 days, thank you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:52, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} Sounds good to me :) --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:03, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
:We're "go" here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:10, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} I'm just gonna vote. I'll re-vote if this dosen't count. Mayber we can call this a two-day voting period in which people can still debate/call for delay/change their votes? Or is there intended to be a longer such period following the two days mentioned by Joe? --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 00:21, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} granting move privs to users after 100 edits. Suggest also considering a 2-3 day minimum registration period. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:56, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} Privs to the people! I'm not sure what kind of "restrictions" are easily coded, but Peter's suggestions sound reasonable. (Avoids granting move privs to highly productive vandals, and gives admins a day or two window to block them). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:03, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{oppose}} I think we should confer Move ability on a case by case basis:  remember when that troll moved 300 things in the space of 3  hours?  An automatic spam bot could easily gain 100 edits within say 30 minuts, and for another 2 hours move 500 things around (supposing they time this at the dead of night when we're not around and international users like Mercifull are busy); the results would be disasterous.  I am rather in favor of the Administrators confering this (liberally) to new users who are obviously not spammers.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:16, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
::'''Comment:'''I think that reasoning may have driven the 2-3 day "waiting period" that Peter mentioned.[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:32, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Yes, that was what I had in mind. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:21, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Oh okay, yeah with a waiting period {{support}} --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 22:09, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} I am fine with granting this to people with over 100 edits and a two to three day waiting period. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:25, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} Once you update the wiki, you should be able to add this to the localsetting.php with ease. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 02:25, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

== Finalized ==

I've finalized this. The page can be located at [[Battlestar Wiki:Page Moves]] (or at the [[BW:MOVE]] shortcut). As it is almost 4 in the morning, I am off to sleep and might have missed something. So if anyone has any issues, feel free to correct them or let me know. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 02:53, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

== Autoconfirmed ==

I know this is an ancient discussion, but I'd like to point out that it's technically ''possible'' (that's different from ''advisable'') to automatically grant move privileges to users who have made X edits, and/or have registered X days ago. Wikipedia does this as well (accounts older than 4 days get move privileges), and also protects some pages like [[w:George Bush]] this way (only accounts older than 4 days can edit it). What I'm saying here is that it's ''possible'' to auto-assign move rights to (using examples from earlier discussion) anyone who has 100 edits and has registered at least 3 days ago.

The real question of course is whether we want this. A spambot could potentially register, lay low for 3 days, make 100 edits quickly and then start moving stuff around. The bright side is that when MediaWiki 1.12 is released, I'll be able to write up a simple bot that automatically reverts '''all''' actions by a certain user, edits and moves alike. Additionally, 1.12 will allow for throwing a confirmed e-mail address into the mix (i.e. allow move for any account older than 3 days AND with more than 100 edits AND with a confirmed e-mail address). In 1.11 (the current version), it's either/or (either the age+editcount combi, or a confirmed e-mail address).

Clarification of title: the lines to enable this in LocalSettings.php are
<pre>
$wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['move'] = true;
$wgAutoConfirmAge = 3600*24 * 3; // 3 days
$wgAutoConfirmCount = 100;
</pre>

Thoughts? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:43, 3 January 2008 (CST)