Editing Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Episode Standardization

Well I agree in general but could you point out specifically what you'd like to standardize?  For example, I mean like pick one episode article in particular and say what about it should be standardized but more importantly ''how''.  

I myself was going to propose something like "standardize the Analysis sections", but I think that would fall under this:  '''Our Analysis sections are in great need of standardization, but I was reluctant to change them myself for fear of ruffling feathers'''.----------------->Case in point, the Analysis for "[[Colonial Day]]" is...incredibly POV:  this isn't a blog where we're writing an "episode review" in the Analysis section, Analysis is more for theorizing and pointing out trends.  I mean yes like in Black Market we can point out "this episode has a lot of problems", but I think I tried to keep it to a minumum in there.  ----->With everyone I've ever seen Colonial Day with at DVD parties and such, or on BSG messageboards, Colonial Day ranks as one of the favorites of Season 1.  By the late season they really got good at scripting for the characters.  But the analysis section of Colonial Day says right on the front line flatly that "This is the most poorly-conceived and executed episode in BSG's first season".  It's POV for *me* to say I like it, but I still think that objectively, yes it had a good script  I've already marked it for cleanup.

So I don't know specifically what you wanted to standardize about the episode guides, but the Analysis section is something I've been meaning to fix up, but was afraid about consensus for.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:25, 9 July 2006 (CDT)

:What really started me on this is that the first season episodes have the summary from Sci-Fi channel (which should I think should be in the episode article until it is aired). Those kind of things. Also, going back through "Questions" is probably a good idea. At least make the articles all "look" the same. However, you are correct about the "Analysis" section. I think that it is a fine line between "Analysis" and "Speculation" (which I personally unintentionally drift toward). We can add "Analysis" specifically to this project if you wish or it can be done as a followup. Do you have a particular article that you think the "Analysis" is a good example of "how-to"? I just think that if we have an "example" article, it would save on some discussions on individual articles. I made the proposal "thin" so others can add ideas to it. This is not "my" project, but something I am proposing from "us" to do. Also, I too have been thinking about how to rewrite the [[Colonial Day]] analysis which is clearly biased. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:18, 9 July 2006 (CDT)

Is the Think Tank really the best place for this? [[BW:SC]] is where we usually deal with standardization issues. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:33, 9 July 2006 (CDT)

::Yes, it's not so much a new policy as enforcing old ones more strictly.  I'll bring up this discussion there. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:16, 9 July 2006 (CDT)

:::I think this wasn't proposing the standards (which are pretty much BW:SC) but proposing a project page/organized effort to methodically go through the existing ones and enforce them. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:24, 10 July 2006 (CDT)

::::Oh, I see. I have no objection to that. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:45, 10 July 2006 (CDT)

== Massive Edit ==
I made some changes to the proposal to reflect some of what was discussed above. FrankieG, please change anything that I misstated. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:35, 10 July 2006 (CDT)
:Sounds great to me. Thanks for clarifying. I just wanted to get the ball rolling. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:07, 10 July 2006 (CDT)

::I'll get on this as soon as I'm done with my other 5 big projects. :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:41, 10 July 2006 (CDT)

:::You can do it. You're the "Merv" ;-). I don't my doing the work, just need a lot of guidance. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:13, 10 July 2006 (CDT)

Right-o. This sounds to me to be kind of parallel to the Characters project. It would not outline guidelines, but be a kind of planning room for organized enforcement of them, as outlined in S&C. I think this is a good idea. I had, long ago, thought about proposing this, but wasn't sure as there's the template that seems to be in use and I'd just recently created S&C (didn't want to get in over my head, yeah?). This would help target specific, problematic episode articles and also probably help determine if any of the S&C regarding episodes need to be clarified, altered or created. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 15:06, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

== Vote? ==
Since there don't appear to be any remaining objections to this, should we go ahead and put it to the one-week vote? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:40, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

Vote to do what?  We didn't agree on anything specific yet (I think).  I'm going to smooth out what I think how things should be organized, and we'll see if they're fitting.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:54, 11 July 2006 (CDT)
:Mostly I was referring to the "creation of a project" part. To go ahead and create the project page and start hashing out the standards/guidelines/worklist/archetype, etc. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:16, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
::Give me 26 hours.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:20, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Why 26 hours? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:50, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
::::(Turning on my mind reading cap.) I got the impression he had more thoughts/organization/structure that he was working on and planning to present here. I guess 26 hours seemed like a nice round number. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:55, 17 July 2006 (CDT)

::: I'm confused... Where should I be looking for the fruits of Merv's labors of organizing, etc.? I feel pretty ready to vote on this. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 00:19, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:::: I think that a just a vote to proceed before we get into the details. However, it seems clear that most feel like this needs to be done. Just formalize it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:21, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::::: 26 hours is almost up anyways...--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 11:30, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::::: 26 hours has passed. starting voting process. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:09, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

Oh you didn't need me to proceed, I was just about to update a lot of stuff.  I wasn't about to propse anything new.  I tend to use "26 hours" alot, because I'm a hardcore ''Deep Space Nine'' fan, and it was a running convention on the show that they didn't run on standard time, but on Bajor time, which has a 26 hour day.  I just picked that up as a thing from talking in DS9 messageboards alot.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:44, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

== Vote ==

Ending date: 5 days from now... --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:09, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
Support Result: Creation of project page [[BW:ES]] to hash out ideas.


# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} Let's create this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:36, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
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# [[User:Day|Day]] - {{support}} I don't know that I'll ''contribute'' to this project, but I dont feel the need to stop others. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:24, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
# [[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] - {{support}}
# [[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] - {{Support}}
# [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] - {{Support}} I'm game, even for "1980." If ''Star Trek'' can make sense of itself, so can we. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:44, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
# [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} One episode guide to rule them all... (maybe eventually even the 1980 ones). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:34, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

Also, despite there being a list of admins above, all regular contributors may vote as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:38, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

# {{Support}} --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:13, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
# {{Support}} --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:16, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
# {{Support}} --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:43, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Colonial Day Cleanup==

Check out the history of [[Colonial Day]]:  this was the episode with the most horrifically POV non-Standard things in it, and the first I've fixed.  What I did to Colonial Day (see history page) is the sort of thing I'd like to do to the rest.  Season 2 is fine.  I've checked it all and on the whole we had gotten the feel of how to do episode writeups then.  The Miniseries is a special case and I'm not sure how to approach that, though I will try.  Season 1 fixups mostly consist of removing the ''Reviews'' of episodes written by one "Ernestborg9".  I hope my rewrite on Colonial Day made the article sound...impartial?  I did not want to replace one POV writeup with my own POV.  "Colonial Day" is my working model of a "fixed" article:  I hope you like them.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:08, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
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	~~"''~~Well I agree in general but could you point out specifically what you'd like to standardize? For example, I mean like pick one episode article in particular and say what about it should be standardized but more importantly ''how''. ~~''"~~		Well I agree in general but could you point out specifically what you'd like to standardize? For example, I mean like pick one episode article in particular and say what about it should be standardized but more importantly ''how''.

	I myself was going to propose something like "standardize the Analysis sections", but I think that would fall under this: '''Our Analysis sections are in great need of standardization, but I was reluctant to change them myself for fear of ruffling feathers'''.----------------->Case in point, the Analysis for "[[Colonial Day]]" is...incredibly POV: this isn't a blog where we're writing an "episode review" in the Analysis section, Analysis is more for theorizing and pointing out trends. I mean yes like in Black Market we can point out "this episode has a lot of problems", but I think I tried to keep it to a minumum in there. ----->With everyone I've ever seen Colonial Day with at DVD parties and such, or on BSG messageboards, Colonial Day ranks as one of the favorites of Season 1. By the late season they really got good at scripting for the characters. But the analysis section of Colonial Day says right on the front line flatly that "This is the most poorly-conceived and executed episode in BSG's first season". It's POV for me to say I like it, but I still think that objectively, yes it had a good script I've already marked it for cleanup.		I myself was going to propose something like "standardize the Analysis sections", but I think that would fall under this: '''Our Analysis sections are in great need of standardization, but I was reluctant to change them myself for fear of ruffling feathers'''.----------------->Case in point, the Analysis for "[[Colonial Day]]" is...incredibly POV: this isn't a blog where we're writing an "episode review" in the Analysis section, Analysis is more for theorizing and pointing out trends. I mean yes like in Black Market we can point out "this episode has a lot of problems", but I think I tried to keep it to a minumum in there. ----->With everyone I've ever seen Colonial Day with at DVD parties and such, or on BSG messageboards, Colonial Day ranks as one of the favorites of Season 1. By the late season they really got good at scripting for the characters. But the analysis section of Colonial Day says right on the front line flatly that "This is the most poorly-conceived and executed episode in BSG's first season". It's POV for me to say I like it, but I still think that objectively, yes it had a good script I've already marked it for cleanup.