Talk:Squadrons of Galactica/Archive 1

Squadron? Or Wing?

Sounds like the big categories are really wings:

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Except for the shield for "raptor 10" (which may actually be a squadron anyway) there is no explicit reference to them as squadrons. After all, there are color-coded viper squadrons which are clearly operating under the (vigilantes) wing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TaKometer (talk • contribs).

You might be right. But in the end, it doesn't really matter, since we don't have much to go on. While BSG generally follows established military examples (and other airforces are structured along similar lines), there is as you said "Fighter Squadron 10" and in absence of other indications, that's the best to go with. I added a footnote about it though. --Serenity 21:01, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

Article name

Shouldn't this be called Battlestar Squadrons? --Mercifull ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 07:23, 21 January 2007 (CST)

Maybe, maybe not. We don't really know anything about the Pegasus squadrons (except maybe if there are some insignia in "Pegasus" and LDYB). The only argument for me is that Primus and Vigilantes probably weren't stationed on Galactica all the time, but since they were that makes them Galactica squadrons again...

But if it's renamed, I'm for "Colonial Fleet squadrons". --Serenity 07:36, 21 January 2007 (CST)

Just like we dont know if Primus or Vigilantes are actually galactica squadrons... --Mercifull ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 08:14, 21 January 2007 (CST)

Primus might have been at one time, but the Vigilantes are definitely active, since lots of pilots have its patch on their suits --Serenity 08:45, 21 January 2007 (CST)

No. We're aware of several squadrons on Pegasus, including Red Squadron (RDM), Yellow Squadron, Green Squadron and Blue Squadron (RDM), which should be treated separately (if necessary - there's probably never going to be enough material for a parallel article). --Peter Farago 10:43, 21 January 2007 (CST)

Adama was (probably) assigned to Primus while on the Atlantia. It's also very likely that squads while in combat represent a completely different organizational grouping from that which this article referrs to, with the fleetwide "squadrons" more like an "air wing". Are Primus and Vigilantes ever explicitly referred to as "squadrons"?

This article here is about standing squadrons with names and patches. The following has been mentioned, although not discussed, on the talk pages of those squadron articles, and mentioned both here and in the Pegasus article. Those color coded squadrons are probably just radio designations for missions, with pilots and planes drawn from the standing squadrons as needed. Personally I agree with that, as it's the simplest explination for why they use both simple color-names and more complex names for squadrons. Or why Starbuck assigns Showboat as squadron leader on the fly (I think it was Showboat at least). Plus it's something done in real-world air forces. But as you said there is not enough information to warrant an own article, so it can stay in the Pegasus article. --Serenity 10:48, 21 January 2007 (CST)

Other squadrons, patch pictures

So does anyone have some pictures of those other squadron patches/logos mentioned here? They are supposed to be in "Act of Contrition". That was the main reason for consolidating all the squadron info on one page.

If not, I could get my DVDs and try to take some screencaps, but Talos said that he made some and his are too blurry. Not sure if I'll have more luck --Serenity 16:39, 25 January 2007 (CST)

I just uploaded two pics I've had on my harddrive for awhile, they show the Demons and the VWS. I'm working on getting more, there are some others on my other pc. --Talos 17:10, 25 January 2007 (CST)

Ok :) Since we basically have no info about the other squadrons, maybe it's best to add those pictures in a gallery; maybe under a "other" header. Also here someone says that he saw a "7th squadron" patch behind Helo in "Rapture" --Serenity 17:18, 25 January 2007 (CST)

I've seen squadron numbers up to eight in the ready room. And I had the same idea you did with the gallery. Thanks for fixing the Vigilianties and the dash in the 2nd FS, I was late for something and hurrying. --Talos 21:25, 25 January 2007 (CST)

I've added some other squadrons to the list. Now that I have the VLC player Talos recommended, I will work on getting screen grabs of these other logos. AnteaterFeeder 20:31, 13 February 2007 (CST)

There is an emblem of 8th squadron in "Hero". Towards the end when Adama, Tigh and Novacek fight. But I can't see what name it has. That would be something for HD. --Serenity 10:32, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

Wing vs Group Reference

While that assertion holds true for the Navy and Air Force the Marine's aviation is different in organization and there may be either a mix of these, or not at all in BSG. The US Marines have 4 Air Wings. Each one is based in a major area (west coast (3rd MAW), east coast (2nd MAW), Japan (1st MAW), and the marine reserves (4th MAW) ) and is further divided into Groups. For instance MCAS Miramar is home to Marine Air Group (MAG) 11 and 16 and used to host VMFA-134 a reserve squadron from the 4th MAW. MAG-11 hosts the 6 Hornet and one KC-130 squadrons on base. I say host, because they are the "home" to these squadrons, common practice in the Navy and Marine Corps is if a squadron is transferred to another command it is integrated into that command. (If VMFA-232 from MAG-11 went to the USS Kitty Hawk then it would break off from MAG-11 and would be underneath Carrier Air Wing-7.) IT is possible for the Navy to adopt this practice but not necessary and extremely rare. The Marines require the flexibility to be able to deploy anywhere as needed. I would like to think that in BSG this would be somewhat of a case assuming that transfers seem to occur care free between battlestars. --Kbeir 23:58, 6 October 2007 (CDT)

Also in terms of squadron names it seems hardly doubtful that the Galactica holds the 1-10th squadrons of the entire Fleet. Thats a pretty low numbering system and the military likes to get complicated. The only evidence to support that claim is Galactica's age. Which would indicate Pegasus had different numbered squadron. There is the possibility that they are the 1-10th squadrons of Galactica. While the Pegasus would have carried her own 1-10th squadrons with their own nicknames and such. Obviously we haven't seen anything to say otherwise though. --Kbeir 23:58, 6 October 2007 (CDT)