Talk:Air Force Viper/Archive 1: Difference between revisions

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Caprica[n] Air Force Viper, virtual or real?

I wonder if this model shouldn't be listed under the virtual aircraft section in ship templates, since it was only shown as a flight simulator with Zoe and Philomon. As far as I know there's only VFX modeler Pierre Drolet stating it was effectively used as an atmospheric fighter by Caprica. -- Geo 08:22, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

i think now that we have pierre drolet's behind-the-scenes comments on these vipers there's actually justification to keep it out of "virtual aircraft" that wasn't there before. Psutherlin 21:11, 9 March 2013 (EST)

Doesn't the same hold for the vintage vipers then? I mean, if even Graystone Industries has a painting of these old aircraft hanging in the CEO's boardroam. And the text in the Vintage Viper's article claims the craft is a predecessor of the Air Force Viper. -- Geo 08:21, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

I think you are putting too much faith in what he says. He may be able to give the back story of the model, and the working names that he called it by, but neither of these mean that that is the cannon story/name. You should take what he says with a pinch of salt, all you can really definitely take from his site is trivia about the design and how it looks. Scale, name, back-story, all these are just what he thinks; "head-canon" basically. He even said that the Mk VIIb name came from him looking at a fan site. Phalanx-a-pedian 14:47, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

absolutely. but in lieu of any other concrete information, what little onscreen info there is and the VFX department's intentions are the only things we have to go on. i think it's a safe assumption that these represent virtual recreations of "real world" planes, unlike things like the dreadnaught and autogyro which are a little more fantastical. but i'm split on the WWII viper, as described by drolet, it seems the WWII plane was designed specifically for V world whereas the AF viper was built with the hopes that it would appear again in subsequent stories and not just as a virtual simulation. we could always split the difference and place all of the virtual and real world aircraft under one heading and leave the specication to the actual pages. Psutherlin 15:11, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

Or we could just admit that we don't know, say that it's featured in V-would and may or may not be a real aircraft. The we can mention in trivia that it was intended to be a real one but just never shown as such. Phalanx-a-pedian 17:13, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

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 === Caprica[n] Air Force Viper, virtual or real? ===
-I wonder if this model shouldn't be listed under the virtual aircraft section in ship templates, since it was only shown as a flight simulator with Zoe and Philomon. As far as I know there's only VFX modeler Pierre Drolet stating it was effectively used as an atmospheric fighter by Caprica.
+I wonder if this model shouldn't be listed under the virtual aircraft section in ship templates, since it was only shown as a flight simulator with Zoe and Philomon. As far as I know there's only VFX modeler Pierre Drolet stating it was effectively used as an atmospheric fighter by Caprica. -- [[User:Geo|Geo]] 08:22, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
 :i think now that we have pierre drolet's behind-the-scenes comments on these vipers there's actually justification to keep it out of "virtual aircraft" that wasn't there before. [[User:Psutherlin|Psutherlin]] 21:11, 9 March 2013 (EST)
 ::Doesn't the same hold for the vintage vipers then? I mean, if even Graystone Industries has a painting of these old aircraft hanging in the CEO's boardroam. And the text in the Vintage Viper's article claims the craft is a predecessor of the Air Force Viper. -- [[User:Geo|Geo]] 08:21, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
+I think you are putting too much faith in what he says. He may be able to give the back story of the model, and the working names that he called it by, but neither of these mean that that is the cannon story/name. You should take what he says with a pinch of salt, all you can really definitely take from his site is trivia about the design and how it looks. Scale, name, back-story, all these are just what he thinks; "head-canon" basically. He even said that the Mk VIIb name came from him looking at a fan site. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 14:47, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
+:absolutely.  but in lieu of any other concrete information, what little onscreen info there is and the VFX department's intentions are the only things we have to go on.  i think it's a safe assumption that these represent virtual recreations of "real world" planes, unlike things like the dreadnaught and autogyro which are a little more fantastical.  but i'm split on the WWII viper, as described by drolet, it seems the WWII plane was designed specifically for V world whereas the AF viper was built with the hopes that it would appear again in subsequent stories and not just as a virtual simulation.  we could always split the difference and place all of the virtual and real world aircraft under one heading and leave the specication to the actual pages.  [[User:Psutherlin|Psutherlin]] 15:11, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
+::Or we could just admit that we don't know, say that it's featured in V-would and may or may not be a real aircraft. The we can mention in trivia that it was intended to be a real one but just never shown as such. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 17:13, 10 March 2013 (EDT)