Editing User talk:Vidiot

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== Nothing against you... ==

Except we can't determine where she will be until tonight. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 11:47, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:We've been in contact before, and I told you then that posting survivor counts before airing isn't a big deal. Your addition to [[Crossroads, Part II]], however, was a spoiler, that's probably why Shane removed it. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:33, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:: Shane: I know exactly when she appears: 51 seconds before the end of the final act.  I know exactly how she appears.  Her credit is the first one given in the closing credits.  I know all this because I watched the episode, starting a little after 10am CT, this morning. Catrope:  Yes, it is a spoiler and if I remember reading correctly, the episode pages have a warning that says that they may contain spoilers. Both: The photo that is posted with the episode is also a very big spoiler, as it occurs right near the end of the episode.  It plays very big as part in the season ending cliffhanger. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:How could you have seen it? Anyway, besides the fact, generally we still report fact finding and since a majority of us can not see the episode (section 1.3: All spoiler information must have a source,  whether in the form of a URL or a printed publication text, on the talk page of the spoilerific article. For printed publication text, a copy must be scanned and uploaded to the wiki in the form of a JPG or PNG, and posted on the talk page of the article containing the spoilerific content.), there is no way for us to do a fact check. I understand the spoilers  as I have to be spoiled just to make sure I know what is. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 13:27, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::If you have somehow seen an advanced copy and post spoilers from that, that's still a wholly different dimension than quoting something that everyone can see and check. For example information from an interview with a writer. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:30, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Shane/Serenity:  You could call it an advance copy.  It was the satellite feed of the episode to Canada.  I first captured it on the computer (can't capture and watch at the same time on the computer, though I could have watched at the same time using a different satellite receiver) and then watched the episode.<br/>
For proof, I can make available images of the official tape slate, an image of Starbuck and an image of the screen credit.  I can even make available audio of the conversation between Lee and Starbuck.  That is an even bigger spoiler. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:Is it really so important to get that info out there a mere day sooner? Why can't you just wait a day until everyone has seen it? And please sign your comments on talk pages, like this: <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:05, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Serenity:  Not really.  I was going to put in ALL of the credits for the episode. Other than Starbuck's, there aren't any other names that are different from the first part (that I can think of).  Since Sci-Fi (which I haven't watched since they joined the idiots by placing those damn sprites on the screen) squishes (or whatever) the credits so you can't read them, I was going to post them from the screen images I can read.

::Still learning the wiki ropes.  The system could easily, i.e., automatically, add the signage since the system knows who is doing the posting.  So I don't why a person has to do it. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:15, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::Only comments on talk pages are signed. Edits to articles mustn't be. The software would have to distinguish between the two. Moreover, you don't need to sign all your edits on talk pages either, for example when make corrections to an existing comment. So automatically adding a signature to all edits, even just on talk pages, isn't good. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:20, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Here's a thought about the credit spoiler.  I was just reading the spoiler rule page.  Couldn't the cast entry be marked with <nowiki>{{spoilli|Katee Sackhoff as Starbuck}}</nowiki>? [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 15:07, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:I agree with you that the article is marked with the spoiler tag, so that's not a problem. However, people are getting confused (again) by you posting information they can't possibly check, so maybe it's better you just wait until after the airing, which is Sunday night at 10 PM. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:42, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:: Please point to a link containing discussion that contains postings of readers that are confused.  I went to the Discussion link on the page and there are zero comments regarding this issue.  The Wiki will be locked down until no later than 10 am CT Monday.  So it is unknown as to when it will be reopened. Certainly won't be able to do it after the episode airs, as Joe posts below. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 16:26, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

: Folks, please remember that this wiki is judged by the quality of information (and how well that information is sourced), not by how fast we get something up. As Catrope said, it may be better to wait until after the airing, which is merely 5 hours away on the US eastern seaboard. So say we all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:00, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:: Joe: I've indicated above the source of the information and can provide proof. So, even though I have followed the spoiler policy, I'm being politely told to not do it.  Since I've seen the episode, I could fill in a bunch of items regarding this episode, marked with spoilers.  The spoiler policy says that I can.  But I am not.  It is just a credit listing.  We all know that we were not going to see the last of this character.  No big spoiler there.  Send me private e-mail, or whatever facility exists for doing such with this Wiki, and I'll provide you with a link to an AVI (DivX) version of the episode (which will finish rendering in about 5 minutes).  This offer only good for Joe.

:: As for the quality of information, please read Shane's talk area.  There are title inaccuracies (minor) and production code errors (major).  As I point out in the Shane talk area, the listed production codes ''are not'' production codes, but a simple fan based season sequence number.

:: I need to go back and watch the episode again, as I know I've missed stuff. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 16:26, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== Bootleg Material ==

As we know you have bootleg material for the Battlestar show, via the broadcast signals or station. This material is ''not'' allowed to be shown to the general public before the episode airs. The reason why it airs is so the show makes money when creating a product. For this is the reason why you are banned. We ask that you do not ever solicit this material ever again on the wiki. Doing so is in violation of Federal copyright laws and can hurt the wiki and everyone involved with the wiki. This is not up for debate -- ever. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:14, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:As another administrator, I need to add something here for the future. By the wiki's ''de facto'' definition, a spoiler is an revealing plot point from an third-party bona fide news and information source. We can never use image content for a spoiler unless it is officially ''aired'' or given as press material, and that itself has limitations. As I can see from the talk page, you admitted that your source was an episode that has not been shown in the US or Canada as yet, which we can only interpret as a bootleg. Battlestar Wiki has a fun mission, but we are bound by the law, both US and international. Many contributors, including a handful of official cast and crew, have spent hours to ensure we have an extensive wiki on the ''Battlestar'' universe, and none of us want to have that fun suddenly ended by legal issues. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:31, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
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 :As another administrator, I need to add something here for the future. By the wiki's ''de facto'' definition, a spoiler is an revealing plot point from an third-party bona fide news and information source. We can never use image content for a spoiler unless it is officially ''aired'' or given as press material, and that itself has limitations. As I can see from the talk page, you admitted that your source was an episode that has not been shown in the US or Canada as yet, which we can only interpret as a bootleg. Battlestar Wiki has a fun mission, but we are bound by the law, both US and international. Many contributors, including a handful of official cast and crew, have spent hours to ensure we have an extensive wiki on the ''Battlestar'' universe, and none of us want to have that fun suddenly ended by legal issues. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:31, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
-== About the production numbers ==
-I've asked [[Bradley Thompson]] to clarify this issue, since there seems to be contradicting data regarding this, both from Scifi.com's website and the information you have recently presented. Feel free to chime in or add clarification [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Production numbers|at the Official Communiques page]]. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 09:07, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
-: In my 20+ years of dealing with tv shows and obtaining production numbers, one learns that consumer sites and press sites, as a general rule, never list the production numbers of programs.  That means whatever places like Sci-Fi.com list, are not the production numbers.  The only exception that I found was The WB network.  Their episode synopsis database served both the press and affiliate sites and they put the production codes at the end of the episode synopsis.  UPN had them on their internal affiliate paperwork.  Now that The WB and UPN have joined into the CW, it seems that the WB staff have taken over The CW's episode synopses, so they are listing the production codes, for the most part.  They are listing the wrong values for 'Supernatural'.
-: Another way to get production numbers is via the closing credits of some production company's programming.  Both 20th Century Fox and Warner Bros. put the show production number at the end.  They are the only companies that do. That means finding other means to determine production codes.[[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 00:52, 29 March 2007 (CDT)