Editing User talk:Shane/Archive10

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==Fix template==
Shane, can you pretty please fix the Star and Crew templates please. the Character box seemed to work fine by lightening the name but the others arnt quite right. If you could look into it, that would be great. cheers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:57, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:It takes a while for most of them because of the [[Special:Statistics|job queue]]. The first one of each one is done. You did everything correctly. If you are taking about the "large" text, <code>font-size: larger</code> is what needs to be removed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 08:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
::Ok ill go though and check a load a bit later. Seems to be ok on first glance now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 08:15, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:::I went ahead and forced ran the job queue just because there wasn't much activity. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 08:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Episodes Smaller characters have starred in ==

Reason I Showed the episodes that Leoben had starred in was because i've got about 10 friends that keep asking everybody "what episode did number 3 star in where she did such and such" and etc. So I figured it would be convienent for me to go ahead and list the episodes Leoben had starred in. Is this ok Shane? I mean I think it helps as it dosen't hurt the page. I'll do it for all the guest stars like the cylons too if you want. --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I feel asleep in front of my computer. Pardon for my delay. I suggest a "Table Matrix" then. [[List of character appearances (RDM)]]. Sorta how our "[[List of pilots]]" page work. Character pages, clearly stated in [[BW:SAC]] should not carry this information. If you want I can help, but I think it's a great idea. You might want to even suggest a "Last Seen" field for the {{tl|Character Data}} template. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds Great. I'll start working on it tommorow. Thanks!  And also, I had posted in the think tank a link to a proposal of mine to creat some sort of rating system to were each fan of the show that comes here can rate there favorite episodes. Does that sound cool? --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:47, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep. I already posted something on it's talk page. Check it out. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:48, 14 February 2007 (CST)

One last thing, I had to tell you but i've gone through the tutorials about editing and stuff and I'm still having trouble creating different sections like you did on the pilots page. If you want you can do them but i'll do the best I can. {{unsigned|Darth Tytis}}
:I never worked on the pilots page. I'll get it started, and you can help out. This is always a team effort. Practice makes perfection and if you fail, '''''"try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, again." -- Some [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]] Episode''''' as we don't care. :-) Always revertible. [[BW:SAND]] to test out. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 00:01, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Battlestarwiki españa ==

Hola, te dejé un mensaje [http://es.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Shane aquí] pero no contestabas. Un saludo de --[[User:Baltar Gaiolas|Baltar Gaiolas]] 20:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== fr.battlestarwiki ==

Saw the note on fr-bsgwiki mainpage; I've been working on translating the English main page for a little bit. [http://fr.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RasputinAXP] I speak French pretty well, so if you need help I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. I'm not sure about promotion, though...and also is there a way we can make the images work on the French side too? Thanks. [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 18:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:Check your french talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:30, 21 February 2007 (CST)
::There's nothing there! ;) [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 00:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:RasputinAXP|there is]] :D As for images just use them normally as you would here <nowiki>[[File:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:30, 22 February 2007 (CST)

== Star data multinational ==

I was going to ask you to incorporate my nationality2 parameter into {{tl|Star Data}}, but I see you've already deleted and reverted my work. You told me to contact you, so here you are. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:54, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah. Check the [[Template:Star Data]] talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 13:59, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::The parameter list mentions '''nationmore''', but it's not in the template itself (yet). Also, maybe we should discuss whether we actually want dual nationalities in the first place. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:::I just added the documentation. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:05, 24 February 2007 (CST)

==Interview==
I was going to put this up on the main page, but I can't edit it. [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-story-marymcdonnellbattlestargalactica,0,638786.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline Interview] It's an interview with Mary McDonnell about her character, the season 3 finale, and the Roslin/Adama relationship. {{unsigned|RMelon}}
:You can goto [[BW:NEWS]] and update it there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Seelix ==

*As an administrator could you please move the "Seelix" article to "Diana Seelix". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 00:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:No problem. [[BW:MOVE]] to get move permissions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 00:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)

==Blog==
I know you're trying to fix it and stuff but can you please stop changing the permalink settings on the blog until you actually fix it. Otherwise you break it so that nobody can read or post anything. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Response to your removal of this question ==

Has the respect and admiration for Admiral Adama been decreasing ever since his speech in "Unfinished Business"?

I put this down mainly because of his speech in Unfinished Business and In the Day of the Life.  The latter episode had in a moment when his late wife told him that he had gotten better at ignoring the hushes and the stares as he walks down the corridors.  This seemed totally in contrast to the admiration that was very apparent at the beginning of the series and the loyalty that many of the officers displayed towards him.  The new episode Dirty Job seems to reveal that there has been some dissolving of his admiration by the crew.  Anyhows, those were my arguements for that question and did not consider it fan wanking.  If that question could be considered that, than many other questions after "Unfinished Business" should be removed as they keep on noting how Adama seems to have gone back on his speech.  --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Population comparison in Episode Data template ==

I saw you messing around in your [[User:Shane/Testing Area 2|testing area]] and noticed your template throws an error when ''oldpopulation'' is undefined or empty. I took the liberty to make a fix for this, and I set up a demonstration thingy for FotP through Resurrection Ship II (conveniently, they include all four possible cases: no previous count, increase, decrease and no change). I put it up [[User:Catrope/Testing Template|here]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 04:58, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:I setup a var in the [[Template:Population compare]] itself. No need for your fix. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 09:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Database Dump ==

I want to start playing with tag clouds again so is it possible to get hold of a database dump of the Wiki? It doesn't have to be really up to date or anything I'm just finding it difficult to get lots of pages and categories created on my test wiki to simulate how it would look "live". --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 10:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:Would you like that extra crispy (EN) or fried (DE)? [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 11:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Template help ==

Please look at the template [[hb:Template:Improvedundelete]]. It's supposed to go on a subpage, and link back to its "parent" page. I'm relying on a user-supplied parameter for that link right now, but do you know how to make an automatic link to the parent page? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:09, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Will take a look at it once I get back from work. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 17:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Where should radio interview link go? ==

I noticed you removed a link I had placed to a radio interview with Sackhoff about Maelstrom, but left no note why you were removing it.   Can I ask where links to things like radio interviews and information from them should go?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:30, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:I removed it because it was spoilerific. You can place it in the [[BW:NEWS]] and say that there are spoilers. Also you don't need the quote. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 08:27, 9 March 2007 (CST)

==Wikisoft*==
Is perm blocking a good solution. It seem this user just needs some help on working out how to use mediawiki before we go blocking. I dont think there is a malicious intent going on and we dont really want to kick out the only ppl that could contibute to the other language wikis. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 06:52, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

== Mail Server Issues ==

Hey, Shane. I can't access my bsg mail. I keep getting an error in mail, that access is denied from port 110. Nothing else had changed in my mail settings. Is there anything I can do from here, or is this a server matter? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:40, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:The whole pop3 server crashed. I have tried to restore it, not success so far. I wasn't going to worry about it cause of the you-know-maintenance thing we are doing after Season 3 ends cause i'll have to re  -do it anyway. I'm on gtalk. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:45, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers and episode titles ==

The production numbers listed for each of the third season episode is 100% wrong.

What is listed is a sequence number, not a production number.  Here are the production numbers:

 39.   3- 1  03001  (T2701)      6 Oct 06   Occupation
 40.   3- 2  03002  (T2702)      6 Oct 06   Precipice
 41.   3- 3  03003A (T2703A)    13 Oct 06   Exodus, Pt 1
 42.   3- 4  03003B (T2703B)    20 Oct 06   Exodus, Pt 2
 43.   3- 5  03004  (T2704)     27 Oct 06   Collaborators
 44.   3- 6  03005  (T2705)      3 Nov 06   Torn
 45.   3- 7  03006  (T2706)     10 Nov 06   A Measure of Salvation
 46.   3- 8  03007  (T2707)     17 Nov 06   Hero
 47.   3- 9  03008  (T2708)      1 Dec 06   Unfinished Business
 48.   3-10  03009  (T2709)      8 Dec 06   The Passage
 49.   3-11  03010  (T2710)     15 Dec 06   The Eye of Jupiter
 50.   3-12  03011  (T2711)     21 Jan 07   Rapture
 51.   3-13  03012  (T2712)     28 Jan 07   Taking a Break from All Your Worries
 52.   3-14  03013  (T2713)     11 Feb 07   The Woman King
 53.   3-15  03014  (T2714)     18 Feb 07   A Day in the Life
 54.   3-16  03015  (T2715)     25 Feb 07   Dirty Hands
 55.   3-17  03016  (T2716)      4 Mar 07   Maelstrom
 56.   3-18  03017  (T2717)     11 Mar 07   The Son Also Rises
 57.   3-19  03018  (T2718)     18 Mar 07   Crossroads, Part 1
 58.   3-20  03019  (T2719)     25 Mar 07   Crossroads, Part 2

Until today's episode, I couldn't be sure about the T27nn numbers.  Those appear to be a different control number, which might be related to the Comcast versions.

The 301 → 319 numbers are listed as "episode" numbers on the tape slate.  The 030nn numbers are the "production" numbers.

The other mistake is related to the episode titles.  You are using "I" and "II" for the two-part episodes.  The correct titles, for accuracy, are shown above.  Those are the titles as given on the master tapes. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:The writers, especially RDM, generally refer to "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode, thus shortening the season to 19 episodes. But pretty much everyone else counts them as two episodes. Whether that split is there or in "Exodus", doesn't really matter IMO. We are also under no obligation to follow supposedly official naming conventions with something as trivial as numbers. Personally I think roman numerals look better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Maybe I am under a very misquided impression, but it is my understanding that Wiki's are supposed to be a source of '''accurate facts'''.  Incorrect episode numbering and titles does not fit the definition of accurate facts.

::As for RDM and the writers considering the first two titles as one episode; that will have to be worked out between them and NBC/Universal, which assigns the official production numbers.  As to why ''Exodus'' was given a single production number (with A and B suffexes) and ''Crossroads'' two unique production numbers is unknown.  You'll have to take that up with, yep, NBC/Universal.  I can only report as to what I know as the facts, only the facts.

::To you, the I and II might look better, but to NBC/Universal and/or RDM and/or the writers, the 1 and 2 was preferred.  What gives you, or anyone for that matter, the right to change the title.  For example, the book/movie ''The Color Purple''. If this title were listed on a British site, one might be tempted to change the title to ''The Colour Purple''.  But that would be effectively changing the title of the book.  Yes, it would be the British spelling, but the book/movie isn't British.

::I would hope that the owners of this Wiki would also want to provide the facts and only the facts. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::We aren't changing the title. We are talking about the way a number is written, for Pete's sake! It doesn't make a difference whether we use roman or arabic numerals. The title is still effectively the same. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::If you insist, we can make [[Exodus, Pt 1]], [[Exodus, Pt 2]], etc. redirect to the appropriate page. As for the production numbers, we can change the text "Production number:" to "Sequence number:", and we'd be fine, wouldn't we? BTW, would you happen to know what the "T27" part means?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:45, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::We already have "Episode number" at the top of the template. "Sequence number" is kinda redundant then. I didn't realize the main problem earlier, and Vidiot does have a point in this case. But then, I'm for deleting it altogether. Even noting the real production numbers used behind the scenes isn't that useful IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Not really, no. I say we throw out the production number as it's redundant anyway. Maybe call a vote on the template's talk page?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The ''extremely minor'' Roman vs. Arabic numerals issue aside (an issue easily rectified by redirects), the production number thing concerns me. A question that no one has sought fit to ask is '''what is/are the source(s) of these numbers'''? 
:::Also, speaking of the Arabic vs. Roman numeral argument provided here, I've taken the liberty to refer to David Bassom's official companions for both Season 1 and Season 2. In the books, roman numerals are used in the episode titles. (i.e. "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" is written as "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:22, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The reason the production numbers are like this, is because it works in conjunction with the SciFi site when we link to the official summaries. The production numbers you give are cast/crew sheets and are "expanded" based on script readings. As for the name I do agree we have a little inconsistency, for the miniseries we have [[Miniseries, Night 1]] and [[Miniseries, Night 2]] but for the episodes them selfs we have roman numerals. Right now since, the avg. user has zero access to the script cast/crew calling sheets on the web (i.e. special access to IMDB Pro). I rather have everything "consistent" to what the avg. person sees. Yes we have Crew/Cast visiting this wiki (I talk with them all the time), but I am sure they don't care. '''Plus''' the universal language in this world is mathematics and keep roman numberlers is better imo. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 16:38, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

OK, here goes.  My responses to all of the above new stuff will be done here.

As to the titles from the 1st and 2nd seasons, as listed in the two books, I have no clue what the author was using as a source and if he did change it to romans from the official paperwork.  I do not have access to anything to say otherwise.  Only this season do I have access to information that does provide some path to the official source.  It is entirely possible that the department that put the tapes together type "Part 1" instead of "Part I".  It is the only official documentation that I currently have.  I suppose one could always ask RDM, since he obviously has access to official doumentation.

That same information is the source of the the production numbers, which is:

The 2nd image of each group is from the tape slate of the tape that was fed.  I'd have to pull the DVD-ROMs of the previous episodes to show the pattern.

Early on, GDMX fed both Canada and Comcast.  After the break, the Comcast feeds were no more.  I believe that the T27nn numbers are an internal number for the Comcast edits (which contained promos for NBC programming).  The satellite feed slates were never modified to contain the NBC/Universal official show production number until recently.

As to Shane's comment (which I just now saw), call sheets might not necessarily have the NBC/Universal production number on them.  The ones for Paramount Star Trek shows did (the ones from ST:TNG onward).  They might only have the episode number, which is one less than the sequence number ('Exodus' being 303A and 303B).  I do not know NBC/Universal's format without seeing a copy of a callsheet.

The Wiki is supposed to contain facts.  A production number listing is supposed to be just that, the official production number assigned by the studio.  Putting up a sequence number and calling it a production number is inaccurate.  If you are still not sure that what I have provided is correct, I say that the production number listing be removed until paperwork can be obtained from NBC/Universal.

I just looked at Sci-Fi's web site and they have 'CROSSROADS - PT 2', i.e., arabic, not roman.  Six of one, half dozen of the other. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 17:28, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

==French Wiki==
I'd like to help with the french wiki, but I'm having trouble with the episode names. Since [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] doesn't seem to be there really, we would need additional help with the wiki (i.e. setting up some conventions on how to quote episode names for example).--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 14:39, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
: The standards are already on the wiki in [[:fr:Battlestar Wiki:French Translation|Battlestar Wiki:French Translation]] and in-time translation from English polices and translations would be transfered also. If you were an sysop on the French wiki, you could come up with your own French standaards with french community. There is also a lot of articles that need to be deleted to be fixed up. If your up to the task I am sure we will allow it. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:30, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::I see, well the only admin on the french wiki, apart from you, seems to have been inactive for a while.--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:33, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Well I do not speak French. ;-) Just english.. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:35, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::I'd be glad to help with the policies and whatnot. --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:38, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for the sysop! I've started on the templates and will work my way up to the policies and the more complicated stuff. --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 16:13, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::One more question... What is [[Template:Episode Guide]] used for? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 17:45, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Making episodes templates. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 19:20, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::It's subst'ed. That means we use <nowiki>{{subst:Episode Guide}}</nowiki> to create a skeleton page for an episode guide, save it, then re-edit to tweak it for a particular episode. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:44, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::One more question. Is there a way to make the Wikipedia:* links to the french wikipedia? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:29, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:::[[BW:INTER]] - Each wiki has W:* that goes to their lang wiki. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:49, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Sweet! thanks --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 05:37, 11 April 2007 (CDT)