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are you going to do a list of the viper numbers since you have done one of the raptors and put them on offensive arment page? | are you going to do a list of the viper numbers since you have done one of the raptors and put them on offensive arment page? | ||
:I'll be happy to, if you can tell me which episodes to look in. I can't remember hearing any Vipers being identified numerically in the series. --[[User: | :I'll be happy to, if you can tell me which episodes to look in. I can't remember hearing any Vipers being identified numerically in the series. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:19, 12 Aug 2005 (EDT) | ||
:: Most of the Viper numbers are likely to come from the DRADIS closeups, if anything else. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:25, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT) | :: Most of the Viper numbers are likely to come from the DRADIS closeups, if anything else. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:25, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT) | ||
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::: you can find a lot of viper reference numbers in the mini series e.g. viper 450 etc | ::: you can find a lot of viper reference numbers in the mini series e.g. viper 450 etc | ||
:::: To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure that keeping track of individual vipers is going to be a very interesting endeavor. The raptors are at least countable - there are probably no more than ten - so it makes some sense to keep track of them on an individual basis. As far as the vipers go, it would seem sufficient just to give a simple headcount (currently 35, assuming none were destroyed off-screen in "[[Scattered]]"). --[[User: | :::: To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure that keeping track of individual vipers is going to be a very interesting endeavor. The raptors are at least countable - there are probably no more than ten - so it makes some sense to keep track of them on an individual basis. As far as the vipers go, it would seem sufficient just to give a simple headcount (currently 35, assuming none were destroyed off-screen in "[[Scattered]]"). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:33, 17 Aug 2005 (EDT) | ||
:::::I've started a few more articles on individual vipers, if the OP is still around/interested. --[[User: | :::::I've started a few more articles on individual vipers, if the OP is still around/interested. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:40, 13 December 2005 (EST) | ||
== RTFF? == | == RTFF? == | ||
Hi | Hi Peter. Is RTFF an acronym for what I believe it is? If so, please refrain from using it in the edit summaries, if only out of civility. Thanks! :-) | ||
:<b>R</b>ag-<b>T</b>ag <b>F</b>ugitive <b>F</b>leet. What did you think the second "F" stood for? --[[User: | :<b>R</b>ag-<b>T</b>ag <b>F</b>ugitive <b>F</b>leet. What did you think the second "F" stood for? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:56, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT) | ||
:: Interesting acronym. :-) I was being a bit paranoid there, given that's an acronym for [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp%3Facronym%3DRTFF&ei=6bb-QuXIK4_04QHU2rg8 some other things as well]. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:15, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT) | :: Interesting acronym. :-) I was being a bit paranoid there, given that's an acronym for [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp%3Facronym%3DRTFF&ei=6bb-QuXIK4_04QHU2rg8 some other things as well]. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:15, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT) | ||
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In your work you state that Gaius Baltar may have an interest only in white women. If you remember, Gaius was caught in bed with an East Asian woman in the miniseries by Number Six. -QuintusCinna | In your work you state that Gaius Baltar may have an interest only in white women. If you remember, Gaius was caught in bed with an East Asian woman in the miniseries by Number Six. -QuintusCinna | ||
:Good Catch, thank you. Six also intimated that he had some interest in Boomer. --[[User: | :Good Catch, thank you. Six also intimated that he had some interest in Boomer. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:26, 28 August 2005 (EDT) | ||
==12 Colonies of Kobol Standards== | ==12 Colonies of Kobol Standards== | ||
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:Wow, these are really excellent. I've been thinking about creating something like this myself, but I'm glad you've beaten me to the punch. What format are the originals in, some kind of vector package? | :Wow, these are really excellent. I've been thinking about creating something like this myself, but I'm glad you've beaten me to the punch. What format are the originals in, some kind of vector package? | ||
:I note that in the scene we're discussing, Wenutu and Sanne appear to be over different flags than usual. --[[User: | :I note that in the scene we're discussing, Wenutu and Sanne appear to be over different flags than usual. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:18, 28 August 2005 (EDT) | ||
::QuintusCinna = Yes, these are vector based using Flash. I've been having fun building a flash battlestar galactica encyclopedia, but was glad to see you already had this even though my flash stuff was nearly finished. If you pay attention to the flags behind, they are all at random placements and that they are placed differently than that of the miniseries' memorial at the end. I played with the idea that the memorial's flags were in order of when they were nuked while the flags on Cloud Nine were placed in order of their signing the Articles of Colonization. It's purely guess though. Note that in Colonial Day, the Sagittaron flag is at the farthest right while Tom Zarek is somwhere in the middle. This clearly shows to me there is no relation between the flags' placements and the delegates sitting. | ::QuintusCinna = Yes, these are vector based using Flash. I've been having fun building a flash battlestar galactica encyclopedia, but was glad to see you already had this even though my flash stuff was nearly finished. If you pay attention to the flags behind, they are all at random placements and that they are placed differently than that of the miniseries' memorial at the end. I played with the idea that the memorial's flags were in order of when they were nuked while the flags on Cloud Nine were placed in order of their signing the Articles of Colonization. It's purely guess though. Note that in Colonial Day, the Sagittaron flag is at the farthest right while Tom Zarek is somwhere in the middle. This clearly shows to me there is no relation between the flags' placements and the delegates sitting. | ||
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:::Question 1: Is Libra's colony is really called "Icon"? Where did you see this? I can't remember if Libron or Libris or whatever has been mentioned out loud in the series yet. What's your take? | :::Question 1: Is Libra's colony is really called "Icon"? Where did you see this? I can't remember if Libron or Libris or whatever has been mentioned out loud in the series yet. What's your take? | ||
:::Question 2: I could swear that the symbol on the side of Galactica was also on one of the flags, which I assumed to be Caprica because of the historical association. Was I just making it up? | :::Question 2: I could swear that the symbol on the side of Galactica was also on one of the flags, which I assumed to be Caprica because of the historical association. Was I just making it up? | ||
:::Question 3: In your opinion, do the icons on the colonial flags bear any resemblance to the constellations they replaced (according to [[Home, Part II]]? --[[User: | :::Question 3: In your opinion, do the icons on the colonial flags bear any resemblance to the constellations they replaced (according to [[Home, Part II]]? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:01, 28 August 2005 (EDT) | ||
::::QuintusCinna: | ::::QuintusCinna: | ||
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::::Question 3: I looked at the copy I have twice for Home, Part II and my copy is just way too dark. I would need to see better pictures to help me out because I'm not sure. I assume there would be a connection, especially since I remember Roslin saying Leo's constellation represents the flag of that tribe (which we can assume to be Leonis). Your pictures turn out so clear. I need to figure out how I can do the same. | ::::Question 3: I looked at the copy I have twice for Home, Part II and my copy is just way too dark. I would need to see better pictures to help me out because I'm not sure. I assume there would be a connection, especially since I remember Roslin saying Leo's constellation represents the flag of that tribe (which we can assume to be Leonis). Your pictures turn out so clear. I need to figure out how I can do the same. | ||
:::::Excellent work. I think they look great on the colony articles. --[[User: | :::::Excellent work. I think they look great on the colony articles. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:38, 28 August 2005 (EDT) | ||
::::::I don't know the shapes of all 12 Zodiac signs off the top of my head (and maybe we should get some pictures of them in order to display along with these flags for others who want to compare this kind of thing), but Picon (aka Pices) is a couple of fish, usually one over the other, head to tail. I could see that symbol being derived from it. Also, Gemenon would be Gemini, the twins, which are usually depicted by something kind of like this: L7. Additionally, Scorpion looks like the symbol might have a tail with a stinger... Tauron's symbol '''could''' be a bull. Anyway, I think this indicates that at whatever points the flags were revised, the constelation symbols were replaced by a kind of updating or stylization of the original symbol. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:41, 30 August 2005 (EDT) | ::::::I don't know the shapes of all 12 Zodiac signs off the top of my head (and maybe we should get some pictures of them in order to display along with these flags for others who want to compare this kind of thing), but Picon (aka Pices) is a couple of fish, usually one over the other, head to tail. I could see that symbol being derived from it. Also, Gemenon would be Gemini, the twins, which are usually depicted by something kind of like this: L7. Additionally, Scorpion looks like the symbol might have a tail with a stinger... Tauron's symbol '''could''' be a bull. Anyway, I think this indicates that at whatever points the flags were revised, the constelation symbols were replaced by a kind of updating or stylization of the original symbol. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:41, 30 August 2005 (EDT) | ||
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-That's actually incorrect according to the subtitles. According to the subtitles, the Commander said this: "Preliminary reports indicate a thermonuclear device of the 50 megaton range was detonated over Caprica City 30 minutes ago. Nuclear detonations have been reported on the planets Aerelon, ICON, Sagittaron and Gemenon. No reports on casualties, but they will be high." This is where Icon was shown to be listed. It could be a misspelling on their part, but I think you would find it fascinating. It is in the miniseries at 48:45. --[[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]] 1:29, 15 October 2005 (EDT) | -That's actually incorrect according to the subtitles. According to the subtitles, the Commander said this: "Preliminary reports indicate a thermonuclear device of the 50 megaton range was detonated over Caprica City 30 minutes ago. Nuclear detonations have been reported on the planets Aerelon, ICON, Sagittaron and Gemenon. No reports on casualties, but they will be high." This is where Icon was shown to be listed. It could be a misspelling on their part, but I think you would find it fascinating. It is in the miniseries at 48:45. --[[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]] 1:29, 15 October 2005 (EDT) | ||
::I haven't got the Miniseries DVD, but I'm certain that what I ''hear'' is "Picon". --[[User: | ::I haven't got the Miniseries DVD, but I'm certain that what I ''hear'' is "Picon". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:42, 16 October 2005 (EDT) | ||
== Character Data == | == Character Data == | ||
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Did you (or someone, I guess) edit the Character Data template such that more fields will be rendered invisible when left blank? If so, neat! However, if it was you, could you add to the documentation on the template's discussion page? If it wasn't you, then sorry and maybe you can help me track down who did? --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:43, 8 September 2005 (EDT) | Did you (or someone, I guess) edit the Character Data template such that more fields will be rendered invisible when left blank? If so, neat! However, if it was you, could you add to the documentation on the template's discussion page? If it wasn't you, then sorry and maybe you can help me track down who did? --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:43, 8 September 2005 (EDT) | ||
:That was Joe. --[[User: | :That was Joe. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:35, 9 September 2005 (EDT) | ||
==Test== | ==Test== | ||
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==New Messsage problem== | ==New Messsage problem== | ||
Hi, | Hi, Peter. Do you still have that "new message" problem, with it not going away? It's still there for me, and I was wondering if you had any ideas for getting rid of it. Thanks. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 14:26, 24 September 2005 (EDT) | ||
==Pictures== | ==Pictures== | ||
Hi, if you need any more pictures, let me know and I will try to find it. Btw, great job, keep up the good work. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]] | Hi, if you need any more pictures, let me know and I will try to find it. Btw, great job, keep up the good work. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]] | ||
:Thank you. That was a timely addition. --[[User: | :Thank you. That was a timely addition. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:36, 30 September 2005 (EDT) | ||
== My condolences... == | == My condolences... == | ||
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== Congrats! == | == Congrats! == | ||
Hi | Hi Peter! Just wanted to let you know that you are officially promoted to administrator! If you have any questions, feel free to ask them! Thank you and, again, congratulations! So say we all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:20, 28 December 2005 (EST) | ||
:So say we all. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:37, 28 December 2005 (EST) | :So say we all. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:37, 28 December 2005 (EST) | ||
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: So say we all! --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:15, 28 December 2005 (EST) | : So say we all! --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:15, 28 December 2005 (EST) | ||
::Thanks, guys. Wow, look at all the pretty new tabs... --[[User: | ::Thanks, guys. Wow, look at all the pretty new tabs... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:33, 28 December 2005 (EST) | ||
:Sic transit gloria mundi :) --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:40, 29 December 2005 (EST) | :Sic transit gloria mundi :) --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:40, 29 December 2005 (EST) | ||
: So sez me too. Congratulations, | : So sez me too. Congratulations, Peter. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:03, 29 December 2005 (EST) | ||
::Congratulations. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:21, 29 December 2005 (EST) | ::Congratulations. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:21, 29 December 2005 (EST) | ||
:Congrats | :Congrats Peter --Zareck Rocks 00:48, 30 December 2005 (EST) | ||
== Policy Page == | == Policy Page == | ||
Hey | Hey Peter, I wanted to ask for your help and advice on fixing the [[Policies]] page. I have been accumulating as many BSG Wiki policies into Category:Battlestar Wiki policies. In order to make the page as complete as possible I wanted to leave no gray areas by defining the word Policy, and list punishments for infringements against the set procedures. Is there anyway you can help me with reverting [[Policies]] to [[Battlestar Wiki:Policy]] and develop a list of possible punishments as well as how you can attain those punishments, set guidelines like: | ||
:After leaving spoiler information out of spoiler tabs after being warned you get such and such punishment. | :After leaving spoiler information out of spoiler tabs after being warned you get such and such punishment. | ||
I know such an infringement would be very minor but I just want to make the rules as black and white as possible. I would be happy to collaborate with you in the Battlestar Wiki:Policy talk page to develop a list of rules/punishments. Joe told me on his user talk page to ask you for assistance with this minor project because you would be highly capable of the task. Thanks and congrats again on your promotion.--Zareck Rocks 00:59, 30 December 2005 (EST) | I know such an infringement would be very minor but I just want to make the rules as black and white as possible. I would be happy to collaborate with you in the Battlestar Wiki:Policy talk page to develop a list of rules/punishments. Joe told me on his user talk page to ask you for assistance with this minor project because you would be highly capable of the task. Thanks and congrats again on your promotion.--Zareck Rocks 00:59, 30 December 2005 (EST) | ||
:Hrm. I don't necessarily think a set of rules/punishments is a terribly good idea. In my opinion, it's good to have our policies and guidelines set down in writing so that we can point new users to them, and have a general idea of pre-existing group consensus when disputes arise. It's important to keep in mind that our policies all reflect this consensus, and are not static - if a new user disagrees with a policy and argues pursuasively against it, it can (and should) be changed. | :Hrm. I don't necessarily think a set of rules/punishments is a terribly good idea. In my opinion, it's good to have our policies and guidelines set down in writing so that we can point new users to them, and have a general idea of pre-existing group consensus when disputes arise. It's important to keep in mind that our policies all reflect this consensus, and are not static - if a new user disagrees with a policy and argues pursuasively against it, it can (and should) be changed. | ||
:For minor violations, I don't really see the use in "punishing" someone, when their error can simply be corrected and the errant user pointed to the relevant policy. | :For minor violations, I don't really see the use in "punishing" someone, when their error can simply be corrected and the errant user pointed to the relevant policy. | ||
:In especially bad situations, it might be sensible to keep a log of a user's policy violations, which could be referred to in the event of a ban or RFA. For example, it certainly does not endear a user to me when they repeatedly post controversial or incorrect assertions without a source, but I see no need to revoke someone's privileges on account of such a thing. --[[User: | :In especially bad situations, it might be sensible to keep a log of a user's policy violations, which could be referred to in the event of a ban or RFA. For example, it certainly does not endear a user to me when they repeatedly post controversial or incorrect assertions without a source, but I see no need to revoke someone's privileges on account of such a thing. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:14, 30 December 2005 (EST) | ||
== Twelve Colonies Link on you User Page == | == Twelve Colonies Link on you User Page == | ||
You have a link to "The Twelve Colonies" on your user page. This leads to the disambig page. If you'd change it to "The Twelve Colonies (RDM)", there won't be any more links directly to the disambig page anymore. Thanks. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:55, 19 January 2006 (EST) | You have a link to "The Twelve Colonies" on your user page. This leads to the disambig page. If you'd change it to "The Twelve Colonies (RDM)", there won't be any more links directly to the disambig page anymore. Thanks. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:55, 19 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:Fixed. Your zeal in this matter is admirable, albeit somewhat frightening. --[[User: | :Fixed. Your zeal in this matter is admirable, albeit somewhat frightening. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:06, 19 January 2006 (EST) | ||
::First the Twelve Colonies, and now the Cylons are next (followed shortly by the ''Pegasus''). Perhaps this is a result of all the time I've been spending over in the (TOS) regions (but was that the cause, or a warning sign...). Mostly I'd like to get caught up on all the special pages so that we can better identify when things need fixing. 600+ disambigs was overwhelming to wade through. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:17, 20 January 2006 (EST) | ::First the Twelve Colonies, and now the Cylons are next (followed shortly by the ''Pegasus''). Perhaps this is a result of all the time I've been spending over in the (TOS) regions (but was that the cause, or a warning sign...). Mostly I'd like to get caught up on all the special pages so that we can better identify when things need fixing. 600+ disambigs was overwhelming to wade through. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:17, 20 January 2006 (EST) | ||
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Sorry, thanks for catching my bonehead misspelling of Roslin. I knew I picked the wrong day to quit drinking. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 00:13, 21 January 2006 (EST) | Sorry, thanks for catching my bonehead misspelling of Roslin. I knew I picked the wrong day to quit drinking. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 00:13, 21 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:No hard feelings. It's an increasingly common error that's been bothering me on a couple forums. --[[User: | :No hard feelings. It's an increasingly common error that's been bothering me on a couple forums. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:17, 21 January 2006 (EST) | ||
::Hey, I'm supposed to assume good faith, right? No hard feelings. If I screwed it up, I'm glad you called me on it. :)[[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 00:20, 21 January 2006 (EST) | ::Hey, I'm supposed to assume good faith, right? No hard feelings. If I screwed it up, I'm glad you called me on it. :)[[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 00:20, 21 January 2006 (EST) | ||
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== IPA style == | == IPA style == | ||
Peter,<BR> | |||
First of all, I admire your eloquent and insightful contributions, and your cool head in heated discussions. Kudos on both.<BR> | First of all, I admire your eloquent and insightful contributions, and your cool head in heated discussions. Kudos on both.<BR> | ||
Just in case you're not regularly checking the [[Template_talk:IPA|talk page for the IPA template]], I thought I'd post my query here as well, since you seem to have knowledge of said template:<BR> | Just in case you're not regularly checking the [[Template_talk:IPA|talk page for the IPA template]], I thought I'd post my query here as well, since you seem to have knowledge of said template:<BR> | ||
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation)#IPA style|Wikipedia]] recomments placing a link before IPA text becuase the underscore makes reading the characters difficult. Is there a way to modify our template to comply? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 16:50, 23 January 2006 (EST) | [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation)#IPA style|Wikipedia]] recomments placing a link before IPA text becuase the underscore makes reading the characters difficult. Is there a way to modify our template to comply? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 16:50, 23 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:Replied at [[Template talk:IPA]]. --[[User: | :Replied at [[Template talk:IPA]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:06, 23 January 2006 (EST) | ||
== Name change == | == Name change == | ||
Peter, is it possible for you to change my username? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 20:00, 27 January 2006 (EST) | |||
:No, only someone with Bureaucrat-level priveleges can do that. You'll need to ask Joe. --[[User: | :No, only someone with Bureaucrat-level priveleges can do that. You'll need to ask Joe. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:59, 27 January 2006 (EST) | ||
== Sources for Virgon == | == Sources for Virgon == | ||
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When Starbuck leaves the brig and comes to the CIC, Tigh comments about a big fight "shaping up" in Virgon's orbit. 30 battlestars have been destroyed already. When we next hear about the condition of the Fleet, it's after the nuke crisis is over and the Atlantia has beem destroyed. Afterwards, we don't hear anything about engagements between the Fleet and the Cylon invasion force. If there were no gaps (like between the nuclear flash and Starbuck examining the damage), the Virgon battle could have been over within an hour This seems to indicate that the Colonial Fleet at this point has been obliterated. --[[User:mq59|mq59]] 01:35, 28 January 2006 (EST) | When Starbuck leaves the brig and comes to the CIC, Tigh comments about a big fight "shaping up" in Virgon's orbit. 30 battlestars have been destroyed already. When we next hear about the condition of the Fleet, it's after the nuke crisis is over and the Atlantia has beem destroyed. Afterwards, we don't hear anything about engagements between the Fleet and the Cylon invasion force. If there were no gaps (like between the nuclear flash and Starbuck examining the damage), the Virgon battle could have been over within an hour This seems to indicate that the Colonial Fleet at this point has been obliterated. --[[User:mq59|mq59]] 01:35, 28 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:Thank you for reminding me of that. I suppose we don't have to make an explicit note of that dialog. In the future, please post clarifications such as this to the relevant article's talk page - it will be easier for future editors to locate there. --[[User: | :Thank you for reminding me of that. I suppose we don't have to make an explicit note of that dialog. In the future, please post clarifications such as this to the relevant article's talk page - it will be easier for future editors to locate there. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:04, 28 January 2006 (EST) | ||
== Quality Articles Reminder == | == Quality Articles Reminder == | ||
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:Here is the dialogue from "Water": | :Here is the dialogue from "Water": | ||
::'''Gaius Baltar | ::'''Gaius Baltar'''': Full colors, thank you. Thank you all for a most pleasant evening. A parting gift. Hand-rolled from some of the finest fumarello leaf on Caprica. It's also one of the last left in the universe. | ||
:Note that he never actually names the object he's giving her. Meanwhile, we've heard them explicitly referred to as cigars and cigarettes on several occasions: | :Note that while he never actually names the object he's giving her. Meanwhile, we've heard them explicitly referred to as cigars and cigarettes on several occasions: | ||
:"You Can't Go Home Again" | :"You Can't Go Home Again" | ||
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:"Black Market" | :"Black Market" | ||
::'''Jack Fisk | ::'''Jack Fisk''' By the way, did you get the cigars I sent over? | ||
::'''Lee Adama:''' Enjoy the cigars. Escort the vice President to his ship. | ::'''Lee Adama:''' Enjoy the cigars. Escort the vice President to his ship. | ||
::'''Phelan:''' Everyone has needs. Some settle for cigars or liquor. | ::'''Phelan:''' Everyone has needs. Some settle for cigars or liquor. | ||
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::'''Louanne Katraine:''' Scar's gonna smoke you like a fine cigar, my man. | ::'''Louanne Katraine:''' Scar's gonna smoke you like a fine cigar, my man. | ||
:So "cigar" wins 6-0, by my count. --[[User: | :So "cigar" wins 6-0, by my count. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:02, 5 February 2006 (EST) | ||