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:::#What about episodes in which a promotion takes place? Goerge Birch was both a Lieutenant and a Captain in Home, pt. I | :::#What about episodes in which a promotion takes place? Goerge Birch was both a Lieutenant and a Captain in Home, pt. I | ||
:::#What about civillian "ranks"? | :::#What about civillian "ranks"? | ||
:::In general, I'd just rather not open the can of worms. (And the width thing is a serious issue. Why don't we separate the cast date and put that on the bottom of the page, leaving the image, airdate and episode order on top?) --[[User: | :::In general, I'd just rather not open the can of worms. (And the width thing is a serious issue. Why don't we separate the cast date and put that on the bottom of the page, leaving the image, airdate and episode order on top?) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:18, 6 January 2006 (EST) | ||
After seeing the results, I think that this new template is unwealdy and we should stop using it. It scrunches the top of each article (simply making them look awkward), and we can't fit in the full name and title of several characters. I think it's more trouble than it's worth. Does anyone agree? --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 15:53, 6 January 2006 (EST) | After seeing the results, I think that this new template is unwealdy and we should stop using it. It scrunches the top of each article (simply making them look awkward), and we can't fit in the full name and title of several characters. I think it's more trouble than it's worth. Does anyone agree? --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 15:53, 6 January 2006 (EST) | ||
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::For an example of a page without a TOC in the upper left, see [[Galactica Discovers Earth, Part I]]. I haven't added back in the (empty) analysis, official statements, etc. so there isn't a TOC up there. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:10, 6 January 2006 (EST) | ::For an example of a page without a TOC in the upper left, see [[Galactica Discovers Earth, Part I]]. I haven't added back in the (empty) analysis, official statements, etc. so there isn't a TOC up there. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:10, 6 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:::A compact TOC is not the solution - it will look fine as soon as we remove the cast info from the template and place it somewhere in the text. --[[User: | :::A compact TOC is not the solution - it will look fine as soon as we remove the cast info from the template and place it somewhere in the text. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:41, 6 January 2006 (EST) | ||
I agree that the template is too wide. My suggestion would be to place the guest stars elsewhere in the article (near the bottom maybe), and to make the episode chronology a seperate template. It could go at the bottom of the page (like memory alpha has it) and replace the template that lists every episode, which is going to be ridiculously big in a couple of seasons time.--[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 20:47, 7 January 2006 (EST) | I agree that the template is too wide. My suggestion would be to place the guest stars elsewhere in the article (near the bottom maybe), and to make the episode chronology a seperate template. It could go at the bottom of the page (like memory alpha has it) and replace the template that lists every episode, which is going to be ridiculously big in a couple of seasons time.--[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 20:47, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ||
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==Guest Stars== | ==Guest Stars== | ||
I strongly feel that cast information needs to be removed from this template. If anyone disagrees, we should call a vote. --[[User: | I strongly feel that cast information needs to be removed from this template. If anyone disagrees, we should call a vote. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:46, 9 January 2006 (EST) | ||
: I agree. Maybe, if someone wishes a compromise, we could decide on some filtering of guests. I mean... "Micheal Hogan (Saul Tigh)"? I wouldn't have guessed. I don't think anyone else listed in the template on "[[33]]" needs to be at the top of the page. Now, if we had some one-time guest star, that might be worth mentioning. Or some character that doesn't show up very often at all, like Cain or someone, then I could see a case for making a big deal of it. However, listing all the 2nd tier characters as guest stars is only slightly different from listing all the 1st tier characters and we're not listing all of ''them'' at the top of every episode article. --[[User:Day|Day]] 10:18, 10 January 2006 (EST) | : I agree. Maybe, if someone wishes a compromise, we could decide on some filtering of guests. I mean... "Micheal Hogan (Saul Tigh)"? I wouldn't have guessed. I don't think anyone else listed in the template on "[[33]]" needs to be at the top of the page. Now, if we had some one-time guest star, that might be worth mentioning. Or some character that doesn't show up very often at all, like Cain or someone, then I could see a case for making a big deal of it. However, listing all the 2nd tier characters as guest stars is only slightly different from listing all the 1st tier characters and we're not listing all of ''them'' at the top of every episode article. --[[User:Day|Day]] 10:18, 10 January 2006 (EST) | ||
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:: So if I went ahead and moved guest stars from the template to the body of the articles (and added special guest star for the few episodes with one, see above), would anyone have a problem with it? --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 03:27, 31 January 2006 (EST) | :: So if I went ahead and moved guest stars from the template to the body of the articles (and added special guest star for the few episodes with one, see above), would anyone have a problem with it? --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 03:27, 31 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:::Which episodes explicitly list "special guest stars"? --[[User: | :::Which episodes explicitly list "special guest stars"? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:00, 31 January 2006 (EST) | ||
::::[[Bastille Day]], [[Colonial Day]] ([[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]). | ::::[[Bastille Day]], [[Colonial Day]] ([[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]). | ||
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::::Weird that Richard Hatch is listed for some episodes he's in, and not others, like Home | ::::Weird that Richard Hatch is listed for some episodes he's in, and not others, like Home | ||
:::::Interesting. Well, no problem if you want to go ahead. --[[User: | :::::Interesting. Well, no problem if you want to go ahead. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:21, 31 January 2006 (EST) | ||
It's done. By the way, it may now be feasible to reduce the width of the table a fraction, though I wouldn't be the one to do it. --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 20:46, 31 January 2006 (EST) | It's done. By the way, it may now be feasible to reduce the width of the table a fraction, though I wouldn't be the one to do it. --[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 20:46, 31 January 2006 (EST) | ||
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::My other real concern is the massiveness of the infobox. It's already overly complicated already, and actually can use some paring down. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC) | ::My other real concern is the massiveness of the infobox. It's already overly complicated already, and actually can use some paring down. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Could some space be saved by some horizontal organization? Something like a 2x2ish table (or whatever css equivalent) for the related info box, or any other fields that might be able to fit side by side within the box? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | :::Could some space be saved by some horizontal organization? Something like a 2x2ish table (or whatever css equivalent) for the related info box, or any other fields that might be able to fit side by side within the box? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::Not worth the effort. Where do you place "Act of Contrition" or "Unfinished Business", at the frame story or during the flashback events? What about "Razor", whose flashback events take place simultaneously with multiple events throughout the miniseries and first season, or "Downloaded" with events both immediately after the Miniseries as well as nine months later? --[[User: | ::::Not worth the effort. Where do you place "Act of Contrition" or "Unfinished Business", at the frame story or during the flashback events? What about "Razor", whose flashback events take place simultaneously with multiple events throughout the miniseries and first season, or "Downloaded" with events both immediately after the Miniseries as well as nine months later? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 06:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::::Of course the flashback episodes should be placed where the framing (latest) story within them takes place. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 09:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | :::::Of course the flashback episodes should be placed where the framing (latest) story within them takes place. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 09:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::I'm with Peter on this. Having slept on it, I too feel that isn't worth the effort, simply because of the episodes he mentioned above are scattered in two or more different places in the chronology. (The Razor Flashbacks also suffer this problem, since they're set both at the last day of the Cylon War and the first day of the Fall of the Colonies.) Just simply too much effort, and it can easily devolve into a [[clusterfrak]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | ::::I'm with Peter on this. Having slept on it, I too feel that isn't worth the effort, simply because of the episodes he mentioned above are scattered in two or more different places in the chronology. (The Razor Flashbacks also suffer this problem, since they're set both at the last day of the Cylon War and the first day of the Fall of the Colonies.) Just simply too much effort, and it can easily devolve into a [[clusterfrak]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC) | ||