Editing Talk:Viper Mark III/Archive 1

==Proof These are MKIII's===

I've been searching for sources that say the vipers of B&C are infact MKIII's, but I can find none. I do know, however, that Adama has to fly a Viper MKII at some point in time during the war, and that he is shown doing so in the Razor flashbacks, during Operation Razor Talon. This occurs after the events of B&C. I strongly believe that the facts indicate the vipers of B&C are MKI's, not MKIII's as everyone seems to assume. [[User:Kodiakus|Kodiakus]] 14:58, 7 December 2012 (EST)

: Watch the scene where Ozar ([[Osiris]]' commander) instructs her officers to requisition the "new Mark IIIs" to aid Kelly's mission (she's climbing down a latter after Coker, Adama, and Kelly first arrive). Also, Doug Drexler (CG Supervisor for the show) made the point of saying that there were Mark IIIs and Mark IIs throughout the fleet at this point.  -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:03, 7 December 2012 (EST)
:Yea they are deffinately Mark IIIs. Its very common in wartime for older models to be still fully in service when new models are already being produced. If there is a Mark I in this series its similar in design to the TOS viper and thats just since the TOS is briefly seen in the museum during the miniseries in one shot. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 09:08, 8 December 2012 (EST)

==Size==
Those numbers seem big! Surely you can't just read them off the scale off the graph as that's for the "ground" level, while in the top down view the Vipers we see are several meters up, and so closer to the viewer, so perspective would inflate the  apparent size. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 17:35, 14 November 2012 (EST)

:I thought the same thing, but that's the math. The top-down view is an orthographic projection taken directly from Lightwave, so there isn't any perspective distortion make the Vipers look bigger than the floor (the bottom Viper has another one below and slightly ahead of it. You can see the nose and forward wingtips peaking out, and they're exactly the same size as the one above it, proving there's no perspective). I also scaled a Mark II orthographic publicity render to it for comparison, and the cockpits are the same size (and from the shots in B&C, the III seems to be using the same physical cockpit set as the II did). [[http://www.gian-cursio.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Viper237.jpg See for yourself.]] -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 18:27, 14 November 2012 (EST)

::That is a HUGE Viper! Why would that make it so big? I mean, I know Vipers are pretty damn small compaired to modern aircraft but.. would that even still fit in an unmodified launch tube? [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 04:37, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:::Shall we add the length and wingspan back in, then? -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 17:57, 27 November 2012 (EST)

==update picture==

This page should update it's main picture as in episode 5 of Blood and Chrome there are much clearer shots of the Viper IIIs that show the whole Viper without obstruction. Tried adding this myself, but unfortunally was not able to include pictures on this Wiki. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 14:33, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Heres a couple of pictures I took of it you can use. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III.png http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III2.png

::Tried myself. Didn't work. I don't think it like the dashes (-) you have in the file names. - [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

Well if you're able to upload pictures yourself just take one of these and save it onto your computer then upload to the wiki and hopefully that will work. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 19:32, 26 November 2012 (EST)

: Looks like these were already uploaded by Frylock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 01:04, 27 November 2012 (EST)

== Orthographic images ==

This popped up via Doug Drexler if anyone wants to make an edited version:

http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Blood-Chrome-Viper-Mark-3.jpg

[[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 18:56, 30 January 2013 (EST)
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 :::Shall we add the length and wingspan back in, then? -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 17:57, 27 November 2012 (EST)
-No. At that width the Viper would not even fit into the tubes (approx 6 to 6.3 meters wide). It seems that they shrunk it down in size for B&C. Until an official source shows otherwise, we cannot rely on the diagram, or Drolet's site. Given that the model used in the diagram is far less detailed then the one in the show it could be that it is inconsistent. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 14:42, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
-:I'm not so sure, take a look at the photo on the main page of the Viper [[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/File:Vipers_in_Hangar.jpg|Viper in the hanger deck]], I think the sizing is spot on. Would we not be able to determine a size with the people standing next to it?
-:- [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]] 10:13PM, 03/10/13 EST
-::Without knowing the exact size of the people and how the perspective & their pose effects the measurements the error margin would be too large. If they are the size that Drolet wanted them, they would not fit in the launch tubes. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 05:42, 12 March 2013 (EDT)
-::: Maybe the launch tubes were larger? But that wouldn't make much sense, then again what in B&C does? :-/
-:::- Frylock 06:19PM, 03/12/13 EST
-::::You can check the final shot of Adama launching but I do not think that is possible unless the entire ship were bigger. There really [http://www.gian-cursio.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Launch_Tube_Ext.jpg isn't any wiggle room] between the tubes and the ribs. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx]] 14:27, 11 December 2013 (EST)
-:::::Welcome to the impossible world of B&C. :) -- [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]] 23:38, 11 December 2013 (EST)
 ==update picture==
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 This popped up via Doug Drexler if anyone wants to make an edited version:
-[http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Blood-Chrome-Viper-Mark-3.jpg]
+http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Blood-Chrome-Viper-Mark-3.jpg
 [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 18:56, 30 January 2013 (EST)
-Yea the perspective view of the MK III would be perfect for a main picture for this page. The current pics from onscreen aren't nearly as clear as this. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 17:12, 1 February 2013 (EST)
-*Done and done. How does it look? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:44, 2 February 2013 (EST)
-**Looks great.
-Some new images of the Viper III model have been shown. One of these might suit for the main picture better.
-[http://sci-fi-museum-pierre-drolet-com.webs.com/viper-mark-ii-and-iib] [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 15:17, 6 March 2013 (EST)