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Boy, a ''lot'' of this information is non-canon. Someone needs to go in here and note this. | Boy, a ''lot'' of this information is non-canon. Someone needs to go in here and note this. | ||
:Stick it on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]] so we don't forget. -- [[User: | :Stick it on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]] so we don't forget. -- [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:47, 2 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:I've gone through and cleaned out all the fanon and unsourced information. If there's anything that I've missed, please feel free to clean up after me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:40, 14 September 2006 (CDT) | :I've gone through and cleaned out all the fanon and unsourced information. If there's anything that I've missed, please feel free to clean up after me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:40, 14 September 2006 (CDT) | ||
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Okay, I just went and messed around with a couple 3D models I have and put together this[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/HandofBobb/Vipers.jpg]comparison[/url]. | Okay, I just went and messed around with a couple 3D models I have and put together this[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/HandofBobb/Vipers.jpg]comparison[/url]. | ||
Now, granted, these are fan-made models, but they're fairly accurate, and correspond to most toy/model images I can find. The pilot figure in both cases is the same Poser model, Michael 3, at the same scale. As you can see, even with the Original Series Viper at roughly 130%, he's pretty cramped in there, while there's plenty of room in the new Viper. -[[HandofBobb]] | Now, granted, these are fan-made models, but they're fairly accurate, and correspond to most toy/model images I can find. The pilot figure in both cases is the same Poser model, Michael 3, at the same scale. As you can see, even with the Original Series Viper at roughly 130%, he's pretty cramped in there, while there's plenty of room in the new Viper. -[[HandofBobb]] | ||
: Unfortunately, many of the CGI meshes are actually, well, wrong in terms of scale. This is because they're based on the Monogram model kits and the Viper mockups which aren't accurate. (Conversely, however, I should note that the Raider kits were so accurate that they were actually used in the series for many of the later episodes.) See http://geocities. | : Unfortunately, many of the CGI meshes are actually, well, wrong in terms of scale. This is because they're based on the Monogram model kits and the Viper mockups which aren't accurate. (Conversely, however, I should note that the Raider kits were so accurate that they were actually used in the series for many of the later episodes.) See http://geocities.com/sjpaxton/viper.html for what I'm speaking of. (There's also a bit more on Paxton's site that may be of interest. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 05:26, 30 March 2007 (CDT) | ||
I'll easily concede that the 3d meshes aren't entirely accurate, but according to that article "To begin with, the sfx model is several scale feet longer than the Monogram viper"- which means there would be even MORE of a difference in lengths. | I'll easily concede that the 3d meshes aren't entirely accurate, but according to that article "To begin with, the sfx model is several scale feet longer than the Monogram viper"- which means there would be even MORE of a difference in lengths. | ||
Again, my original claim was based on a simple visual comparison of the cockpit sizes in relation the the length of the nose, I was simply using the 3d models to illustrate that point. I also have two of the licensed figures on my desk, and though they are the same 'size' it's readily apparent that they are not 'in scale' with each other. | Again, my original claim was based on a simple visual comparison of the cockpit sizes in relation the the length of the nose, I was simply using the 3d models to illustrate that point. I also have two of the licensed figures on my desk, and though they are the same 'size' it's readily apparent that they are not 'in scale' with each other. | ||
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appearing in the miniseries was intended to be a "Viper Mark I".Just my two cents. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 16:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC) | appearing in the miniseries was intended to be a "Viper Mark I".Just my two cents. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 16:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
: That's a possibility, but we don't know that for certain. The appearance was so fleeting that it could mean anything, and therefore it's best just to leave it up to the reader to decide whether or not that cameo was a "Mark I" or not. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC) | : That's a possibility, but we don't know that for certain. The appearance was so fleeting that it could mean anything, and therefore it's best just to leave it up to the reader to decide whether or not that cameo was a "Mark I" or not. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC) | ||