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| :I can see reasons for the thefts, they're aren't really random to me. He took Roslin's glasses so that she wouldn't be taken so seriously during the trial, thus setting the atmosphere in the trial. He took the prosecuting attorney's shoe so he can figure out how what kind of person she is, which Apollo correctly stated as she "drags her feet." He took Baltar's pen so he could use it to manipulate Caprica-Six. Even the photo that Lampkin said he restrained himself from taking from Apollo was manipulative in that he used that to again pierce through Apollo's defenses. I think he's using the kleptomania as a rationale for when he is caught. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 09:58, 13 March 2007 (CDT) | | :I can see reasons for the thefts, they're aren't really random to me. He took Roslin's glasses so that she wouldn't be taken so seriously during the trial, thus setting the atmosphere in the trial. He took the prosecuting attorney's shoe so he can figure out how what kind of person she is, which Apollo correctly stated as she "drags her feet." He took Baltar's pen so he could use it to manipulate Caprica-Six. Even the photo that Lampkin said he restrained himself from taking from Apollo was manipulative in that he used that to again pierce through Apollo's defenses. I think he's using the kleptomania as a rationale for when he is caught. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 09:58, 13 March 2007 (CDT) |
| ::Psychological disorders are rarely so cut-and-dried. Most kleptomaniacs focus on stealing specific kinds of items. It's also quite possible that, as a way of coping with his kleptomania, Lampkin has learned to focus it as part of his manipulations. This is not unlike how, for example, people with manic-depression are taught to channel their moods in a productive manner. Even the seemingly-useless things, like Admiral Adama's button and Kelly's detonator casing, were taken to point Lee in specific directions, so he obviously doesn't just steal at random. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 10:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT) | | ::Psychological disorders are rarely so cut-and-dried. Most kleptomaniacs focus on stealing specific kinds of items. It's also quite possible that, as a way of coping with his kleptomania, Lampkin has learned to focus it as part of his manipulations. This is not unlike how, for example, people with manic-depression are taught to channel their moods in a productive manner. Even the seemingly-useless things, like Admiral Adama's button and Kelly's detonator casing, were taken to point Lee in specific directions, so he obviously doesn't just steal at random. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 10:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT) |
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| :::It's also explicitly called kleptomania in the podcast. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:30, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
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| == Helo as CAG ==
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| Although previous CAGs we've seen have all been Viper pilots, I don't understand the fuss over Helo being temporary CAG, nor do I understand the assumption that, to be CAG, one must have experience piloting Vipers. Here are some points I want to touch on:
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| *As recon/coordination specialists, Raptor crews are likely intimately familiar with the performance and maneuvering of the Viper squadrons they support.
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| *We've seen several Viper pilots flying Raptors. It's likely that Viper pilots are commonly cross-trained on Raptors, since basic Raptor flight is likely to be simpler than Viper flight. Even Dualla, who lacked any flight experience whatsoever, was able to make orbit in a damaged Raptor with instructions from an injured, morpha-doped Viper pilot.
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| :*As an addendum, basic Raptor flight is likely simpler because Raptor pilots have a lot more to do than just fly-and-shoot. It's probably also physically easier, since a Raptor doesn't launch from a catapult and, generally, isn't as fast or maneuverable as a Viper.
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| *Helo has been shown to be an expert commander, even serving as XO. Even without hands-on Viper experience, he's got the most command experience of the surviving pilots, aside from Apollo.
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| From a writing perspective, I think Helo was put into command because any previous Captains we've seen were obscure enough that, even though we didn't see the temporary CAG actually doing his job, the writers didn't want to leave us scratching our heads. Remember, not everyone obsesses over the show like we do. :) --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 12:35, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :I don't think it's really that hard to understand why Helo would become CAG as well. He is the only other pilot besides Apollo who had been present with CIC/Fleet leadership meetings. He was there when the leadership discussed the mandala and definitely his leadership experience as temporary XO and other duties make him a great fit for the job. In addition, Adama knows Helo a lot more than the other captains that could have been chosen, and for Adama it's all about family.
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| :Plus, I just think Helo kicks butt when it comes down to it. Look at the guy! He's survived a nuclear holocaust. Outran and outsmarted most of those darn centurions. Impregnated a cylon girl. Escaped off Caprica. Saved Athena from a rapist. Performed mercy killing for some Cylons. Stood up to Tigh, Roslin, and Adama on many occasions. Piloted a raptor through intense radiation. Stopped a racist doctor from murdering. And now is the CAG for all the Viper/Raptor pilots. What is there not to love about Helo?! --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 12:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::Agreed. All hail Helo! --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 14:19, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| == Adama's model ship ==
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| Contrary to the note added to "[[Maelstrom]]", I think it's still destroyed. What Adama damaged was the masts and rigging, then he threw it off the table. But the rest could have survived that fall more or less intact. In "The Son Also Rises" it's still damaged. He just put the broken masts on top, but they lean very noticeably to the side. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:27, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :Can someone get a screenshot of the damaged ship? From how he totally ripped the thing apart, I would be surprised that they would even keep the model around. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 14:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::He only ripped apart the rigging. Maybe the prop department made a "fake" destroyed ship. Being in the background it doesn't even need that much detail. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/8-4-7-2/BSG/AdamaShip.jpg Here] you can clearly see that the masts aren't intact, though one could argue that they should be more broken. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :::He broke it, they bought it. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 16:10, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
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| == More Lampkin. ==
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| Romo seemed entitled to a lot further mention by way of 'noteworthy dialogue,' if we're giving people like Kelly a word in. His insights into Lee's character and potential hints at the Cylon outlook on humanity are definitely worthy of mention. {{unsigned|Alfryd}}
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| :Sure. The section is already rather long, but there are some that could be deleted in favor of others. Anything specific you have in mind? Feel free to add it yourself if you want. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:20, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
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| ::I've added the dialogue I thought was worth mentioning, but I'm a little uncertain of what you could drop. Perhaps the initial Lampkin quotes, or parts of Cally Tyrol or Kelly? --[[User:Alfryd|Alfryd]]
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| == Dubbing/Muting ==
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| During an exchange between the Adama's, something the Admiral says is muted. Lee asks, "So that's it. You're grounding me?" The Admiral's lips move for a bit (no audio or subtitles), then he adds (audibly) "And you're the only one I can trust." (Though the subtitles omit the "And".) Does anybody (maybe with mad lip-reading skills) have any idea what he says? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
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| : SC 20, Full 2nd Blue (11/6/06) version of the script has Adama's reply as: "If whoever's doing this is one of our own, you're the only one I can trust." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Awesome! Having an inside source is great! Is that noteworthy on the episode guide? It looks like they decided to downplay the paranoia/internal suspicion angle (maybe they thought it'd point too quickly to the actual answer), but failed to cut out that part of the scene. I'm no editing expert, but it seems like it would've been better just to snip the part where Adama was saying that first part. The RDM podcast is still going on about the cat at that point, so I'm not sure how much more illumination we'll get on this particular snafu. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
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