Editing Talk:The Music/Archive 1

== Naming ==

To match RDM's description of what the music's source is, the article is not named after the song title to avoid direct association with the "Earthly" version. RDM notes this song was, through some mystical source, created by someone on the Colonies. Until someone actually uses the song title in an episode, it's best to do that. A redirect with the song title points to here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)


== Lyrics ==

I added the All along the watchtower line to the lyrics. Oddly, this line is repeated twice in place of the complete third verse, which is missing from the show.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 00:30, 28 March 2007 (CDT)


== The Music in Context ==

There are a couple of things about the music I find curious in context with the show. First off, as I mention above, the third verse, with the exception of the title line is completely eliminated from the show. Does this mean the Colonial who wrote it (according to [[RDM]]) didn't write this line, or did it just not fit in the context of the show. That verse is:

:"All along the watchtower, princes kept the view"
:"While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too."
:"Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,"
:"Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl."

Also, if you watch the scene again, the lyrics below happen just as [[Lee]] finds [[Kara]]
:"There are many here among us"
:"Who feel that life is but a joke"
:"But you and I, we've been through that"
:"And this is not our fate"

: Maybe these verses will be heard in Season 4? (Which would, in all honesty, make sense if RDM wanted to use all the lyrics.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 05:45, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

::Damn. Now I'll have to download this episode and tear it apart. Interesting find. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:34, 16 April 2007 (CDT)


::Personally, I feel too much focus is given to the lyrical content of the song.  While I am sure there is <i>some</i> significance to the lyrics, I feel their use was largely a maguffin.  The recurring theme, which McCreary overlays during the performance of "All Along the Watchtower," is heard predominantly in "Heeding the Call," the actual piece of music McCreary composed for the sequence in which the Four "turn on."  It is this same piece (I'm not a music expert, so I don't know if it's a theme, leitmotif, or what) which Kara plays on the piano, and the notes for which Hera has been scribbling.  Starbuck is seen in Daybreak I comparing the actual notation of that music with a series of well known mathematical proofs.

::The connection between music (acoustics) and physics and mathematics is well known, well studied, and well established.  Therefore, it has been my conclusion since No Exit that The Music is not "All Along the Watchtower" in its lyrical content, or as arranged by Bob Dylan, but rather, it is the additions McCreary added to the piece; and that the Music is, in fact, the series of equations necessary to facilitate "Cylon Resurrection."  It is likely to me that Anders wrote "All Along the Watchtower" in its Bob Dylan form, but composed the "Heeding the Call" additions to McCreary's version (as we hear in the closing moments of Crossroads) as a way to retain the equations for Resurrection.  Remember, they only speak the lines from the first stanza of "All Along the Watchtower" in Crossroads while in their dazed state, but the actual music they hear which "turns them on" was from the track, "Heeding the Call," which is the same piece Kara's father taught her as a child (which tells me that Dreilide Thrace was poor Daniel).  Then again, that's just my hypothesis.  [[User:Rag0094|Rag0094]] 07:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==iTunes==

Are they goint to put this on iTunes anytime soon?--[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 00:03, 16 April 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378
: It won't come out until the soundtrack does, which is sometime in August. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 00:11, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

==Possible origin==
According to the [[podcast:Revelations|Revelations podcast]], the rhythm of the Colonial emergency locator beacon signal detected by [[Starbuck's Viper]] matched the tune of the Music. The Final Four first started hearing the music soon before Starbuck arrived in her Viper, and when the Four started hearing the Music in Revelations they were drawn towards the Viper. I suspect that the Viper is broadcasting or relaying a signal which causes the Music to be heard, is there enough evidence to warrent including this theory in the article? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
: Seems like it would be warranted... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
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 To match RDM's description of what the music's source is, the article is not named after the song title to avoid direct association with the "Earthly" version. RDM notes this song was, through some mystical source, created by someone on the Colonies. Until someone actually uses the song title in an episode, it's best to do that. A redirect with the song title points to here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
-: Maybe it's time to reconsider this, since the finale explicitly tied Anders' and Slick's songs to the real-world version. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 22:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
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 ::Damn. Now I'll have to download this episode and tear it apart. Interesting find. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:34, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
+::Personally, I feel too much focus is given to the lyrical content of the song.  While I am sure there is <i>some</i> significance to the lyrics, I feel their use was largely a maguffin.  The recurring theme, which McCreary overlays during the performance of "All Along the Watchtower," is heard predominantly in "Heeding the Call," the actual piece of music McCreary composed for the sequence in which the Four "turn on."  It is this same piece (I'm not a music expert, so I don't know if it's a theme, leitmotif, or what) which Kara plays on the piano, and the notes for which Hera has been scribbling.  Starbuck is seen in Daybreak I comparing the actual notation of that music with a series of well known mathematical proofs.
+::The connection between music (acoustics) and physics and mathematics is well known, well studied, and well established.  Therefore, it has been my conclusion since No Exit that The Music is not "All Along the Watchtower" in its lyrical content, or as arranged by Bob Dylan, but rather, it is the additions McCreary added to the piece; and that the Music is, in fact, the series of equations necessary to facilitate "Cylon Resurrection."  It is likely to me that Anders wrote "All Along the Watchtower" in its Bob Dylan form, but composed the "Heeding the Call" additions to McCreary's version (as we hear in the closing moments of Crossroads) as a way to retain the equations for Resurrection.  Remember, they only speak the lines from the first stanza of "All Along the Watchtower" in Crossroads while in their dazed state, but the actual music they hear which "turns them on" was from the track, "Heeding the Call," which is the same piece Kara's father taught her as a child (which tells me that Dreilide Thrace was poor Daniel).  Then again, that's just my hypothesis.  [[User:Rag0094|Rag0094]] 07:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 ==iTunes==
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 According to the [[podcast:Revelations|Revelations podcast]], the rhythm of the Colonial emergency locator beacon signal detected by [[Starbuck's Viper]] matched the tune of the Music. The Final Four first started hearing the music soon before Starbuck arrived in her Viper, and when the Four started hearing the Music in Revelations they were drawn towards the Viper. I suspect that the Viper is broadcasting or relaying a signal which causes the Music to be heard, is there enough evidence to warrent including this theory in the article? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 : Seems like it would be warranted... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
-==Copyvio concern==
-On the main Wikipedia, posting of copyrighted lyrics as has been done here is forbidden and such material is supposed to be taken down on sight. I don't know if the Battlestar Wiki works by different rules, but I'm uncomfortable having the lyrics to the song posted here, since they are copyright. Discussion of any changes made in the BSG context are fine, but especially now that the "real world" version of the song has become part of the canon via Daybreak, this might be asking for trouble. I'll defer to an admin or more experienced Battlestar Wiki editor on this. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 13:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
-==Weezer==
-Has anyone noticed that the final four theme is a (possibly inadvertent) lift from Weezer's "Beverly Hills"? In particular, interval sequence
-*Descending minor second
-*Descending major third
-*Ascending perfect fourth
-*Descending minor second
-*Descending major third
-Shows up with the lyrics "Living in Beverly". There it's A#, A, F, A#, A, F. In the final five theme it's A, G#, E, A, G#, E (a half step flatter). Is this worth mentioning?
---[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
-:If I were a copyright attorney, I would. Could it be more coincidental, or an homage of some kind to the song, or allusion? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
-::I think that it's probably an accidental lift, if he was familiar with the song at all. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 06:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)