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== Comment ==

I think we should add Galactica, and Pegaus in the fleet's listings.--[[User:QX100|QX100]] 7:59, 1 October 2005 (EST)

== Astral Queen ==

:I thought the [[Astral Queen]], from the New series, had 900 prisoners. Does anyone have a mini-series transcript? That's where the ship is first mentioned. -- [[User:Neochiiz3000|Neochiiz3000]] 12:07, 11 July 2005 (EST)

: Billy Keikeya - "Uh, the captain of the Astral Queen wants to you to know he's got nearly 500 convicted criminals under heavy guard in his cargo hold. They were being transported to a penal station when the attack happened." -- [[User:yenguyen|YeNguyen]] 13:09, 11 July 2005 (EST)

:I thought so... I was only off by about 400.  Better than a full thousand, though. -- [[User:Neochiiz3000|Neochiiz3000]] 13:39, 11 July 2005 (EST)

:: It's 1,500 -- though in the mini-series Billy said 500.  (Again, his trademark "crappy math" at work.) See: [[Bastille Day#Notes]]. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:40, 11 July 2005 (EDT)

:I wouldn't want BIlly as my secretary. I know that much :P -- [[User:yenguyen|YeNguyen]] 14:18, 11 July 2005 (EST)

== Celestra in New BSG ==

:Isn't there a Celestra in the new series, too? I thought I had read that somewhere (or maybe it was that one of the new ships was based on the Celestra design). [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 13:57, 11 July 2005 (EDT)

:: It's listed on the Sci Fi Channel's BSG page. Though as to whether or not it is canon has yet to be determined. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 14:17, 11 July 2005 (EDT)

:::If you get a close up of the ''Celestra'' in "Water" and "Colonial Day", you see the name of the ship written on the side. Same with the ''Striker''.--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]]

== Size of the Fleet ==

"Saul Tigh's assertion in 'The Farm' that the twenty four ships which departed with the Laura Roslin faction during her insurrection represented 'almost a third of the fleet' imply that the number of ships in the Fleet is approximately in the mid-70's."

Could it be that Tigh was referring to the ''population'' of the fleet instead of the number of ships?  Passenger and crew numbers vary considerably from ship to ship, but Tigh may have done more accurate math on the ones that had jumped earlier, then did a quick--but dependable--estimate when the last batch jumped.

:No, because he wasn't looking at a readout of WHICH ships had left; all he heard was "24 ships have left" with no names, so he couldn't be basing it on population, it had to be ship number;  of course the problem presented is what if he was rounding ''down''? --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:47, 30 October 2005 (EST)

::Yeah, and then there's context, too--if somebody's looking at/listening to information about ships, they would probably frame their immediate response to the information in terms of ships, too.  Rounding down would be the only way for the writers to explain their way out of the inconsistency.  That, or the Colonel's been taking math lessons from Billy. . . . --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 22:07, 30 October 2005 (EST)

:::From The Farm, we know that 24 ships was "almost a third of the fleet" - Tigh has no rason to underexagerate this. From Home, Part I, we know that the number of people in those 24 ships was actually a little over a third of the fleet's population. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 09:39, 31 October 2005 (EST)

Here's something to think about in regards to the size of the fleet and how it increased from 40 to over 70 since the mini-series.  In the mini-series, Roslin sent Boomer out with her Raptor to gather other ships which ended up with a ragtag fleet of 40 or so FTL-capabale ships and some other ships that were future space debris when they had to be left behind.  Adama sent out a Fleet Wide Communication for all capable ships to jump to the Ragnar Station and roundevous with the Galactica.  It's possible that the 30 or so extra ships that the fleet ended up with were other craft that recieved the communication and headed to Ragnar without hooking up with Rolsin's group.  Does anyone else agree with this assessment?  I think it's valid considering the chaning size of the fleet and would justify the presence of more than one refinery ship (one arrived with Roslin's group and others showed up in response to Adama's message).  --[[User:Ltcrashdown|Ltcrashdown]] 20:16, 1 January 2006 (EST)

: I think you may be losing sight of what's, well, possible. Several things established in the Mini were changed for the series. When they were making the Mini, they weren't sure that there was going to be a series, so they didn't exactly plan on it. So those thirty ships came out of the script room. However, since then, we can probably better assume that the fleet size will be more consistant and, thus, worth talking about in terms of in-the-show reasons. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:39, 1 January 2006 (EST)

::It's an admirable attempt at a [[Wikipedia:no-Prize|no-prize]], but has some problems of its own - Adama's order only went out to military units: "Send a message to all the colonial military units. Use priority channel one. Message begins: "Am taking command of fleet." Apollo then reads the message in full from Colonial One: "To all colonial units, am taking command of fleet. All units ordered to rendezvous at Ragnar anchorage for regroup and counterattack. Acknowledge by same encryption protocol, Adama."

::So I think I have to agree with Day - unless each of the 30 ships happened to have a colonial military officer with military ciphers on board, I don't see how they could have found Galactica at Ragnar. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:49, 1 January 2006 (EST)

:::Well, it was worth a try.  I thought I remembered the message only being for military ships, but if you consider that Dee or Gaeta are Cylons, then they may have 'accidentally' sent the message to non-military ships to increase the number of potential Cylon sleeper agents.  Just a thought. I figured the message from Adama was just about the only way for more ships to arrive.  --[[User:Ltcrashdown|Ltcrashdown]] 21:27, 1 January 2006 (EST)

::::I think what Tigh said in "The Farm" should be ignored because Dualla said in "33" that fifty three ships had jumped with ''Colonial One'' and nine other ships still had trouble, two ships that could be heard saying they were jumping in the background radio calls and ''Galactica'', giving us 66 ships. In "You Can't Go Home Again", Tigh says that there are 60-odd ships, meaning that there was about 65 ships. With the addtion of the ''Pegasus'', the number goes back to 66. On the vote tally boards, the one on ''Colonial One'' had 50 ships and ''Galactica'' had 54 names, plus the ones not included but mentioned in episodes bring it to 66 all up. ''Cloud 9'' and three other ships destroyed brought the number to 63 and two ships could've been taken apart to make the Cylon buildings on New Caprica (''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' had eighteen civilians ships, including a mining ship, the Space Park luxury liner, ''Celestra'', five-engined vessel, the six tubed vessel, the cargo transport seen orbitting near ''Cloud 9'' in [[Colonial Day]] and the wedge-shaped vessel). With the destruction of ''Pegasus'' and the disappearance of ''Adriatic'' and ''Carina'' the number could be anywhere between 58 and 61 ships.--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]]

:::::I think the number would actually be about 40 to 50 ships as of "[[The Passage]]" as each jump had at least 8 to about 10 ships in all five jumps.--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 16.19 Saturday 10 November 2007

::::::Someone said, that 17 ships were flown into the sun. [[:Image:Flotte im Orbit um die Erde.jpg|Here]] at the other Earth I can see more than 30 ships. Where should they all be gone? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 12:30, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, I made that edit. I counted 16 ships flying in formation around Galactica as they flew into the Sun (they were all clustered pretty close, so there didn't seem to be any off screen ships) so unless the Colonials decided to send all of their ships into the Sun in intervals (which doesn't really make sense), or some ships were converted into shelters (unlikely, as the Colonials gave up all their tech and set out into the wilderness with just what they had on their backs), that seems to be the entire Fleet. 17 ships (18 with the basestar, but that wasn't destroyed) and there were about 64 ships at the start of the series.- [[User:GalacticaActual|GalacticaActual]] 20:41, 19 Apric 2010 (UTC)

:::::::It's been a while since I've seen "Daybreak, Part II," so I'm not sure what's up with the discrepancy, other than the fact that they may have broken down some ships on Earth for use in shelters. Or it could just be a CGI effects gaffe, and maybe they just ran out of time. Both are equally plausible. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::Or the shot was only of a section of the fleet as the ships went into the Sun. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

== Botanical Cruiser ==

Kahran writes: ''(While the original was destroyed in the Mini-Series, various background shots have placed an FTL-equiped Botanical Cruiser in the fleet.)''

Are you sure that's not Cloud 9? They have similar external features. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:02, 27 November 2005 (EST)

::I'm positive it's the Botanical Cruiser.  They've re-used the FTL jump shot from the Mini Series at least once during season two. Durring "[[Scattered]]" when the fleet is making its emergencey jump there's a shot of various ships jumping away and right in the dead centre of the shot is the Botanical Cruiser from the Mini-Series. [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:32, 1 January 2006 (EST)

I noticed it too.  Curious, either a mistake (like the B5 shot of the Agamenon destroying civilian transports) or it could be that  it is a simalar fhip that IS equiped with FTL.  It's possible that drives are used on ship as needed.  If a ship is NOT intended to travel over interstallar distances, then it wouldn't need a FTL drive.  FTL drives are probably costly to make, maitain, or operate -- not to mention the fuel/energy requirments.  If a ship was only ment to operate in-system, an FTL drive might not have been cost effective.  The inclusion of an ARGO ship is a tip of the hat to ship's inclusion in the opriginal series.  In the original, stock footage of the ship from the movie SILENT RUNNING was used.  In this new show, an original designed vessel was created -- probably because people knew about the stck footage use -- [[User:Centuri|Centuri]] 06:29, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:The article for the [[Botanical Cruiser]] notes the origin. Yes, it was a recreation of the [[Agro Ship]] as an homage to the ships used in TOS, which were the redressed models used in ''Silent Running.''. That the Botanical Cruiser may seem to appear in the fleet suggests (from a story POV) that there is a FTL-capable ship of similar appearance that joined the Fleet. I think it's a gaffe--the visual effects people used stock footage or models and didn't think. Also, understand that FTL in the RDM series is apparent travel, not true "warp drive"-like flight. See the [[FTL]] article for a good synopsis. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:32, 8 January 2006 (EST)

== FTL ==

Acording to the article, in the original show "With the exception of Galactica, the ships were not capable of lightspeed. "  I would like to know where this particular tidbit came from.  As I remember some ships originallly were sub-light, but they were reto-fitted to be FTL capable.  The problem was that none of them were capable of HIGH FTL speeds.  Remember the specs of the Galactica show that she was capable of a flank speed of 10C.  Remember, they were croosing not just interstellar space, but intergalactic space.  If they were only in the Greater Magelanic Cloud, it would mean having to cover a distance of 140,000 light-years to get here.  At anything other than FTL, the goal would be unatainable.  Crossing interstellar distances requires FTL, no ifs, no ands, no buts.  -- [[User:Centuri|Centuri]] 06:29, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:In the RDM series, FTL is FTL, it's not a matter of speed, but of distance in terms of the "length" of a wormhole that can be made from place to place. RDM's universe sticks to Einsteinian theories. TOS stories generally were a mismash of "science" that sometimes got in the way of the story. The Fleet probably moves at a good distance on each Jump, but space is really big. Like their TOS counterparts, it will be some time before they find Earth. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:38, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:Also, they're not crossing intergalactic distances in this version. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

== Oh, Split ==

This article needs splitting and name-spacing, doesn't it? Into "The Fleet (RDM)" and "The Fleet (TOS)"? Is there a good reason not to split it that I don't know about, or... can I do it this evening? I was planning on moving it to "The Fleet (RDM)" and then copy/pasting to the TOS page and then making this one a disambiguation page. --[[User:Day|Day]] 10:30, 10 January 2006 (EST)

:No, go ahead. You might leave a redirect to the RDM article for now - I'll help you go link hunting tonight. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:10, 10 January 2006 (EST)

:This is a happy kind of work that has to be done, now that our TOS pages are coming into their own. I'll look for double redirects and the like after you two pick through. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:56, 10 January 2006 (EST)

::Blech. That's my half. It's all you, spence. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:20, 10 January 2006 (EST)

== Meholennia ==

I was watching "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II" and watched in slow motion and saw the ship ''Meholennia''. Should I add it? [[User:CoreyDanian|Sr. Lt. Corey &quot;Shadow&quot; Danian]] 04:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
: Screencap? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Aurora-passenger liner in "The Plan"? ==

Looking at stuff from Propworx, it had seats from the same variety as ''Colonial One'' that were on sale. I then saw "The Plan" on the ship that Shelly Godfrey escaped on. Is it possible she escaped on the ''Aurora'' or is it just ''Pyxis''? [[User:CoreyDanian|Corey &quot;Shadow&quot; Danian]] 03:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Cybele ==

Can someone somehow unlock ''Cybele'' so we can make a page for it cause each time I try, it returns to [[The Fleet (RDM)]] page. ''Cybele'' was named and appeared in [[The Plan]] so it deserves a page. Time to get off our arses and do something for a change while waiting for Caprica. [[User:CoreyDanian|Corey &quot;Shadow&quot; Danian]] 13:13, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


== Seen but unnamed ==
Today I have found a [[:Image:Unbekanntes Schiff.jpg|new ship]] in the fleet. I cannot say what class it is. Can anybody identify it? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 17:52, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

:Thats the ''Kodiak''-type vessel thats been mentioned frequently. It is also that Unknown Yellow Vessel I've been talking about for months. Thanks for the pic. [[User:CoreyDanian|Corey &quot;Shadow&quot; Danian]] 07:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

::ok. Maybe I can find a better picture. --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 20:40, 19 April 2010 (UTC) 

== Blood on the Scales ==

In "[[Blood on the Scales]]", when Gaeta says "10 ships out of 35." it said that 35 civilian ships in the fleet. But this could discount ''Colonial One'' as it was on ''Galactica'' at the time. It is possible that there are 36 ships in the fleet, given they've lost ships in "[[The Passage]]" and "[[He That Believeth In Me]]", not to mention the year or so on [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]) and the escape ([[Exodus, Part II]]). Here's a list of ships that could confirm in the end: <br>
<br>
''Astral Queen'' (1) <br>
''Celestra'' (2) <br>
''Colonial One'' (3) <br>
''Chrion'' (4) <br>
''Cybele'' (5) <br>
''Demetrius'' (6) <br>
''Gemini'' (7) <br>
''Gideon'' (8) <br>
''Hitei Kan'' (9) <br>
''Monarch'' (10) <br>
''Prometheus'' (11) <br>
''Rising Star'' (12) <br>
''Striker'' (13) <br>
''Thera Sita'' (14) <br>
''Zephyr'' (15) <br>
3 Colonial Movers heavy freighters (16, 17, 18) <br>
1 Gemini Freights heavy freighter (19) <br>
1 Pan Galactic passenger liner (20) <br>
1 Gemon Liners passenger liner (21) <br>
1 Wedge-shaped vessel (22) <br>
1 Mining ship (23) <br>
3 ''Kimba Huta''-type transport-freighters (24, 25, 26)  <br>
1 ''Kodiak''-type vessel (27) <br>
1 long-necked vessel (28) <br>
2 vessels based on the ship seen in "[[Razor]]" (29, 30) <br>
1 Botanical Cruiser (31) <br>
1 ''Astral Queen''-type vessel (32) <br>
1 ''Scylla''-type vessel (33) <br>
2 salvage and repairs flattop vessels (34, 35) <br>
1 vessel that was seen underneath ''Cloud Nine'' in the opening of "[[Colonial Day]]" (36) <br>
<br>
Mentioned only (since "Collaborators") <br>
''Argo Navis'' <br>
''Aurora'' <br>
''Enkidu'' <br>
''Faru Sadin'' <br>
''Greenleaf'' <br>
''Inchon Velle'' <br>
''Salpica'' <br>

[[User:CoreyDanian|Corey &quot;Shadow&quot; Danian]] 04:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== References ==

Is there an actual need to have the mythical references in the mentioned only category? Shouldn't there be references to to the actual in-series stuff? [[User:CoreyDanian|Corey &quot;Shadow&quot; Danian]] 08:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Cleaning ==

As I translate this article in French, I noticed that this article is written from a real world point of wiew (like Wikipedia). Many informations are important, but should be moved inside a Notes section at the bottem to keep a neutral "in-universe" point of view.--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 15:48, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== Mentioned Only Ships ==

Is it really necessary to have the references to how the ships got their names and their link to our world cultures. As I see it, the reference clog up the page too much with unwanted information. Wouldn't it be easier to have the references removed and replaced by links to wikipedia?
--[[User:CoreyDanian|Corey &quot;Shadow&quot; Danian]] 23:09, 28 August 2014 (EDT)
:Yes, for many users, it is conceivably necessary.  It's just basic information about the real-world sources of the names, providing minimal context for those who are not familiar with these things.  Having to leave the page for every simple definition would be inconvenient.  Wikipedia links are for those who want to go deeper than the basics.  -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 16:49, 29 August 2014 (EDT)
::I just think it makes things messy. [[User:CoreyDanian|Corey &quot;Shadow&quot; Danian]] 20:16, 29 August 2014 (EDT)
:::I disagree with you on that.  However, if you could streamline some of the details without eliminating them, that could be a benefit. -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 22:54, 29 August 2014 (EDT)
::::I'll see what I can do. I've been planning to do a massive rewatch of the series in the meantime to gather as much information as possible so this might be helpful to that.--[[User:CoreyDanian|Corey &quot;Shadow&quot; Danian]] 01:12, 30 August 2014 (EDT)