Editing Talk:Standoff Between Galactica and Pegasus/Archive 1

==Deletion Discussion==

I can see Ricimer's arguement here. It wasn't so much a battle as it was a Mexican Standoff. I say delete. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:03, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:I haven't had access to a computer for the last few days, so I wasn't able to update this myself.  You see ORIGINALLY, I thought they were going to shoot at each other...by which I mean, after I watched "[[Pegasus (episode)]]".  I left "Galactica vs Pegasus" as a PLACEHOLDER NAME when I read reports that they were going to fight the Cylon Resurrection Ship ''without actually shooting at each other first'', because I didn't want to add "Spoilers".  Had I gotten here earlier would have simply deleted this Placeholder name entirely, and created the Battle of the Resurrection Ship page.  I also have a long list on the talk page for "Battle of the Resurrection Ship" which I should really leave up as rules for future battles.  Meanwhile, I would like to (in a fit of annoyance for a minute) say that I think it was a poorly planned idea to update the entire wiki with minor edits such as switching all the links to "William Adama", etc RIGHT AFTER a big site update like the last 2 week gap we had.  You see, I'm not against this, but against the quantity of it; the "recent changes" button only records the last 500 things that have been changed, and doing several hundred link changes in rapid succession has made it impossible to easily reference changes made; this is important because many people like myself did not know when Battlestar Wiki was going to "reload", and now cannot easily see what has been changed.  I don't mean to whine, sorry, but imagine yourself in my position; coming back with updates from an entiire new episode to make, and not having a full record of what has been happening for the past few days.  Oh...I'll catch up over the weekend.  I get bye.  While I'm at it, I think I've going to change my screename soon to "The Merovingian"; it's the screename I use on all other galactica sites (official messageboard, Galactica Actual, Nicki Clyne fan site), and I really should have been using it since day 1 anyway.  Be seeing you...--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]]17:38, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::I do not mind the existence of this page as viewers who see episode 10 (but not 11) are left thinking of imminent battle. I'll let consensus rule here and delete it after about a week if no opposition is made. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:41, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:::I'd prefer to keep it. By way of analogy, the Cold War was still a war, even if no shots were fired. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:12, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::::Yeah, but I'm basing this on Wikipedia's battle box system, and they don't ''have'' battles for the Cold War political scenario.  Thus it should be deleted. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] [[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:03, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:::::Although Wikipedia is full of good ideas, we are not slaves to their conventions. '''Keep'''. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:38, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::::::Had I come here earlier, I would have removed this placeholder.  If *nothing* is shot, it doesn't deserve a page; think about it; it's ENTIRipELY just stuff in "Resurrection Ship, Part I"--Ricimer, [[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:44, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:::::::In the real world I am known for voicing my opinion (after serious contemplation), so I why not do so on the internet... There were no shots fired, there were no casualties... it was essentially a bunch of posturing. This does not constitute a battle. My vote is to: DELETE it! --[[User:Cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 01:48, 21 January 2006 (EST)

::::::::Because it's still a relevant conflict in the series, which very nearly boiled over into an armed confrontation. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:27, 21 January 2006 (EST)

: [[Galactica vs. Pegasus]] is a very important conflict in the series.  Yes, it wasn't a battle, but could have very well disentegrated into one.  Perhaps we should reclassify this page as a conflict rather than an actual battle... but deleting it is absurd, particularly since it is such a pivotal plot point. Also, to reply to your point regarding the minor edits made immediately after the update... you can always go through and select to hide all minor edits. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:27, 21 January 2006 (EST)

::I still believe that the place for this information is soley in the episode guide, not here. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13:46, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:::I do not believe that this event should constitute a "battle" since, as others have pointed out, the situation was a standoff and did not evolve into a full conflict.  I suggest deleting this article and combining the information into the [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship]] article. -- [[User:Nwobkwr|Nwobkwr]] 01:43, 22 January 2006 (EST)

::::Those were not the same conflict. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:22, 22 January 2006 (EST)

::::After review of article and other comment, I choose now to keep. Anytime that fighters are scrambled is an event, especially given that two battlestars are about to fight. Think of it as sparring between two famous boxers like Ali and Frazier, or between popular fictional characters such as Morpheus and Neo. Does either have to win for this particular purpose? No. It's the event, not the result, that is the news here. I also vote to keep...the chicken fight shows interesting Colonial "top gun" flying tactics that are worth study.

::::Currently, the vote (excluding repetitive entries) is 4 to delete, versus 3 to keep. We should solicit a few more voices, say, through Sunday, and then take action. To avoid confusion, if you have already given your vote, refrain from further commentary for others to express their view. I've summarized the current votes where others can add their vote or change it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:25, 26 January 2006 (EST)

'''Keep.''' Important conflict. "Don't draw unless you're willing to pull the trigger," is a good rule, and both parties drew (by launching Vipers). The fact that they didn't pull the trigger shouldn't diminish the significance of the act. Even though no shot was fired, ''Galactica'' and her Vipers pretty well [[Wikipedia:Assault|assaulted]] ''Pegasus'' (though I'm not sure whether such terminology/legalese translates to the capital ship/fighter level). However, NOT a battle. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:06, 26 January 2006 (EST)


Now, after this vote will we be discussing whether it should remain as part of the "battles" series, or is a vote for keep also a vote for inclusion in the series? --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:46, 27 January 2006 (EST)
:The vote is arguing for its continued existence and current location in the battle series pages. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:54, 27 January 2006 (EST)

==Votes==

====Delete====

# - [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:03, 19 January 2006 (EST)
# - [[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:38, 19 January 2006
# - [[User:Cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 01:48, 21 January 2006 (EST)
# - [[User:Nwobkwr|Nwobkwr]] 01:43, 22 January 2006 (EST)

====Keep====

# - [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:12, 19 January 2006 (EST)
# - [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:27, 21 January 2006 (EST)
# - [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:41, 19 January 2006 (EST)
# - [[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 04:05, 26 January 2006 (EST)
# - [[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:44, 26 January 2006 (EST)
# - [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:06, 26 January 2006 (EST)
# - [[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 19:16, 26 January 2006 (EST)
# - [[User:Day|Day]] 02:35, 27 January 2006 (EST)

Voting time completed per my arbitrary time to Sunday completion. The vote favors keeping the page, so the delete tag is removed, and the page remains. Comments (in a Notes section) that summarize this article's merits or the "top gun" tactics shown might be a useful addition. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:35, 29 January 2006 (EST)
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 ::I do not mind the existence of this page as viewers who see episode 10 (but not 11) are left thinking of imminent battle. I'll let consensus rule here and delete it after about a week if no opposition is made. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:41, 19 January 2006 (EST)
-:::I'd prefer to keep it. By way of analogy, the Cold War was still a war, even if no shots were fired. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:12, 19 January 2006 (EST)
+:::I'd prefer to keep it. By way of analogy, the Cold War was still a war, even if no shots were fired. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:12, 19 January 2006 (EST)
 ::::Yeah, but I'm basing this on Wikipedia's battle box system, and they don't ''have'' battles for the Cold War political scenario.  Thus it should be deleted. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] [[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:03, 19 January 2006 (EST)
-:::::Although Wikipedia is full of good ideas, we are not slaves to their conventions. '''Keep'''. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:38, 19 January 2006 (EST)
+:::::Although Wikipedia is full of good ideas, we are not slaves to their conventions. '''Keep'''. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:38, 19 January 2006 (EST)
 ::::::Had I come here earlier, I would have removed this placeholder.  If *nothing* is shot, it doesn't deserve a page; think about it; it's ENTIRipELY just stuff in "Resurrection Ship, Part I"--Ricimer, [[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:44, 19 January 2006 (EST)
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 :::::::In the real world I am known for voicing my opinion (after serious contemplation), so I why not do so on the internet... There were no shots fired, there were no casualties... it was essentially a bunch of posturing. This does not constitute a battle. My vote is to: DELETE it! --[[User:Cp.hayes|cp.hayes]] 01:48, 21 January 2006 (EST)
-::::::::Because it's still a relevant conflict in the series, which very nearly boiled over into an armed confrontation. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:27, 21 January 2006 (EST)
+::::::::Because it's still a relevant conflict in the series, which very nearly boiled over into an armed confrontation. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:27, 21 January 2006 (EST)
 : [[Galactica vs. Pegasus]] is a very important conflict in the series.  Yes, it wasn't a battle, but could have very well disentegrated into one.  Perhaps we should reclassify this page as a conflict rather than an actual battle... but deleting it is absurd, particularly since it is such a pivotal plot point. Also, to reply to your point regarding the minor edits made immediately after the update... you can always go through and select to hide all minor edits. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:27, 21 January 2006 (EST)
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 :::I do not believe that this event should constitute a "battle" since, as others have pointed out, the situation was a standoff and did not evolve into a full conflict.  I suggest deleting this article and combining the information into the [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship]] article. -- [[User:Nwobkwr|Nwobkwr]] 01:43, 22 January 2006 (EST)
-::::Those were not the same conflict. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:22, 22 January 2006 (EST)
+::::Those were not the same conflict. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:22, 22 January 2006 (EST)
 ::::After review of article and other comment, I choose now to keep. Anytime that fighters are scrambled is an event, especially given that two battlestars are about to fight. Think of it as sparring between two famous boxers like Ali and Frazier, or between popular fictional characters such as Morpheus and Neo. Does either have to win for this particular purpose? No. It's the event, not the result, that is the news here. I also vote to keep...the chicken fight shows interesting Colonial "top gun" flying tactics that are worth study.
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 ====Keep====
-# - [[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:12, 19 January 2006 (EST)
+# - [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:12, 19 January 2006 (EST)
 # - [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:27, 21 January 2006 (EST)
 # - [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:41, 19 January 2006 (EST)
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 Voting time completed per my arbitrary time to Sunday completion. The vote favors keeping the page, so the delete tag is removed, and the page remains. Comments (in a Notes section) that summarize this article's merits or the "top gun" tactics shown might be a useful addition. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:35, 29 January 2006 (EST)
-== Name / Title ==
-"Galactica vs. Pegasus" does not follow any standard battle/conflict/etc. naming conventions.  It needs to be "Battle of ''name or place''" or "Standoff at ''place''" or something.  Does anyone know of any striking title from the episode that would work well?  Personally, I go for "Confrontation for Helo's Body" but not seriously. - [[User:Keithustus]] 14:25, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
-:There was no place name given. Trying to think of historical precedents - the "Battle of Hampton Roads" is sometimes referred to as the "Battle Between the Monitor and Merrimack". That suggests "Battle Between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''", by analogy. The problem with this is that there was no actual battle - "Galactica vs. Pegasus" has the advantage of indicating a conflict took place without naming the variety. With that in mind, I would consider perhaps "Standoff Between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:32, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
-:Peter's suggestion is fine to me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:41, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
-::Sounds good to me too, I like it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:10, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
-:::Agreed. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:15, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
-::::Sounds good. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:53, 8 October 2006 (CDT)