Editing Talk:Someone to Watch Over Me/Archive 1

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==Title==
Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gaeta ==

Gaeta was executed in [[Blood on the Scales]], yet he is listed as guest in this episode. Do we have a definite source for this?
:Just because he's dead, doesn't mean he can't return as a hallucination, or flashback, or dream, or vision etc, like [[Elosha]], Adama's wife, [[Ellen Tigh]] (but that was before we found out she was a Cylon though). -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:PS, after looking through the page history, [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/877/877683p1.html this is the source]. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Projections ==

Now that we are aware Cylons can project non-existent people, do these "imaginary people" get their own article, or a new page be made for all projections? -[[User:Federationrulz|Federationrulz]] 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, there is a page on [[Projection]], it should probably be included there. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Boomer's motivations ==

I think it's really premature to state so conclusively that Boomer's kidnapping of Hera was ordered or orchestrated by Cavil. If the upcoming episodes confirm that, okay, but right now, it is only speculation. Just because Roslin says it doesn't mean it's true. 

My impression is that Boomer's actions were more selfish than that. The rebels want to kill her as a traitor, and if Cavil DIDN'T authorize her freeing Ellen Tigh, Cavil is not going to be happy to see her again, either. Hera is the one thing that both sides potentially want, and thus a lever Boomer can use to save her own ass.

Unless the next episode sheds more light on this, I think it's more appropriate to frame that point as a question, e.g., "Did Cavil orchestrate Boomer's 'rescue' of Ellen in order to get his hands on Hera?"

--[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission.  Cavil was/is behind it all.  With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera.  However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though.  My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five.  Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone.  He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.

Another angle:  Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet.  He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth.  He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble.  Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back.  Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it.  I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation.  The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.

== Timeline? ==

Currently there is a note that:

"Weeks have passed since the end of the mutiny, as evidenced by Cottle's comment about how long Anders' EKG readings have remained steady."

Cottle's comment is about Ander's "unprecedented, and frankly bizarre" readings which "haven't changed in weeks", which occurred at the end of episode 16, but later the comment is made that Thigh's "just lost his child", which happened around the same time.

Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

==The Piano Player==
Although it's quite possible the piano player is Starbuck's father, we don't know this for certain. And this show is known for sending out false signals. (Exhibit A: Tigh being a Cylon). I reworded it slightly, but I would recommend we hold off making such an absolute statement until it's confirmed in one of the remaining episodes. It could be just as possible that Starbuck was projecting. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:RDM, Bear McCreary and the writers have all confirmed that Slick is indeed a vision of Kara's father. And how is Tigh being a Cylon a false signal? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Kara Thrace/Father ==

Just a hunch.. there was talk that the #7 Cylon (Daniel) was a musician or artsy kinda guy. Kara's apparent father is a musician... had to leave his wife and Kara... (his death, by the cavil's). 

My Theory ... Kara is an offspring of a Cylon... could explain her resurrection, father, mysterious knowledge of the music... and her connection to final 5/Hera. 

I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING!!!

*Welcome to the other side of the looking glass! It would also explain her tendancy to draw things that she has never actually seen...another talent she shares with Hera. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*I have to agree.  Kara being a Cylon/human hybrid would explain much.  Her art.  Her precognition.  Her missing father.  Her misfit personality.  Her preternatural prowess in the cockpit.  It still leaves open the question of how (if?) she resurrected.  If I had to bet money right now, I'd say she resurrected in Ellen's as-yet-unseen lab.  Wonder where she got a factory-fresh Viper, though?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 03:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**I agree with the notion that Kara is Daniel's daughter and being only half Cylon. Perhaps they needed Kara's ovaries to clone Kara in the way we understand cloning. In otherwords Starbuck has more in common with [[Wikipedia:Dolly (sheep)|Dolly the Sheep]] than the Final Five and Significant Eight. Still, her new body must have been grown much like a "regular" Cylon in a vat and of course (I think) her conscious downloaded into that Cylon Heavy Raider that was seen near Kara's Viper just before it imploded in the atmosphere of the Gas Giant (I would think). As for the viper, a souvenir from the first Cylon War? I have this feeling that there are a lot of Daniels hiding out in order to pull this off LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Dying Galactica ==

Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself.  The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that.  Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop.  The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl.  I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go.  I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason:  it's too obvious.  RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past.  I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Interesting goop theory ==

Tell me what you think of this theory of mine:
Daniel is indeed Kara's father, and it's current organic form is the goop used to strenghten the Galactica itself, derived from his degenerated regeration fluid.
This would explain why both Hera and Kara are influenced by music just now, as the goop matures and increase in mass,  and why Adama has been saying for weeks that Galactica will be the same on the outside, but what will it become?
Daniel in this form could have been watching over humans and every cylon faction, since the goop is used in starbases and it obviously had at a time a human form, and so be in a position to be in more places at once too, giving him the seemingly omniscent powers needed to close the series ... 
Organic non human cylons are a fact (raiders)
If the Galactica becomes an embodiement of Daniel's, raiders probably won't attack it also if Cavil orders it ...
Imagine the Galactica growing a glowing mono-eye? :)
*Interesting theory, but I hope they don't go down this road.  Omniscient starships make for bad drama.  As for raiders being unable to attack a goopified Galactica, I imagine Cavil could easily blow the Galactica to smithereens using just baseship weapons.  And we know the baseships can fire on other baseships due to Cavil blowing away several at the start of the Cylon civil war.  The idea of a Galactica with a glowing eye...creepy.  Kind of like having a having a dead loved one raised from the grave as a zombie, shambling around.  I certainly hope they don't go this route.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

anyway Kara's ancestry is demonstrated also by her ability to pilot a raider from the inside, she was the only one to be able to do it
*This last one isn't true.  Bulldog stole a raider and piloted it back to Galactica when he escaped the Cylon cell he was being held in.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar  to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing.  [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
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 :after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
 Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
-*Gaeta's invisible ghost is damned to walk the decks of CIC for all eternity, observing Adama finally succeeding in bringing humanity back from the brink, thus totally discrediting Gaeta's mutinous ideas.  Fitting punishment for trying to evict Adama from his own ship.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 == Projections ==
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 --[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
-*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission.  Cavil was/is behind it all.  With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera.  However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though.  My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five.  Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone.  He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
+*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission.  Cavil was/is behind it all.  With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera.  However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though.  My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five.  Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone.  He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.
-*Another angle:  Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet.  He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth.  He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble.  Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back.  Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it.  I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation.  The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
+Another angle:  Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet.  He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth.  He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble.  Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back.  Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it.  I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation.  The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.
-**Well, [Islanded in a Sea of Stars] (and RDM's commentary track for [Someone to Watch Over Me] made my point irrelevant. Although from Cavil's behavior in Islanded, I wonder if he has something more complicated in mind for Hera than just a hostage to convince Ellen and the others to rebuild resurrection technology. --[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 10:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
-::He does. And that's the Second time Boomer's busted the port water tank. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 == Timeline? ==
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 Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 :Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
-Speaking of Anders' readings, I would say they are definitely, in fact, All Along the Watchtower. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 ==The Piano Player==
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 Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself.  The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that.  Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop.  The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl.  I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go.  I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason:  it's too obvious.  RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past.  I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
-*Well, I can only say it's moving closer and closer to that 100% certainty.  "Islanded" just finished with Adama ordering a general evac of the ship.  Adama speaks to Tigh of "sending the old girl out in style".  The teaser for next week shows what appears to be Adama asking for volunteers for a one-way mission.  My guess:  Starbuck will get the location of the colony from Sam, Adama will assemble a skeleton crew on Galactica to go get Hera, and we have all the pieces in place for a final, glorious duel to the death between Galactica and Cavil -- one where Galactica will serve some important sacrificial role that allows the rest of humanity, the rebel Cylons, and Hera to forge some kind of new future.  I'm going to further bet that the Battle To End All Battles is saved for the final episode, that we only see its beginning at the very end of next week's ep.  After all, if Cavil's forces are destroyed, Hera recovered, and the Galactica is trashed next week, what could RDM & Co. possibly show us in the final episode?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 == Interesting goop theory ==
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 **DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar  to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing.  [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 ***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
-== Updating Wiki ==
-hi guys. bsg isnt being shown in south africa at all so we have to wait for the dvd release to see the whole show. but being the fan that i am i simply cant wait until then to know what happens, so i rely heavily on the content in this wiki to follow the story. i know it must be really hard work but could you guys update so i wont go insane:)
-the acts specifically i mean. i read the analysis and it was like OMG BOOMER ESCAPES WITH TYROLS HELP??! AND HERA? WHAT HAPPENED?
-a desperate fan form the dark continent
-:Our apologies. Wikis depend not only on its contributors but available time to complete articles, particularly episode summaries. You're not the only one that's waiting. I've handled many summaries; I'll do what I can tonight to keep you up to date! :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
-== Is anyone going to finish the summary? ==
-Is anyone going to finish completing the summary? It's been about a week now. -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 21:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
-:I noticed you asked the same question at [[Talk:Blood on the Scales]] ... I basically have the same answers for you. [[BW:BOLD|Be bold]]. :)   I've been a bit more caught up with other edits, but if something doesn't show up here soon I will take a crack at it ... I need something to do while waiting for "Islanded" to air anyway. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 21:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
-:I might get to it this evening as well before the next episode plays. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
-:Okay, maybe I should just start doing it... -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 20:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)