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| :::::::::Either one. Emotionally, Tory is in just the same place as Gina... except how they got there differed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC) | | :::::::::Either one. Emotionally, Tory is in just the same place as Gina... except how they got there differed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC) |
| ::::::::::The latter possibility ''seems'' a bit extreme at first glance, but everyone he sleeps with seems to go crazy, die or both soon after, so the [[w:Discworld (world)#The power of belief|law of narrative causality]] says she's a ticking time bomb, hopefully she won't be able to get her hands on any warheads. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC) | | ::::::::::The latter possibility ''seems'' a bit extreme at first glance, but everyone he sleeps with seems to go crazy, die or both soon after, so the [[w:Discworld (world)#The power of belief|law of narrative causality]] says she's a ticking time bomb, hopefully she won't be able to get her hands on any warheads. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC) |
| First of all, Tigh didn't suggest that she sleeps with Baltar. This should be corrected in the article. He said "You don't have to get on your back for him". She could have just flirted and strung him along until she found if he knows something.
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| Second, she really didn't have to sleep with Baltar, especially since he was talking anyway, without much prompting from her. And what does she do after his melody speech? Instead of staying and trying to find out more, she runs away, visibly shaken by what he said. And then she jumps in bed with him right afterwards?! If she were that repulsed by the idea of sleeping with him, why did she do it? Sorry, guys, but since their conversation, she didn't seem repusled by him, this is only your wishful thinking, I'm afraid. She was clearly touched by his words... it looks to me like Baltar might have just converted her, or at least started to, to monotheism...she may be the first of the Four to accept her Cylon nature.
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| Third, how is Tory "in the same place" as Gina?! Please explain! I don't see any similarity?!
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| [[User:FrakkinToasterLover|FrakkinToasterLover]]
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| :You can just change such small things yourself. Just some words here and there. I just did that :) I think the analysis item covers the uncertain nature of Foster's action well enough (it's different from some of the posts here). It mentions that she is captivated by Baltar's words and sleeps with him despite her revulsion. Furthermore it states that the cause of her crying, as well as how far Baltar has charmed her, are somewhat unclear. How that develops remains to be seen and will be analyzed in the next episode guide(s) then.-- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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| I think the most dubious question is what will happen to the fleet's sewage. Does nobody else think this is just pathetic? {{unsigned|MiAd}} | | I think the most dubious question is what will happen to the fleet's sewage. Does nobody else think this is just pathetic? {{unsigned|MiAd}} |
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| The question "Is the Eight dancing in front of Cavil Sharon Valerii? Does this signify anything?" is unimportant/answered. A dancing/training Eight appeared in "[[Torn]]" already, and the reason why Cavil watches is that she is nude. Baltar in "Torn" was more polite ;-) --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 21:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC) | | The question "Is the Eight dancing in front of Cavil Sharon Valerii? Does this signify anything?" is unimportant/answered. A dancing/training Eight appeared in "[[Torn]]" already, and the reason why Cavil watches is that she is nude. Baltar in "Torn" was more polite ;-) --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 21:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
| :Given the later developments of the episode, the logical inference is that we're seeing a Cavil petitioning Boomer for her vote. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC) | | :Given the later developments of the episode, the logical inference is that we're seeing a Cavil petitioning Boomer for her vote. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC) |
| ::That and they may have a relationship. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC) | | ::That and they may have a relationship. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC) |
| :::That's completely absurd. We know that Eights are inclined to non-sexualized nudity ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Torn]], and have absolutely no other reason to make such an inference. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC) | | :::That's completely absurd. We know that Eights are inclined to non-sexualized nudity ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Torn]], and have absolutely no other reason to make such an inference. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC) |
| ::::The episode has a few possible hints of something going on between the One and Boomer. It's ambiguous, particularly because she's an Eight, however I think that the scene at least foreshadows Boomer siding with the Ones. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
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| :::::Foreshadowing FTW. Wow. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
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| :This one: "With the Demetrius leaving under Starbuck's command, how will the Fleet's sewage be dealt with?"... The main question is, do we really care? What are the chances the writers are going to devote screentime to the dramatic tensions of sewage processing? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
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| ::True, of course, but by the same logic we would have to remove about half the questions in most articles, because they will never be addressed or answered either. While not a small number of questions are indeed trivial and even groan inducing, there are some good rhetorical ones that just serve to get one to think about something. (not including this one :p) However, in general, I'm not a fan of how the question section is often used to ask about seemingly most minor and irrelevant things. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
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| == "Admiral Atheus"? == | | == "Admiral Atheus"? == |
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| :: That's what I was thinking. Frankly, I feel she just didn't enunciate when she was speaking... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC) | | :: That's what I was thinking. Frankly, I feel she just didn't enunciate when she was speaking... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
| :::Actually, it I misread something. "Atheus" is not a name, but it's simply greek for "atheist". Probably even the root of the modern word. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC) | | :::Actually, it I misread something. "Atheus" is not a name, but it's simply greek for "atheist". Probably even the root of the modern word. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
| ::::Atheus is actually how us southerners pronounce atheist ;-) -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
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| == Helo might not be going with Thrace on the ''Demetrius'' ==
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| :Adama: Helo handpicked a crew for you. I'm giving you a ship. Hope you can stand the smell.
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| :Agathon: We liberated the ''Demetrius''. It's a sewage recycling ship. Party line will be that we're going on a scouting mission, looking for food.
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| When Helo says "we", he could be referring to the Fleet's military command sending them out, and not "we" as in Kara and him. And Helo is CAG, he is needed on ''Galactica'' and too visible to be sent out on a "maybe Kara is right" sideshow mission. We'll see soon enough ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 04:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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| :If you wish to be spoiled, look at the pics in ''[[The Road Less Travelled]]'' for the answer. However, you will probably get a much better response for this type of discussion at [http://www.battlestarforum.com/ Battlestar Forum]. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
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| ==Lee's Toasts==
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| These are quite close to the real world traditional naval toasts - This along with Helo's providing a special box of glasses to carry them out suggests to me that the drinking of these might be a common ritual for departing officers. Not sure if it's worth chucking in the article somewhere but it's here for now.
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| :Sunday ............... Absent friends. - Used Directly
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| :Monday ...............Our ships at sea. - "Galactica"
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| :Tuesday .............. Our men. - "The Men and Women of Galactica"
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| :Wednesday ..........Ourselves (as no one else is likely to concern themselves with our welfare). - "The Admiral...etc"
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| :Thursday ............. A bloody war or a sickly season.
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| :Friday ..................A willing foe and sea room.
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| :Saturday ............. Sweethearts and wives (may they never meet). - used more or less directly.
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| [[User:Grible|Grible]] 10:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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| == Possible Error? ==
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| Natalie's shock about Boomer joining the Ones, Fours and Fives about the reconfiguration of the raiders surprised me as was it not her own model that had this same assurance on New Caprica when Caprica Six did not agree with the other Sixes (along with the other Cylons), about using harsher measures. Error in writing perhaps? -- [[User:Centurion|Centurion]] 16:04, 18 April 2008 (GMT)
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| :I think the difference is that Caprica didn't vote against her model, she just didn't agree. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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| : Noneofyourbusiness beat me to it... But, anyway, Caprica Six doesn't vehemently object to much of anything that happens on New Caprica after a while. She never voted against her model line, although she doesn't necessarily agree with what's happening on New Caprica... since there was never a schism in Cylon society like you've seen in this episode. Even on New Caprica, the Cylons were pretty much acting as a whole unit, and Caprica Six voting against her own model would have only put her further at odds in Cylon society. Plus it would not have mattered, since she would've been outvoted anyway. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Also, back on New Caprica, there were still [[Number Three|seven]] models, so it was impossible for an individual Cylon to swing the vote. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 18:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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| ==Actual Air Force Rank==
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| I'm not sure if this is worth mentioning, but in Lee's "retirement" scene when he is standing beside his father in the pilot rec area, there is a shadow box behind them that has the E-2 and E-5 Air Force ranks in it. Maybe this was a shout out to the original show? [[User:Cjs0216|Cjs0216]] 15:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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| : Yeah, the set dec folk used a lot of military patches and other emblems throughout the show, particularly for background pieces such as the shadowboxes. It's worth mentioning, but I'm not sure where exactly. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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