Editing Talk:Resurrection Ship/Archive 1

I thought that the unknown cylon ship was shaped like a taurus? The ship that Starbuck took photos of in the blackbird was definintly not the same ship that was seen in Cain's earlier recon photos. Is this a completley different ship? Or did the writers just change the design of it because they didnt like the donut shaped one? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 23:19, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:Good question. That original shot in Pegasus looked different to me too. If you listen to the podcast for this episode it only gets more confusing. RDM says that the design for the Reurrection Ship was finalized quite a while back. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 23:27, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:: It is extremely blurred in the photos, as far as I can tell. Hence the recon op. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:33, 6 January 2006 (EST)

Perhaps. After looking at it carefully, the ship in the recon photo looks like it could be the ship we saw in Res Ship part 1, if you put it "on its side" in relation to the basestars. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 23:42, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:::That was what I was thinking. It may look different from a different angle. Perhaps we should use this [http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/935/resship5fk.jpg pic] as another pic? Unless, ofcourse, someone has a better pic (hopefully). [[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:::: The Resurrection ship in The Pegasus episode look more like an original basestar rather than a triangalur Prism.

:::::Correct for values of "more" == "not at all". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:20, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:::::I think we should wait for Ragnar Anchorage or someone else to post better caps, if by the end of today no one has, I'll give a link to a site that does have them up already, though they are smaller (by format) than the ones RA normally posts..--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 January 2006

Is there either a suitable nomenclature to refer to any Cylon with a biological component?  Since the resurrection ship can download both Humano-Cylons and Raiders, I wanted a way to refer to both with a single term.  Bio-Cylon seemed appropriate, though I now see it's already been negatively hijacked by original series purists.  Other than the blurb I added at the end, this article refers exclusively to the resurrection of the humanoid form, which, we now know from "[[Scar]]", is technically insufficient.  I wouldn't want to clutter up the entire article with the hybrid reference; a single clarification would suffice.  I don't think my addition quite does the trick, though.  --[[User:Timtrout|Timtrout]] 02:33, 7 February 2006 (EST)

:The matter was under fairly heated discussion recently. [[Humano-Cylon]] is the term currently in use, but I expect this to change in the near future. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:42, 7 February 2006 (EST)

::If you're looking for a catch-all term referring to both humanoid Cylons and Raiders (which are kind of the step halfway between humanoid Cylons and Centurions), I would go with "bio-mechanical models".--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 03:35, 7 February 2006 (EST)

==Speculation==

This is really just pure speculation that it is "slower"

''
Other effects may include delayed resurrection of Cylon Agents in the colonies, since resurrecting around a dozen Cylons now takes around 36 hours, whereas before resurrection was instantaneous. This probably means that only small scale Resurrection Apparatae have been installed in the Colonies, rednering the process far slower than with the Resurrection Ship, which could revive dozens of Cylons simultaneousley("[[Downloaded]]").''

--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:17, 25 February 2006 (EST)


:True, it is, but here is a new fact for the Resurrection Ship. When Sharon and Six get resurrected, the room they are in is inside the Resurrection Ship. I am sure of this. In the background you see empty pods, exactly the same as teh ones previousley seen in the ship, with the whole "Rib" edge and open middle. There is also a sort of mechanism to which they are attached, which implies they enter the room in the pod, then the body is removed (perhaps by other machinery) and placed in the tank. Here is a cap of a detail of the pod...

Resurrection Room:  

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[http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/ResurrectionRoom.jpg]
[http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/ResurrectionRoom1.jpg]

Far Away
[http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/ResurrectionRoom2.jpg]

(Credit: Roger at Ausxip)

Resurrection Ship:

Far Away
[http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/BSG_02x11_058.jpg]

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[http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/BSG_02x11_059.jpg]

(Credit: BattlestarGalactica-Online.Com)

--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]]  25 February 2006

:No.  It is so intentionally dark in the scene in "Downloaded" that we can barely see the room even with these pics.  Further, the idea was that the Cylons did not originally need a Resurrection Ship; for all we know (indeed, more probably) Resurrection/Download facilities on the surface of the Cylon homeworld look fairly similar to mobile ones on the Resurrection ship.  We can't really get anything definative from this. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:20, 25 February 2006 (EST)

::Those were definetley pods back there, and judging by the size and illumintation of the room and the period of time, it couldn't be in ultra shiny, just nuked caprica. Which would leave two choices, Homeworld and Resurrection Ship. Since they had the ship in the fleet, for this purpose exactly, it is likely that they didn't go all the way home, but rather in the ship. Its also what the ship was designed for, dropnet of Cylon Agents (and raiders) and since the point of the episode was to show us Cylon resurrection, it would be smart to use a room in the res ship. I think it is worthy enough to at least mention as: "It is quite possible that the room where Caprica-Six and Sharon Valerii resurrect is located, in fact, within the Resurrection ship. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 25 February 2006

:::No.  From what we gathered in "Resurrection Ship, part I" the Res Ship was built ''after'' Galactica escaped outside of the range of the Cylon homeworld.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:48, 25 February 2006 (EST)

::::Thats not true, it wasn't built just for that. We don't actually get the direct Cylon Explanation, but the ship is too massive to build in that short amount of time. They already had the ship. --[[Sauron18|Sauron18]] 25 February 2006

:::::We have no idea how long it would take the Cylons to build a Resurrection Ship. It's very possible they built it after Galactica's escape. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 20:11, 25 February 2006 (EST)

::::::They are Machines; they have a far greater productive capacity than humans, and they have the resources of an entire planet at their disposal.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:55, 25 February 2006 (EST)

:::::::My point is, it is not a fact, and it doesn't make any sense. Machines also don't use too much more than they need, they had tops 12 models in the fleet, and the ship is full of tens of thousands of HUman models, I'm sure its got its raiders, but its got an overdose of human models. It is obvious they wouldn't put so many for 12 cylons when many more Cylons would need them in the COlonies. It makes more sense that it was built for the attack specifically, that the COlonies are out of range and that this ship was built all along the way. Even though they are machines, given their current situation (occupying 12 planets) it would be impossible to build a ship this large and fill it with everything it needs in just a few months. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 26 February 2006

==Interior==
I was thinking of adding information on the Resurrection Room, which has been proven to be within the Resurrection Ship. The screencap of the room isn't very detailed, however, one of the people who worked on the SFX of this and certain other aspects of the show redid the model they used for the Resurrection Ship. This rendering is official and shows parts of the room which were previousley unseen. Any opinions? I have good versions of both the screencap and the "unshadowed" picture. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:24 19 June 2006
(CDT)
:If you can't site the source of the image, I think it should be ok.  It does have to be a legitimate source however.  --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 22:21 25 June 2006
(CDT)
::Actually, it's Alain Rivard. He has an entry here on the BSwiki and the link to the site is there. ;)--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:11 20 June 2006

::: Let's see 'em. So far, I reserve judgement, but only because I feel like I've seen no evidence one way or the other. My initial interpretation was that the Cylons had built a badly lit res facility on Caprica, but I'm not writing the thing, so I could be wrong. I'd like to see both shadowed and unshadowed. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 01:17, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Well, Sharon's might've been in Caprica, but Six's couldn't since they were just attacking at the moment. Um, that it was the interior was confirmed through the communiques, basically Ngarren (Bradley Thompson) told us that the Cylons wouldn't need a resurrection ship if they could be reborn in basestars, and also confirmed their planet is too far away, so sort of jotted out the two possibilities for Six's rebirth. With Sharon's he said it would be either in a Caprica room or in one of the Resurrection Ships. But since Six was too early for Caprica....

Anyways, here is a smallified version of Alain's Resurrection Room Render

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/619/chamber9ke.jpg

The "Shadowed" one is the screencap from the actual episode. He's also got a neat model of old Ressy. Either way, it could always go in a BTS section, or just be mentioned, but I thought it looked perfect. It doesn't have the tub, but it's still the room. I dunno. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:33 26 June 2006

:I don't believe there's any indication that this room is on board the Resurrection Ship. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:18, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::Yeah, for all we know her consciousness just got stored and woke up later.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 07:29, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Oh, you wanted the proof for the actual fact. Well, yes we know, it was answered in the communiqués. Bradley Thompson indicated that the “Resurrection Rooms” are most certainly not in Basestars, by saying this:

:::''' “We suspect that the Cylons wouldn't bother to build Resurrection ships if a downloading system could be incorporated into their baseships.” '''

:::That alone indicates that the room isn’t possibly in another ship other than a Resurrection Ship. But the question about Caprica or the Homeworld is still left, which is answered in the next quote. This is after Merv asked about where Caprica Six was reborn:

:::''' “The Cylons either built a downloading facility on Caprica or detailed one of their few Resurrection Ships to Colonial occupation duties. By "Pegasus," Galactica's a long way from both” '''

:::Here, despite not answering the question with a flat answer, he eliminated the possibility of the Cylon Homeworld as a possible downloading Center, and through that left us only with two options. A Resurrection Ship, or Caprica. 

:::If we had only seen Sharon download, then we really wouldn’t know, but since we also saw Caprica Six download at a time when it would’ve been literally impossible to have a facility built already on the colonies (since the fighting was still going on) it leaves only one option. The room where Caprica Six downloaded (and prossibly Boomer) is within a Resurrection Ship. –[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 11:13 26 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: So wait... Refresh my memory: in whcih episode did we see Six wake up in the tub? I have the idea that, after the Miniseries, the Cylons would control at least a few areas od Caprica well enough to have been able to build a building or, at least, convert a building into some crazy Cylon-tech facility (Cf. The Farm). I don't see how you can rule out Caprica based on fighting still going on. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 23:03, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::::: You are talking about the Cylons building a base behind enemy lines during a conflict, actually before the conflict since it would seem that these things just don't come up over night.  If I were a military man, I would say that doesn't make strategic sense especially since the resurrection facility aparently doesn't need to be within spitting distance of the cylon operative.  When Galactica-Boomer bit the big one, the resurrection ship she awoke on was nowhere near sensory range of the colonial fleet, so logically, it would make much more sense to place a resurrection ship just outside of colonial sensory range (DRADIS) if in fact the downloads can't reach the cylon homeworld itself.  Anyways, I am thinking that it probably takes several months to build a resurrection facilitiy (mere speculation on my part) so they would have to do this under the noises of the a perfectly functional colonial fleet.  Truthfully, it just makes more sense that there's a Resurrection Ship parked nearby.   –[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 22:46 26 June 2006 (PST)
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 :::: The Resurrection ship in The Pegasus episode look more like an original basestar rather than a triangalur Prism.
-:::::Speaking of the way the ship looks, it struck me that the ship's head-on construction is really similar to the Battlestar emblem [[http://www.game-warden.com/forum/images/avatars/BRTL_avs.jpg]] I'm sure someone has already thought of this, and I've seen evidence of people hinting around it, but does anyone have anything to say about it? Have the writers said anything? Just thought it should be looked at more closely here.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 14:02, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
+:::::Correct for values of "more" == "not at all". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:20, 7 January 2006 (EST)
-::::::No there have been interviews and stuff talking about it's design:  it's supposed to look a bit like a cathedral, then again a big antenna, then again the "ribs" make it look almost alive.  No, the head-on look only has a vague similarity to the Colonial Emblem.  Gary Hutzel did say they got a bit of idea for it based on some early battlestar concept art (with even more structural ribbing that sort of thing), but not really.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:12, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
-:::::::It looks very much like a Gothic cathedral to me, to the point of having thought of the resemblence before; the symbolism is really rather cute. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 19:30, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
-:::::Correct for values of "more" == "not at all". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:20, 7 January 2006 (EST)
 :::::I think we should wait for Ragnar Anchorage or someone else to post better caps, if by the end of today no one has, I'll give a link to a site that does have them up already, though they are smaller (by format) than the ones RA normally posts..--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 January 2006
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 Is there either a suitable nomenclature to refer to any Cylon with a biological component?  Since the resurrection ship can download both Humano-Cylons and Raiders, I wanted a way to refer to both with a single term.  Bio-Cylon seemed appropriate, though I now see it's already been negatively hijacked by original series purists.  Other than the blurb I added at the end, this article refers exclusively to the resurrection of the humanoid form, which, we now know from "[[Scar]]", is technically insufficient.  I wouldn't want to clutter up the entire article with the hybrid reference; a single clarification would suffice.  I don't think my addition quite does the trick, though.  --[[User:Timtrout|Timtrout]] 02:33, 7 February 2006 (EST)
-:The matter was under fairly heated discussion recently. [[Humano-Cylon]] is the term currently in use, but I expect this to change in the near future. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:42, 7 February 2006 (EST)
+:The matter was under fairly heated discussion recently. [[Humano-Cylon]] is the term currently in use, but I expect this to change in the near future. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:42, 7 February 2006 (EST)
 ::If you're looking for a catch-all term referring to both humanoid Cylons and Raiders (which are kind of the step halfway between humanoid Cylons and Centurions), I would go with "bio-mechanical models".--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 03:35, 7 February 2006 (EST)
-:::As a style point, I would omit the hyphen. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 19:30, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
 ==Speculation==
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 :::No.  From what we gathered in "Resurrection Ship, part I" the Res Ship was built ''after'' Galactica escaped outside of the range of the Cylon homeworld.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:48, 25 February 2006 (EST)
-::::Thats not true, it wasn't built just for that. We don't actually get the direct Cylon Explanation, but the ship is too massive to build in that short amount of time. They already had the ship. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 25 February 2006
+::::Thats not true, it wasn't built just for that. We don't actually get the direct Cylon Explanation, but the ship is too massive to build in that short amount of time. They already had the ship. --[[Sauron18|Sauron18]] 25 February 2006
 :::::We have no idea how long it would take the Cylons to build a Resurrection Ship. It's very possible they built it after Galactica's escape. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 20:11, 25 February 2006 (EST)
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 The "Shadowed" one is the screencap from the actual episode. He's also got a neat model of old Ressy. Either way, it could always go in a BTS section, or just be mentioned, but I thought it looked perfect. It doesn't have the tub, but it's still the room. I dunno. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:33 26 June 2006
-:I don't believe there's any indication that this room is on board the Resurrection Ship. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:18, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
+:I don't believe there's any indication that this room is on board the Resurrection Ship. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:18, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
 ::Yeah, for all we know her consciousness just got stored and woke up later.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 07:29, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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 ::::: You are talking about the Cylons building a base behind enemy lines during a conflict, actually before the conflict since it would seem that these things just don't come up over night.  If I were a military man, I would say that doesn't make strategic sense especially since the resurrection facility aparently doesn't need to be within spitting distance of the cylon operative.  When Galactica-Boomer bit the big one, the resurrection ship she awoke on was nowhere near sensory range of the colonial fleet, so logically, it would make much more sense to place a resurrection ship just outside of colonial sensory range (DRADIS) if in fact the downloads can't reach the cylon homeworld itself.  Anyways, I am thinking that it probably takes several months to build a resurrection facilitiy (mere speculation on my part) so they would have to do this under the noises of the a perfectly functional colonial fleet.  Truthfully, it just makes more sense that there's a Resurrection Ship parked nearby.   –[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 22:46 26 June 2006 (PST)
-::::::'''Day:''' We see Six resurrect in "Downloaded", but it takes place right after her death in the miniseries. It seems that it's just after the main fighting stopped (Judging by 3's comments), or at least after the Cylons consider it a victory, but since there is no real time lapse shown between her death and resurrection it wouldn't have been past the mini, and hence building anything on Caprica would be out of the question for the Cylons (though they had probably started their plan to already.
-::::::'''StrayCat0:''' I'm thinking sort of along the same lines as you are :) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:36 27 June 2006 (CDT)
-::::::: Okay. Thanks. I now feel like I'm on the same page as you. I'd forgotten about the flash-back aspect of Downloaded. Hmm. I'll have to think on this some more. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 15:41, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
-==Main Image==
-Hey, I was wondering, and have been for a while, if perhaps we should use Alain Rivard's render of the Resurrection Ship as a main picture?
-[[File:Resurrection Ship.jpg|thumb|right|Resurrection Ship by Alain Rivard]]
-It's a very good and very clear picture of the Resurrection Ship, and it's the official one.....I don't know, or at least use it in a BTS section or something mentioning it. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:36, 23 January 2007 (CST)
-: Agreed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:14, 23 January 2007 (CST)
-:: Cool. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:35, 23 January 2007 (CST)