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==Director== | ==Director== | ||
[[Wikipedia:Alan Smithee|Alan Smithee]] is not a real person. --[[User: | [[Wikipedia:Alan Smithee|Alan Smithee]] is not a real person. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:26, 16 November 2005 (EST) | ||
*Just a joke placeholder name; other pages had "suchandsuch" and "whoisit" etc for stuff so I just put in a placeholder. Besides, Mr. Smithee has brought us such wonderful works as the ''excellent'' 1984 adaptation of "Dune" and the animated 1978 Lord of the Rings. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:32, 16 November 2005 (EST) | *Just a joke placeholder name; other pages had "suchandsuch" and "whoisit" etc for stuff so I just put in a placeholder. Besides, Mr. Smithee has brought us such wonderful works as the ''excellent'' 1984 adaptation of "Dune" and the animated 1978 Lord of the Rings. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:32, 16 November 2005 (EST) | ||
::I think we should leave it blank until we know. What if a director really wants his name removed from an episode at some point? --[[User: | ::I think we should leave it blank until we know. What if a director really wants his name removed from an episode at some point? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:16, 17 November 2005 (EST) | ||
:::Reminds me of this Eric Idle movie "Burn Hollywood Burn"; basically, he's the director of what's going to be the biggest movie of the decade...and also the biggest flop. It's got a gigantic special effects budget (like 3 disaster movies and 3 action movies roled into one). It's called "Trio" and it stars the action 'trio' of Slyvester Stallone, Jackie Chan, and Whoopi Goldberg (I kid you not, they actually appear in this thing; yeah, a gun-toting Whoopi Goldberg). Well, the idea behind "Allen Smithee" is it's an unusual made up name no one would really have, so that when a hollywood studio so butchers a director's project that it is A) not his creative vision at all and he was completely cut off from it and B) it would be career suicide to be associated with such a flop. Eric Idle's character the director of Trio who really has no control over it whatsover as the studio writers and execs are calling the shots (they put him in charge of camerawork and little else), so when he finally sees the finished rough cut he declares "It's worse than Showgirls!" and demands for it to be an "Allen Smithee production". Problem is, through blind luck Eric Idle's character's ''real'' name is "Allen Smithee"! And according to the director's guild rules the only name you can replace as director for the film is "Allen Smithee". So he goes berserk and steals the rough cuts of the film and hides them so the film can never be shown (it was a movie-in-a-movie thing about everyone trying to get the movie back). Dear god, the descriptions of "Trio" were like sitting in on a Berman and Braga writing session; Whoopi and Jackie's characters die in the end, while Stallone's character gets a sex change. However, Jackie Chan was so adamant that in his movies his character ''never'' dies that eventually they compromised by saying that his character does die, but gets ''reincarnated''. Sort of like the old "We can never have enough time travel or parallel universes on Star Trek!" routine they pulled on us.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:17, 17 November 2005 (EST) | :::Reminds me of this Eric Idle movie "Burn Hollywood Burn"; basically, he's the director of what's going to be the biggest movie of the decade...and also the biggest flop. It's got a gigantic special effects budget (like 3 disaster movies and 3 action movies roled into one). It's called "Trio" and it stars the action 'trio' of Slyvester Stallone, Jackie Chan, and Whoopi Goldberg (I kid you not, they actually appear in this thing; yeah, a gun-toting Whoopi Goldberg). Well, the idea behind "Allen Smithee" is it's an unusual made up name no one would really have, so that when a hollywood studio so butchers a director's project that it is A) not his creative vision at all and he was completely cut off from it and B) it would be career suicide to be associated with such a flop. Eric Idle's character the director of Trio who really has no control over it whatsover as the studio writers and execs are calling the shots (they put him in charge of camerawork and little else), so when he finally sees the finished rough cut he declares "It's worse than Showgirls!" and demands for it to be an "Allen Smithee production". Problem is, through blind luck Eric Idle's character's ''real'' name is "Allen Smithee"! And according to the director's guild rules the only name you can replace as director for the film is "Allen Smithee". So he goes berserk and steals the rough cuts of the film and hides them so the film can never be shown (it was a movie-in-a-movie thing about everyone trying to get the movie back). Dear god, the descriptions of "Trio" were like sitting in on a Berman and Braga writing session; Whoopi and Jackie's characters die in the end, while Stallone's character gets a sex change. However, Jackie Chan was so adamant that in his movies his character ''never'' dies that eventually they compromised by saying that his character does die, but gets ''reincarnated''. Sort of like the old "We can never have enough time travel or parallel universes on Star Trek!" routine they pulled on us.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:17, 17 November 2005 (EST) | ||
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Just how many "[[Resurrection Ship|Resurrection Ships]]" are out there? This ship looked pretty big, and it would have to be to store multiple copies of the [[Humano-Cylon|Humano-Cylons]] we've seen thus far. And, how does this fit into the "Rule of 12" that was mentioned in the [[Miniseries]]? --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 02:41, 7 January 2006 (EST) | Just how many "[[Resurrection Ship|Resurrection Ships]]" are out there? This ship looked pretty big, and it would have to be to store multiple copies of the [[Humano-Cylon|Humano-Cylons]] we've seen thus far. And, how does this fit into the "Rule of 12" that was mentioned in the [[Miniseries]]? --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 02:41, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:There is apparently only the one. They don't seem to have anticipated following Galactica (and Pegasus) so far away from the Twelve Colonies and the Cylon homeworld, so they built a transmitter ship to boost the signal and allow Cylons to download into it. Yes, I would assume it stores several hundred copies of each Cylon: please read the article "[[Humano-Cylon]]", in which, after months of debate, it was conclusively proven after an interview with Ron D. Moore that there are indeed "12 ''Models''" of Cylon (as per the 'rule' introduced in the Miniseries), but there can be several hundred (if not several thousand) copies of each model in existence. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:57, 7 January 2006 (EST) | :There is apparently only the one. They don't seem to have anticipated following Galactica (and Pegasus) so far away from the Twelve Colonies and the Cylon homeworld, so they built a transmitter ship to boost the signal and allow Cylons to download into it. Yes, I would assume it stores several hundred copies of each Cylon: please read the article "[[Humano-Cylon]]", in which, after months of debate, it was conclusively proven after an interview with Ron D. Moore that there are indeed "12 ''Models''" of Cylon (as per the 'rule' introduced in the Miniseries), but there can be several hundred (if not several thousand) copies of each model in existence. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:57, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ||
==Analysis not Review== | ==Analysis not Review== | ||
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:::Actually I prefer stims, they take the edge off. Actually, I was observing good etiquette for moving something I questioned to the talk page rather than deleting it out of hand. I have done nothing outrageous. Upon further thought, I guess it can stay. I will make my own comments under "Analysis" as I get to them. As you were, 5x5. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:46, 7 January 2006 (EST) | :::Actually I prefer stims, they take the edge off. Actually, I was observing good etiquette for moving something I questioned to the talk page rather than deleting it out of hand. I have done nothing outrageous. Upon further thought, I guess it can stay. I will make my own comments under "Analysis" as I get to them. As you were, 5x5. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:46, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:::Breaking it down into bullet points would be nice, though. --[[User: | :::Breaking it down into bullet points would be nice, though. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:42, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ||
::::I agree; this was my biggest complaint, yet I did not want to be so presumptuous as to ''change'' things Spencerian had actually written by adding in ''my own'' bulleted points (putting words in his mouth as it were, much worse than moving to talk page). Punch this up if at all possible with some handy bullet points. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:46, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ::::I agree; this was my biggest complaint, yet I did not want to be so presumptuous as to ''change'' things Spencerian had actually written by adding in ''my own'' bulleted points (putting words in his mouth as it were, much worse than moving to talk page). Punch this up if at all possible with some handy bullet points. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:46, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ||
:::::In the future, you shouldn't hesitate. Constructive modifications are much better than deleting useful content outright. --[[User: | :::::In the future, you shouldn't hesitate. Constructive modifications are much better than deleting useful content outright. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:58, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ||
::::::I am sorry. I thought the one was more offensive than the other. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:06, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ::::::I am sorry. I thought the one was more offensive than the other. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:06, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ||
==General Comments== | ==General Comments== | ||
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::::Yep. That does sound like Cain. At first I didn't want to give her credit for those kind of tactical chops because of her (in the end) self-destructive tendencies (much like Starbuck BTW), but... who am I kiddin'? She's a pitbull. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 00:57, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ::::Yep. That does sound like Cain. At first I didn't want to give her credit for those kind of tactical chops because of her (in the end) self-destructive tendencies (much like Starbuck BTW), but... who am I kiddin'? She's a pitbull. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 00:57, 7 January 2006 (EST) | ||
==Die Cast or Plastic?== | ==Die Cast or Plastic?== | ||
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:Yeah, I've always wondered how they managed to get those little models completed and what they are made out of. Its cool to see small replica models used in the planning. -- [[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]] | :Yeah, I've always wondered how they managed to get those little models completed and what they are made out of. Its cool to see small replica models used in the planning. -- [[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]] | ||