Editing Talk:Resistance (episode)/Archive 1

You know, we already know a lot about the Colonial Fleet (obviously). I'm personally hoping that RDM might use this episode to go into the Colonial Army (which seems the obvious nucleus of any resistance forces). But then again, that's just me. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:44, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

==Posible Spoiler==

Does anyone think that maybe a less spoiling picture should be used to sumarise thie article? --[[User:Sith Penguin Lord|Sith Penguin Lord]] 16:12, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
===Boomer Death===

Additional sources have said that it is the Galactica Boomer, not the Caprica one, that dies. [http://www.livejournal.com/community/bsg_news/38768.html#cutid1 link] [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 20:45, 28 Apr 2005 (EDT)
:You know, I get that feeling that Grace Park still has a lot of life (lives?:) left in her with this show. Let's hope, somehow, that Boomer's humanity reveals itself one more time in the process of saving a former crewmate as she bites the Big One. Her psyche, however manufactured, is tortured, and I think she'd prefer to die as a human, not as a Cylon. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:51, 4 Aug 2005 (EDT)

===Kent State Shootings?===

How could you possibly compare the shooting over coffee of 4 people to the shooting of 4 students at Kent State for protesting the Vietnam War?  Aside from the fact that 4 people died in both, the reason they happened isn't in ANY WAY THE SAME.  Did they mention this in the podcast or something?  If you cannot cite a source, this should be removed.

At the same time, I'm a little iffy on the whole Jack Ruby parallel, but I'll let it stay as it isn't as glaringly wrong.

:RDM mentions both in the podcast. Listen carefully. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:53, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:: Frak! Peter beat me to it... :-) It's not my comparison. It is Toni Graphia's (the writer for this episode). Here the link: [http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=http://www.greatlink.org/shownewsitem.asp?item=4678 The Great Link]. (This is where the first mention came up.)
:: Also, it is a situation ''similar'' to the Kent State shootings -- as well as the Boston "Massacre". It's really a combination of both. Whether it is liked or not, Battlestar is allegory for our times (as well as an introspective to what happened in history). It does, in my humble opinion, what Star Trek has failed to do since ''The Next Generation'' aired. 

:: BTW, you could have simply used Google to research and verify the claim -- the link I provided came up on the search as well. Just FYI. :-) As for the Jack Ruby parallel, I believe it to be quite valid. Remember, there are many references to current (or historic) times.  Heck, see the [[Talk:Cami]] page for an example of a parallel to American politics that was overlooked. Who would have thought? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 02:01, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

===8 Sleepers===
Can that number really be trusted? Isn't it more likley Boomer just gave a random number to save the chief, not knowing the real one?
For the number 8 to be correct one has to believe two things:

*Baltar is correct when he says the sleeper in Boomer knows. How should Baltar suddenly know that which such certainty? And why does the sleeper know? There is no need to know that information, but good reasons not to know it, so that information can not be taken from captured agent. Also Caprica Boomer is not seen providing information about the sleepers in later episodes, she apparently doesn't know. If she isn't holding back (and why should she?) she is not even able to describe what at least one of the still unknown models look like.

*Boomer's human side can suddenly tap her sleepers information. After not even remembering shooting Adama or any other of her  sleepers actions it's quite hard to believe she can suddenly extract a specific information from it.

Unless there is another source confirming the information one should not rely on it. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 13:35, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:We already covered this in the analysis:  it is consistent with the fact that we've only seen 4 by the time of this episode, so logically there would be 8 more in terms of plot mechanics.  I mean, you think there's three more Number Six's out there? Not really.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:20, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

::Oops, how did I manage to overlook the analysis part? Thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 16:41, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:::I'm not sure that analysis makes perfect sense, but I don't want to argue with it. For reference, we currently know the identity of three of those eight:
:::*Shelly Godfrey
:::*D'Anna Biers
:::*Brother Cavil
:::Presumably, Cavil was spaced, Godfrey is still somewhere in the fleet, and apparently Biers wasn't exposed by Anders during their year on New Caprica, since she pops back up in 301. Perhaps not coincidentally, there are also five cylon models we have yet to meet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:59, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
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 You know, we already know a lot about the Colonial Fleet (obviously). I'm personally hoping that RDM might use this episode to go into the Colonial Army (which seems the obvious nucleus of any resistance forces). But then again, that's just me. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:44, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)
-===Posible Spoiler===
+==Posible Spoiler==
 Does anyone think that maybe a less spoiling picture should be used to sumarise thie article? --[[User:Sith Penguin Lord|Sith Penguin Lord]] 16:12, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
-: Well, it ''is'' in line with our [[Battlestar Wiki:Spoiler Policy|spoiler policy]]... What did you have in mind, though?-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:51, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
-:: Yeah, but to be fair, there are probably people here who catch up with the show and don't want to be spoiled completely. To that end I'm also not a fan of inserting revelations about the identities of Cylons in earlier episodes where they aren't really needed. On the other hand, I'd assume that someone who visits this page has actually seen the episode. The picture doesn't refer to a future story. I'll try to get a pic of the resistance as suggested below tho. More fitting. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:41, 12 May 2007 (CDT)
-Thank you! I've been sitting on saying something almost since I stumbled here. I expect spoilerings, but damn - it cuts right to the end. Not to mention a major story point, eh? My own pseudo-humble suggestion is we employ an image from the Caprica storyline. I think the episode title most accurately reflects the introduction of the resistance fighters.---[[User:Mars|Mars]] 05:00, 12 May 2007 (CDT)
-:The title also refers to the resistance against military rule in the fleet itself which is a major theme in the episode. But what about [[:Image:CapricaResistance.jpg|this]] or maybe [[:Image:ThraceAndersResistance.jpg|this]]. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:53, 12 May 2007 (CDT)
 ===Boomer Death===
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 At the same time, I'm a little iffy on the whole Jack Ruby parallel, but I'll let it stay as it isn't as glaringly wrong.
-:RDM mentions both in the podcast. Listen carefully. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:53, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)
+:RDM mentions both in the podcast. Listen carefully. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:53, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)
 :: Frak! Peter beat me to it... :-) It's not my comparison. It is Toni Graphia's (the writer for this episode). Here the link: [http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=http://www.greatlink.org/shownewsitem.asp?item=4678 The Great Link]. (This is where the first mention came up.)
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 :::*D'Anna Biers
 :::*Brother Cavil
-:::Presumably, Cavil was spaced, Godfrey is still somewhere in the fleet, and apparently Biers wasn't exposed by Anders during their year on New Caprica, since she pops back up in 301. Perhaps not coincidentally, there are also five cylon models we have yet to meet. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:59, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
+:::Presumably, Cavil was spaced, Godfrey is still somewhere in the fleet, and apparently Biers wasn't exposed by Anders during their year on New Caprica, since she pops back up in 301. Perhaps not coincidentally, there are also five cylon models we have yet to meet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:59, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
-::::If she counts herself among the eight, knows about Gina and counts Pegasus as part of the fleet, that would raise the total to five (not counting the [[Final Five]], who she wouldn't know about). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 05:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
-:::::She has no idea about ''Pegasus'', since she would have to access the Cylon network via a [[data font]] to gain that information. She wasn't aboard the Cylon ship long enough to access one... and at time, we never saw such a thing until Season 3, when RDM and company hunkered down and wrote their "life on a baseship" bible. If we've learned anything about Cylon society from "Downloaded", the Cylons don't see to share information with one another wirelessly or remotely. Had this been the case, Caprica-Six would've learned about Gaius Baltar's survival before ever meeting up with Boomer, and the Three gunning for both of them would've just simply been able to scan their minds and have had enough evidence to box both of 'em...but I'm getting off tangent here, I think. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 06:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)