Editing Talk:Razor Flashbacks/Archive 1

==Episode 2==

There is no proof the McGavin died at the end. All we see is medics working on her.--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 10:44, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:To me it looks like the bodies on the stretchers are covered completely with blankets. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:53, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:: the far body is covered. the one in the forground isn't. you can catch a slight glimpse of her face.--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 11:11, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::: I'll have to watch it again myself to be sure, but it was apparent to me at least that she probably was a goner. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 12:23, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

The quality of the AVIs I have suck, so I'm not sure. Also, is it just me or are the uniforms somewhat inspired by the Original Series? Particularly some of the ones in the background? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 15:06, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah it's a bit ambiguous. Bodies are carried away and one crewmember goes to one of the stretchers as if that person still lives. On the other hand, it looks like Gavin dies and Adama's reaction seems to reinforce that. Maybe it'll be cleared up the in the next episodes.
:I only really noticed that the flight suits look a bit different with an additional layer. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:13, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::That vest worn on the flightsuits definately reminds me of the old uniforms. I thought I saw one of the personnel in the back with the stretchers moving out was carrying an IV hooked into her, so she might not be. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:19, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

== Episode 3 ==

Anyone appreciate the many homages to the Original Series? One you might not have caught: Look at the Viper pilot helmets.  It's the little things that stood out. Like watching TOS, only better. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:04, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
:The music was TOS-like too. It was alright, but I don't like the TOS Cylon Raiders in this context. They even have windows. It makes no sense whatsoever for a machine to control another machine like that. If the Cylons have the resources to build their own stuff like the basestars (which should be explained at some point btw), they can also build ships that fly themselves. I'm not even looking forward to see the TOS Centurions if they don't update their movement. All in all, small things like the uniforms are nice, but taking too much from TOS is a bad idea. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:22, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
:: Actually, it wouldn't be surprising if the Colonials created basestars and Raiders, since we know they did war with one another before the Cylons came along and unified them. So, in light of that, if humans had created the Radiers then having windows on the craft make sense. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 15:17, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

I loved how they included the two vipers , one coming down from behind to join to the other one after destroying a cyclon ship, they used this one all the time in TOS.  --[[User:Eddyed|Eddyed]] 16:11, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

== Columbia armor ==

Anybody notice the extra armor on the bow of the Columbia (I think it's her)? It seems that Columbia either got a refit or was part of a subclass that featured heavier armor. --[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 17:46, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

Does anyone else think that the Galactica was originally built fully armorplated and parts were blown off in battle or removed after the war. --[[User:Spartan-117|Spartan-117]]
: The ribbing is actually a defensive measure, so that it can better take strikes against the hull. The visible ribbing design is deliberate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 20:20, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
::Interesting, particularly since the later battlestar types (Valkyrie type and Mercury class) don't have that feature. Do you have a source? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
:::There are a few discussions with the original CG designers that indicated this. I'll see if I can find them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 01:39, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
::::I think what your talking about can be found [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive3]]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 06:20, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
::''Columbia'' isn't fully armored either. She has more armor than ''Galactica'' in a few places, but visible ribbing as well. That really indicates that is like that on purpose. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:57, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
In that case, why wasn't ''Galactica'' later refitted? Her historical status or some other reason? --[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 17:02, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
:Budget cuts, probably. Remember that ''Galactica'' hadn't been refitted with software upgrades either ([[Miniseries]], [[Pegasus (Extended Version)]]).--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:35, 22 October 2007 (CDT)
::Or historical authenticity and practicality.  The ship was being turned into a museum, why up-armor or upgrade to the latest navigation software when it was likely to stay put and not see action for the rest of her days.  Why Columbia and Galactica have different degrees of armor cladding ... maybe they were pressed into service early?  They were at different stages of completion?  Galactica was completed first, and Columbia had additional weak spots armored as a result of lessons learned?  As to why the armor wasn't upgraded during the course of the first Cylon war and up to her decommissioning ... who knows. --[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 13:36, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

==Episode 4==
Was it just me or did Adama have the season 1 clamshell pistol? And what was that gun the Centurion using?--[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 11:35, 27 October 2007 (CDT)
:He did indeed have the original RDM gun, which was used until at least "Valley of Darkness." The Cylon's gun looked to be a simple scratch build. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:22, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

== The Superweapon ==

Based on that one still, it seems the Cylon superweapon is more than a gun. First toying with human emulation? Is that ''Saul Tigh'' that Adama sees in the tank? Just a thought. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:33, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
:Nah, not Tigh. Different actor. It's one of the first, if not ''the'' first [[Hybrid]]s. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:38, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
::<s>[http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0991178/NUP_107034_1362.jpg.html?seq=5 This still]? I'm pretty sure it's not a Tigh model because of the issues that would cause. It's probably a Hybrid, a younger version of one of the older humanoid Cylon models (preventing future recognition by Adama) or a prototype humanoid Cylon which does not correspond to any of the modern twelve models.</s> -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:18, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Never mind, I noticed the still in the infobox. Based on the credits, it's almost certainly a Hybrid. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:25, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

== Landing site ==

In the fourth flashback, Adama can cleary be seen parachuting towards one of the buildings with smokestacks and smashing through the windows on the ceiling. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:38, 16 November 2007 (CST)
:That does not mean it's a drydock. Just that they built some buildings where it landed. Or that it landed near the buildings. It certainly doesn't look like a shipyard. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:44, 16 November 2007 (CST)
:It looks more like a warehouse than some sort of drydock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 11:43, 16 November 2007 (CST)
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 Does anyone else think that the Galactica was originally built fully armorplated and parts were blown off in battle or removed after the war. --[[User:Spartan-117|Spartan-117]]
 : The ribbing is actually a defensive measure, so that it can better take strikes against the hull. The visible ribbing design is deliberate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 20:20, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
-::Interesting, particularly since the later battlestar types (Valkyrie type and Mercury class) don't have that feature. Do you have a source? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:29, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
+::Interesting, particularly since the later battlestar types (Valkyrie type and Mercury class) don't have that feature. Do you have a source? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
 :::There are a few discussions with the original CG designers that indicated this. I'll see if I can find them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 01:39, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
 ::::I think what your talking about can be found [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques/Archive3]]--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 06:20, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
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 :::Never mind, I noticed the still in the infobox. Based on the credits, it's almost certainly a Hybrid. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:25, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
-== Adama's landing site ==
+== Landing site ==
 In the fourth flashback, Adama can cleary be seen parachuting towards one of the buildings with smokestacks and smashing through the windows on the ceiling. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:38, 16 November 2007 (CST)
 :That does not mean it's a drydock. Just that they built some buildings where it landed. Or that it landed near the buildings. It certainly doesn't look like a shipyard. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:44, 16 November 2007 (CST)
 :It looks more like a warehouse than some sort of drydock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 11:43, 16 November 2007 (CST)
-::My point is that Adama clearly did not crash into the basestar. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 21:01, 16 November 2007 (CST)
-:::Of course he didn't. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 10:30, 17 November 2007 (CST)
-::::Yeah, and the seventh flashback rules out the possibility of him entering the basestar off-screen. [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] has removed the note in question. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:05, 17 November 2007 (CST)
-== Bradford ==
-I imagine Bradford might be the officer who gave Adama his launching orders and might be the guy Adama's talking to from Big G after leaving the warehouse/lab. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 10:30, 17 November 2007 (CST)
-:Makes sense. I'll add him for episode 2 then. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:40, 17 November 2007 (CST)
-:I would probably footnote it, since it can't be confirmed other than via logical deduction, at least right now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 10:50, 17 November 2007 (CST)
-::Chris Bradford is the ops officer who tells Adama the armistice has been signed in episode 7. The LSO who tells Adama he's up for launch in episode 2 was done through the loop group, so no actor is credited. --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 18:24, 7 December 2007 (CST)
-== Episode 7 ==
-According to the radio report, the war ends right as Operation Raptor Talon goes underway. Although we cannot ascertain how the war was going for the Cylons overall, and the lay military personnel wouldn't be totally aware of the strategic situation, Adama and McGavin still seem to see no end in sight for the war. Why then, would Cylon High Command stop the war at ''this'' instant, if RDM didn't intend to show the importance of this experiment? That ending the war was preferable to humanity gaining knowledge of their hybrid research is obvious in hindsight, and likely was noticed by Adama after Humanoid Cylons were revealed. Is any of this speculation permissible in the article though?--[[User:Emuhunter26|Emuhunter26]] 21:39, 17 November 2007 (CST)
-:There seems to be unusual emphasis on the moon in the last scene. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:16, 17 November 2007 (CST)
-:: Which seems to be the same moon that is seen in the Miniseries. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 23:20, 17 November 2007 (CST)
-::Probably just for stylistic reasons to mirror the opening of the Miniseries, which has that camera zoom in reverse. No need to fanwank some story speculation out of it. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:46, 18 November 2007 (CST)
-:::Yeah, I suspected that it was referencing some scene from the miniseries. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 17:52, 18 November 2007 (CST)
-::::Maybe they just played that very scene in reverse instead of rendering everything again. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:26, 19 November 2007 (CST)
-:::::It should be fairly easy to tell once the DVD is released. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 02:32, 19 November 2007 (CST)
-== SciFi Pulse Links ==
-They no longer work, so I've removed them. (They point to ''Eureka'' featurettes now.) It appears that SciFi has removed the Flashbacks from its site entirely, probably to make purchasing ''Razor'' a little more appealing. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 21:53, 27 November 2007 (CST)
-: Figures. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 22:40, 27 November 2007 (CST)
-::I'm not sure how long they've been up, but, while searching for the Flashbacks, I noticed SciFi Pulse has some full episodes from Season 3. I'll be using them to get by ''Galactica'' fix until the marathon. It'd be nice if we could get the season on DVD. I wonder what's taking so long with that. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 12:43, 28 November 2007 (CST)