Editing Talk:Razor/Archive1

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We'll need to retitle this article when we get a proper title that's not ambigous as "Battlestar Galactica (DVD movie)". The article will also need to become an episode summary as well. Maybe it may be better to rename this as "Battlestar Galactica (2007 DVD movie)" to avoid confusion with the [[Miniseries]] and other DVD releases. -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:02, 17 April 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contribs]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|WonderNumbers]])</sup>

:I brought it in line with the standard episode guide format for now. Adding the year number is a good idea for now, but later we'll probably have a real name --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:06, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
::I agree. Battlestar Galactica (2007 DVD movie) would be good if we don't get an official title. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:09, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Right. I'll rename it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:56, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contribs]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|WonderNumbers]])</sup>

== Numbering and prev/next ==
How are we gonna number this one? [[4.00]] currently redirects here, but if that's the number we're going with, it should be [[400]] (in line with [[101]] through [[320]]). Or are we gonna pull another webisode and not number it at all? Also, the webisodes are missing from the episode guides' Prev/Next sequence. Is this one gonna be included? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:09, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
:400 is possible. But do we need to determine that right now? We could as well wait until some information about it is known. Agree though, that the webisodes should be in the sequence. I'll see to that... --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:11, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
::We can wait, just wanted to point out we'll want a number at some point. Thanks for the sequence thingy, I could've fixed it myself but wondered whether they were left out intentionally (because there's no critical story in them, apart from Nora's death which is recapped in [[Occupation]]).--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:33, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

Since Joe made 4.01 redirect here, the episode data needs to be changed to 4.01 too. And the rest of the episodes after it, to off course (well, one for now). For what it's worth the casting sides (see below), call it 4.01 and 4.02. That's probably correct, since it's TWO episodes that belong together - possibly shown as one movie. So "He That Believeth In Me" would be 4.03 --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:04, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
: That's what I've figured, given what I've read thus far. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 16:10, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

== "Razor" ==

<s>I recently noticed [[Razor]] being created as a redirect to this page. Is "Razor" this movie's working title? Do we have a source for that?</s> [http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr Never mind]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:45, 21 May 2007 (CDT)

If the official name is Razor, though, this page should be renamed to "Razor". Could someone on Sci Fi Forums (or somewhere else) ask for confirmation on the Razor and HTBIM titles? I've asked on [[BW:OC]], but that page isn't viewed very much. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:09, 21 May 2007 (CDT)

:Well, the [http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=41709&type=0 press release confirming the last season] drops the "Razor" title. Can we construe this as confirmation, or at least enough to justify a move? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 14:10, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

::Given that there remains no official title, the working title redirect is just fine for the wiki's needs, and keeps it more searchable that our title here. It is not likely we'll get an official title (like the episodes) until they are officially announced. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:45, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

:::Does Sci-FI Wire not count as an official source? I would think a press release from the network would be official enough to warrant the article's name change. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 16:27, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

::::It's the ''writers'' that ultimately choose the name. The episode "[[Home]]" became a two-parter at the last minute. Season 3 had a sudden change for its very first episodes. Sci Fi's own "official web site" lists ship information with numerous errors. Heck, the press release for the series end was filled with heinous errors. It is best to wait and not jump ahead. Again....we <u>already have a redirect for any searches on the term of "Razor"</u>, so we're covered. We reverse the redirect once we see the name on the TV schedule. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:16, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

According to [[http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070608j.php this]] Ron Moore confirmed the title at the LA Q&A event. It's second hand, but straight from the head honcho. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:51, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

: Since RDM confirmed it, it's good, until it gets changed. Remember episode titles can change right up until the episode airs. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

== Sequence numbers ==

[http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar&p=1#sr This source] cites 401 and 402 as the sequence numbers for "Razor", and 403 for "[[He That Believeth in Me]]". Are we gonna follow this scheme? Ask Brad? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:11, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
:We could just hold off on episode numbers until something definite is known. For know we can just use episode names, and add the numbers later. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:22, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
::Obviously, since this is the last season, we don't need any official numbering policy and can continue to implement episode numbering on an ad-hoc basis. The trouble is where official resources disagree (the third season podcasts were consistantly numbered as if "Occupation/Precipice" were two episodes, while on said podcasts, RDM consistantly referred to them as if "Occupation/Precipice" were a single episode). My personal opinion is that it makes the most sense to label each hour of the season with its own production code, and to give mid-season ancillary material such as "The Resistance" and "Razor" the X.00 designation. That being said, we should obviously defer to the production staff ''if they follow a consistant practice''. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:49, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree. Let's wait for the Season 4 podcasts to hear what number RDM gives them. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:30, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

== Casting sheets (SPOILERS!) ==

Get [http://rapidshare.com/files/30443459/Kendra_7pgs.pdf.html this] and [http://rapidshare.com/files/30443433/Young_Adama_4pgs.pdf.html this]

1.) Flashbacks to the Cylon attack from ''Pegasus'''s point of view. It counterpoints Adama by showing how Cain reacted to the news. The new character, Kendra Shaw, is shellshocked at first, but quickly pulls herself together. Scenes showing the destroyed Colonial Fleet.

After ''Pegasus'' joins the Fleet, Lee Adama finds himself reviewing herself. Similar to Starbuck she has some discipline problems and got busted by Fisk and Garner. Since he doesn't give a damn about those two and needs someone from ''Pegasus'' to work with him, he promoted her to be his XO.

2.) Flashback to the first Cylon War with a young William Adama flying a Viper sortie. Helena Cain is a child and living through an attack on her home colony of Tauron. The battlestar ''Columbia'' is destroyed (this must be the predecessor of the one destroyed in the second war). In the course of the fight Adama is shot down on some planet and somehow finds a lab where the Cylons experimented on humans. He sees on the of new basestars. This is directly before the Armistice, which is declared before he can do something about it.

All very interesting, but hard to source. And still subject to change. It tracks with everything else known though.

Also according to IMDB [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1089338/ this] is the actress to play Kendra Shaw. And I know that this isn't entirely reliable. Looks hot though :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:21, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
:The trailer preview that aired yesterday confirms that this is, indeed, the actress, or at least someone who looks A LOT like her. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:53, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

== Director ==

Where has it been cited that Félix Enríquez Alcalá is going to direct? There's no mention of this within the body of the article. Keep in mind that I haven't listened to the audiofile, and the two ''TV Week'' links appear to be dead. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:59, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

== SyFy Portal ==

http://www.syfyportal.com/news423777.html

According to this Cain and Gina were lovers. In her childhood Cain's family were attacked by Cylons (which fits perfectly with the script excerpt above) and she had to make a decision to save herself or her sister. And the TOS Centurions will be seen extensively in full CGI glory.

The article says that the source is anonymous though. Still, it sounds very plausible. Include or not? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:34, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

== Minisodes/Webisodes ==

How do we deal with those webisodes that will air in October? We have an own article for "The Resistance", but since the "Razor" ones are basically cut material that will be included in the DVD version, we might want to put them into the normal "Razor" article. When they air we can have a separate section, and later include them into the summary (once the DVD is out). They could be marked with a '*' for example to note their webisode status. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:19, 27 August 2007 (CDT)
: That seems a sensible approach. Also, we may want to create [[Razor webisodes]] (and articles of the same caliber) as a redirect to the "Razor" article, so as to avoid creating repetitious content. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 17:21, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

== Shaw's patch ==

I'm sure some of us noticed this already, but the patch is a orange yellow color. I wonder if she's a survivor from another battlestar or ship entirely. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 18:16, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah, it seems that she comes from another ship or ground installation. There is a scene in one of the trailers where Gina welcomes her aboard. And the first trailer shows her stepping off a Raptor carrying luggage. Somehow, I get the feeling that that doesn't happen after the attack. Maybe she's from the shipyards and supposed to do some work. The article also identified Gina as systems analyst by the way. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:32, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
::I remember that, so it wouldn't be surprising if she's from another ship or installation. On Gina, I'm also interested in the patch on Gina's uniform as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 18:45, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Yeah, but from the low-res shots you can't see anything. There are surely high-res versions for the press, but you know that NBC cracked down on those, so the fan sites probably won't show them. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:00, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
::::There being more stealthy about it now. Of course, I tried to get to bsgmedia.org and, surprise, the whole site was taken down. Coincidentally, I've sent off a query to BSGMedia.org's domain owner to see what's up with the site. Hopefully, someone will have the higher res versions somewhere at least... sigh... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 19:45, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
:::::Fanwankery, but perhaps she is from the Scorpion Shipyards? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 04:55, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
::::::Why would such a young and high-ranking officer be stationed on shipyards? And why would it be necessary for her to sleep aboard Pegasus just because some systems are overhauled? --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 07:00, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
:::::::She isn't high-ranking. At that time she's just a lieutenant. And what does age and rank possibly have to do with where one is stationed? You are right about the sleeping part, so maybe she gets re-assigned and still has her old uniform. We'll see... --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:14, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
::::::::I just checked the article on the SFS and realized that the structure/purpose is more military and less civilian than I thought. Sorry. -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 15:11, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

Additionally, I tried to get on bsgmedia.org... but the site seems to have been taken down. Or is simply unavailable. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 18:19, 21 September 2007 (CDT)

I just visited bsgmedia.org ... it may have been down, but it seems to be back up --[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:00, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
: Yeah, but they no longer have the promotional pictures. They've been taken down apparently. All that's left are some low-quality screencaps. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 01:09, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

[http://www.bsg.cz/galerie/promos/401.2/hi_ep401-2_014.jpg High res picture].
It says "Ministry of Defense" and "...bol HQ". And [http://www.bsg.cz/galerie/promos/401.2/hi_ep401-2_011.jpg here] you see that the whole thing says "Kobol HQ". Weird. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:07, 6 October 2007 (CDT)

==Plot thickens for the UK airdate==
Dear Matt
 
Thank you for your email regarding Battlestar Galactica.
 
I can confirm that we do not have the screening rights to the movie 'Razor' however, I can confirm that Sky One has acquired the rights to season 4 of Battlestar Galactica however our license date is not until after 31/12/07.
 
Thank you for taking the time to contact us at Sky.
 
Kind regards
 
<removed>
Viewer Relations

Mmm so it would seem that the rumors might be holding true that Virgin1 snagged the rights to the Razor telemovie. Luckily Virgin1 is available on Sky so BSG fans arent going to lose out. Seems crazy for Virgin Media to pay for the rights to Razor as its basicly going to be free advertising for Sky viewers though. dvd.co.uk still reports it as airing on the 5th december too. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:57, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:What channel (on Sky) is Vigin 1 on? I haven't noticed it when I've been flicking through :-(. I'm stuck as to whether I should wait for the DVD release personally, it will probably be a much more enjoyable experience watching it uncut. [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 13:15, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
::The extended version will be better and will include the flashback scenes showing in thge US atm. Its still speculation that razor might be on virgin, I have not recieved a reply from them about it. Its on Sky 153 btw --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:00, 9 October 2007 (CDT)


==Advanced screenings==

http://www.battlestarevent.com

Specially-selected cities will be showing Razor on the big screen 12 days early(November 12th).  Registration begins today.--[[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 16:03, 26 October 2007 (CDT)
: They have a promo video on scifi.com [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=171267 here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 23:12, 26 October 2007 (CDT)

== Razor content ==

With the spoiler policy and all that, is it OK to:
* add a summary for [[Razor]];
* create [[Battle of the Communications Relay]];
* create [[Guardians]];
* add information about the first hybrid to [[Hybrid]]?
Or do we want to stay away from littering the wiki with Razor spoilers until after the airing? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:37, 4 November 2007 (CST)
: Adding the content is fine, as so long as we put the appropriate spoiler tags in place. From what I'm reading so far from the bulletin boards and the like, it seems like the screener is spreading like wildfire. (Hopefully this doesn't harm any sales, since this would definitely kill any future releases.) 
: As for the main Razor page, I was thinking that it would be best to do a subpage with the actual guide for now. Therefore I was thinking of something like [[Razor/Guide]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 14:43, 4 November 2007 (CST)

:There are warnings about spoilers in place, but I'd prefer to wait until the official airing for massive edits, which is why I only added/changed some general things so far. Doing the battle page would be ok, since that can easily be avoided. 
:I don't think we need a page for the Guardians though. A subsection on the Centurion page would suffice IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:46, 4 November 2007 (CST)
:: True, that's my preference as well, but realistically I think we should just go ahead and make subpages for the pages that need massive changes and do the "Razor" filled content there. Once that's done, we can roll everything into the main pages once "Razor" is aired. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 14:53, 4 November 2007 (CST)
:::That might cause some duplication, but is probably be the best idea. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:54, 4 November 2007 (CST)
::::Where entire sections are concerned (such as "The Harbinger of the Apocalypse" in [[The Destiny]], "The Guardians" in [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]] and the summary in [[Razor]]), subpages are probably the best course of action. Smaller additions (such as [[Lee Adama]], [[Scylla]]) could be done the {{tl|spoilli}} way. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:05, 4 November 2007 (CST)
:::::I just wanted to add a blurb about the word "Razor" and why it's such an interesting word. A 'Steppin' razor is a dangerous person. An individual that is not to be fooled with and is quick to take action. In the book Neuromancer, Molly was referred to being a Steppin Razor to give you an idea. I think this definition fits in not only with Cain but with the Pegasus ship as well. It survived so long by being hard and quick and lethal. {{unsigned|Hufnmouth}}

== Sharon ==

Could anyone tell whether or not Sharon was still pregnant in the scenes aboard ''Pegasus'' during "Razor"? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 10:59, 6 November 2007 (CST)
:Her belly can't actually be seen as far as I can tell. Cunning :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:06, 6 November 2007 (CST)
::Yes, it was well conceived shooting, in my view. I'd like to think it happened before "Downloaded", seeing as Sharon would probably refuse to help. Although, on the other hand, she didn't seem to happy to be there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 11:23, 6 November 2007 (CST)

== Canadian airdate ==

The Canadian airdate has been confirmed as November 24th [http://www.spacecast.com/tvschedule.aspx?date=11-24-2007 (source)], but I'm not sure where to put the information. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:41, 15 November 2007 (CST)

==Questions==
Why is the question: "Does Dualla take over as XO of Pegasus (Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II), because Kendra Shaw settles on New Caprica?" appear in this article when it is answered in this episode? {{unsigned|Tomglima}}
: Since the airing isn't until the 24th, this question will be there, simply because it's been there since before "Razor" was even aired. The "spoiler" version of this article is [[Razor/Episode Guide|here]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 23:02, 15 November 2007 (CST)
:See the spoiler pages for "Razor" and Kendra Shaw [[Razor/Episode Guide|here]] and [[Kendra Shaw/Razor|here]] for some more up to date info. Those pages will replace the standard articles when the movie has officially aired. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:07, 16 November 2007 (CST)