Editing Talk:Pegasus (episode)/Archive6

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== Gina killed 800? ==

Can someone quote me where in the episode it's stated that Gina killed 800 men? I know this was widely speculated prior to the episode, but this is what I actually heard: 700 Pegasus crewmen died in the initial attack, and Gina killed 7 of Thorne's men. Where does the 800 figure come from? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:06, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

In the extended cut, Cain says that Gina helped a Cylon boarding party gain access to the ship. Apparently they were more successful than on Galactica and might have vented a few compartements into space. Cain also said there were fuel fires on the hangar decks, but that might have been related to the attack with nukes.
In any way that's probably how Gina was uncovered
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:57, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

: I remember hearing what you heard, Peter. I haven't had the time to go back and check, but I was going to and then bring it up. Just thought I'd mention that. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:26, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

:: The 800 figure came from rumors regarding the ep.  I've revised the numbers to suit the information revealed in this episode.  Perhaps more will be revealed in "[[Resurrection Ship]]". -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 10:07, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

I think the 800 figure refers to Gina revealing to the other Cylons that the Pegasus survived.  The Cylons then launched a follow-up attack on the Pegasus.  The 7 figure would refer to the men killed capturing Gina.  Granted, I only recall the 700-800 figure from Cain's report on the crew who died at Scorpion Shipyards, so perhaps the numbers are wrong -- [[User: mq59|mq59]] 7:17, 31 December 2005 (EDT)

:There's pretty much no basis for it, unless it was in a cut scene, in which case we won't know for months yet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:28, 31 December 2005 (EST)

== Sharon and Helena ==

''According to an interview with James Callis (Baltar) in issue #197 of TV Zone, "There’s another cut scene where Cain is interviewing Sharon. She hardly says anything but she’s obviously furious that this Cylon has been treated so well. It sickens her, and that’s when Baltar realizes he’s dealing with a psycho."''
:Did Helena know how Sharon had betrayed the other Cyclons several times, and had saved the lives of the Galacticans several times? (helping Helo escape, rescuing Starbuck from the Farm, helping Roslin's crew on Kobol, resending the Cyclon virus back to the Cyclons, ect ect) 
:If she didnt know, do you think knowing this would have improved her view on Sharon? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 09:03, 18 January 2006 (EST)
::She did read all the ''Galactica'' logs. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:45, 22 November 2006 (CST)

== Removed "goof" ==

I removed the following paragraph originally placed by the Merovingian under the "goofs" heading:

*After Chief Tyrol and Helo burst in and Lt. Thorne gets killed, the pair are told to put their hands behind their head by Pegasus marines at gunpoint, after which Tyrol and Helo submit and put their hands behind their heads. When the camera cuts between viewpoints after this, Tyrol's hands switch between on and off his head several times.

Merv appears to believe this is an editing error, but if so it's a remarkably obvious one that would not have gone undetected. My interpretation of the scene is that the Chief does in fact change the position of his hands. The change in hand position is not abrupt, and he can easily have moved his hands from one position to the other while we cut away to different shots in the cell. Merv seems to assume that the Chief would keep his hands behind his head if a Marine with a gun told him to—clearly, Merv does not know Chief Tyrol particularly well. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:01, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
:Well I think A) The Marine would really have shot him B) The edit cuts are just ''too'' quick.  There's no way Chief would be moving his hands that fast.  Check the DVD's.  I'll leave it out if everyone still disagrees. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:30, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
::Unfortunatly i dont get my DVD's until the 28th august so would appreciate someone else taking a quick look at this scene --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 04:04, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

I just reviewed the scene. Tyrol has several seconds to move his hands from behind his head to on his knees between shots, and later when it cuts back to him, he moves his hands WHILE THE CAMERA IS ON HIM. As long as his hands are in plain view the Marine would have no reason to shoot him. It's no editing error. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 02:53, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

Watch the extended cut. It explicitly shows Tyrol moving his hands to his sides or into his lap and back to the head again. In the short version they cut that out.
So yes, it's an editing "error" (though there is enough offscreen time for Tyrol to account for it), but the full version is the definite one
--[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:04, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

== Unexplained Plot Point ==

Having watched both the standard and extended versions, I'm fuzzy on why Gina was on the Pegasus in the first place. If the Cylons expected all 3 battlestars at Scorpia to have the CNP online and launched a massive nuclear barrage to destroy them, why bother having a Cylon agent on board? With only 12 models available, the Cylons couldn't have put an agent on every battlestar in the fleet in case the attack failed (that's ten of each model in the fleet, radically increasing the chances of detection). Maybe they knew Pegasus would have its systems offline and they wanted to capture the ship to get their hands on a state-of-the-art human ship (since we know the Pegasus is much tougher than a basestar)? So they set up Gina on the Pegasus, waited unti it was powering down, then nuked the other two battlestars and then tried to storm the ship. However, the timing went wrong, Gina may have been exposed as a Cylon agent too early, and Pegasus was able to power up and get out of the firing line, although it still had to deal with the Centurions boarding the ship. The only problem with this is that the Cylons could have just used the CNP to order any of the other modern battlestars to shut down to be boarded, or even used the CNP to remotely vent their atmospheres into space.

Is it possible that the two actions were seperate? Gina just had the immense luck to be one of a handful of Cylon agents in the Fleet and just happened to be on Pegasus which escaped. She then set the ship up later to be boarded and taken over? The problem with this is that Caine's statements suggest the two battles happened simultaneously and there is no evidence of the Cylons knowing about Pegasus' existence until it pops up and starts blasting basestars to shreds alongside Galactica. Thoughts? And is this a question worth raising in the ep?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 20:09, 26 November 2006 (CST)

: I never really raised this question myself, since I've always assumed that Gina was on ''Pegasus'' due to Cain's prominence in the Colonial Fleet. As seen in the extended edition, Adama tells Roslin about Cain and how she's managed to climb the ranks relatively quickly. Thus it comes as no surprise that a Cylon agent may have found their way on ''Pegasus'' due to Cain. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:17, 26 November 2006 (CST)

== Needs updating/cleanup ==

The information regarding the extended cut is all phrased with a "to be" tense. Since this version has been out for sometime, the information, or at least its structure and phrasing, needs to be updated. Anyone care to take a stab at it? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:52, 17 December 2006 (CST)
== Step down to Condition 1 ==

In the very beginning after they positive establish the identity of the Pegasus, Adama says "step down to condition 1 throughout the fleet". I am confused. Is this a gafe? [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 23:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
:Mhhh, right; seems to be an error. I never noticed that, but not that you say it. I'll make a note about it. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
::Concur. Maybe they meant "from" instead of "to", but that's what they said. Looks like a goof. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:22, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

== Why interrogate Sharon? ==

I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
: I've always thought that the act was more to sate Thorne's desire to rape her more than anything else. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
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 == Gina killed 800? ==
-Can someone quote me where in the episode it's stated that Gina killed 800 men? I know this was widely speculated prior to the episode, but this is what I actually heard: 700 Pegasus crewmen died in the initial attack, and Gina killed 7 of Thorne's men. Where does the 800 figure come from? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:06, 27 September 2005 (EDT)
+Can someone quote me where in the episode it's stated that Gina killed 800 men? I know this was widely speculated prior to the episode, but this is what I actually heard: 700 Pegasus crewmen died in the initial attack, and Gina killed 7 of Thorne's men. Where does the 800 figure come from? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:06, 27 September 2005 (EDT)
 In the extended cut, Cain says that Gina helped a Cylon boarding party gain access to the ship. Apparently they were more successful than on Galactica and might have vented a few compartements into space. Cain also said there were fuel fires on the hangar decks, but that might have been related to the attack with nukes.
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 I think the 800 figure refers to Gina revealing to the other Cylons that the Pegasus survived.  The Cylons then launched a follow-up attack on the Pegasus.  The 7 figure would refer to the men killed capturing Gina.  Granted, I only recall the 700-800 figure from Cain's report on the crew who died at Scorpion Shipyards, so perhaps the numbers are wrong -- [[User: mq59|mq59]] 7:17, 31 December 2005 (EDT)
-:There's pretty much no basis for it, unless it was in a cut scene, in which case we won't know for months yet. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:28, 31 December 2005 (EST)
+:There's pretty much no basis for it, unless it was in a cut scene, in which case we won't know for months yet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:28, 31 December 2005 (EST)
 == Sharon and Helena ==
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 I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
 : I've always thought that the act was more to sate Thorne's desire to rape her more than anything else. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
-== General Comments ==
-For some reason, I'm really excited about this episode. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 01:28, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)
-== Ad Spammers ==
-Oh, great.  Now it appears that whatever is SPAMing us with ad links got a user name: "Boomer".  Although I think it might be possible for a zombie computer to do this, I'm leaning towards the idea that it's an actual person.  They must be subjected to live unsedated vivisection.  ---Ricimer 25 Aug 2005
-: Yeah, this is a real person. But they are likely still controlling another computer to do it. There are a few ways to go about reducing this stuff, but what I really don't get is that some yahoo actually wastes their time spamming a board that has thousands--THOUSANDS--of people who read and edit it deily, eliminating their "work" in  seconds. They're wasting their time more than they get on our nerves. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:02, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)