Editing Talk:Number Three/Archive 1

==uncategorizes comments==
> and may be one of the eight agents Sharon Valerii revealed to be onboard the Galactica.

When did she reveal this?  A link to the episode would be helpful.

:I'm guessing it'll be during her interrogation in one of the new episodes. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 11:42, 5 Jul 2005 (EDT)

:It was, Dr Gaius drugged the chief and he was going to die, and told Boomer that unless she tells him how many cylons there are in the fleet, he would let the chief die. --Viper[[User:68.89.164.132|68.89.164.132]] 19:22, 20 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Also, how do we know this? Ive seen all the eps aired and would have recognized lucy lawless much less if she was revealed to be a cylon --Viper[[User:68.89.164.132|68.89.164.132]] 19:22, 20 Aug 2005 (EDT)
: The episode has yet to air, thus you haven't seen it.  -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:37, 20 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:''Since Biers has not appeared in past episodes that feature the fleet-wide press, it can be speculated that prior to the Cylon Attack, she was more of a tabloid investigative reporter than a mainstream journalist.''

Actually, there's a simpler explanation - the journalists we've seen so far have mostly been members of the press crew covering ''Galactica'''s decomissioning - print journalists and radio commentators. Biers is a filmmaker. I mean, you wouldn't expect to find Michael Moore covering a white house press conference, right? That's just not what he does. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:41, 11 September 2005 (EDT)



I found a good news item for Lucy Lawless's future on the show.  It comes from a reliable entertainment news site.

"Lucy Lawless is joining the cast of SciFi's Battlestar Galactica for 10 episodes of the third season. Lawless is reprising her role as D'Anna Biers."  Here's the link (you just need to scroll about halfway down): http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0602/06/index.htm
--Ltcrashdown 21:27, 6 February 2006 (EST)

:Um, better than that LTcrashdown, it says this on the front page of the official Scifi.com site.  This link just copies the press released from the official site. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:42, 6 February 2006 (EST)

== Entertainment Weekly ==

Should it be mentioned that in one of the recent issues of EW, there was some information stating that D'Anna would be the leader of the Cylons? The text was "Former Xena, Lucy Lawless, will parlay her second appearance (on Feb. 24) as sentient hottie/brassy TV reporter D'Anna Biers into a full-time gig on Sci-Fi's Battlestar Galactica. The 10-epicode arc, starting next season, will detail D'Anna's emergence as - SPOILER ALERT - leader of her human-hating species, the Cylons. "I'm disinterested in playing a bleeding-heart Cylon," Lawless giggles. Besides, she points out cryptically, "no evil person thinks they're evil."--[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 08:44, 7 February 2006 (EST)

DrBat, please read the article first.  On January 29th I already got this information from a Lucy Lawless official fansite's transcript of Lawless's appearance at a the official XenaCon.  But she also gave the idea that she is not "the" leader of the Cylons; factions will develop when she claims this.  Mainstream press like EW usually isn't as accurate as straight-from-the-horse's-mouth actor fansites. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:29, 7 February 2006 (EST)
:Metinks Number Six will have a BIG problem with D'anna trying to take over, IMO. They'll be a catfight on Caprica of epic proportions! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:56, 7 February 2006 (EST)
:Can you post a link and/or some what she said onto Bier's entry? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 12:31, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::Um, that's why I was complaining:  I ''already'' put all of this information onto the "D'anna" article, plus I ''already'' provided links for it to the Lawless fansite I got it from (which has proved a quite reliable source in the past; Lawless gives lots of spoilers).  I am sorry, but the impression I got was that Dreamer didn't bother to read this article before adding redundant material.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:12, 8 February 2006 (EST)
:::I don't know if you're referring to me, but all the quote on the page says is that the character sets herself up as a god. It doesn't say anything about factions developing among the Cylons over whether or not to view her as their leader. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 11:56, 9 February 2006 (EST)

{{spoiltext|Other spoilers from the same source relate how Number Six is going to beat a D'anna copy to death with a rock and fight her, etc., plus other sources have talked about internal factions: they're dividing.  }}--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:42, 9 February 2006 (EST)
:I believe you, I was just asking if you could post a link and some text about the factions. The current link only mentions Lucy playing a character who views herself as a god. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 07:33, 10 February 2006 (EST)

==Fanlisting==

Um, what exactly does a fanlist do?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 07:32, 18 April 2006 (CDT)
:They list all 20 fans, of course, including both "D'Anna Biers" and "LINDSAY." ...So, to be less bitterly sarcastic, they let fans of something know about other fans so they can contact each other or whatever. I'd vote for the link getting pulled. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 10:34, 18 April 2006 (CDT)

==Main Image==
Hey, I was wondering which of these three images you would prefer if I placed as a main image. 

The first is the same as the current, but cropped so that we can actually see her better. 

The second is another promo image, cropped to show a specific section of her, and she is in another psot. 

The third is a crop of the last.

<gallery>
Image:Drei.jpg
Image:Drei2.jpg
Image:Drei3.jpg
</gallery>

I myself sort of prefer the middle or last one, but all are good for me. The most important thing is that the image conveys the character and her attitude, so other people's opinions would be nice :)--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:45, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
:I'm thinking the third one. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:01, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
:I'll go for the third one too. The black background is easier on the eyes, but you see more of her than in pic 2 --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:03, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
::Great, I'll put the third one then ;) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:17, 17 September 2006 (CDT)


So, I was waiting for episode 3x07 to air to bring this up, and it's that a lot of good promotional images were released for Three in this episode. Now, DrBat put one up, but the one I had actually thought would've made a really good one (albeit, had mentioned yet for spoiler safety of readers) is this one [http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Season_3_-_Promo_-_AMOS_-_Number_Three.jpg]  because it's a better angle in my opinion and she looks more formal, but you choose whichever you want.

So let's call for a vote for the main picture

<gallery>
Image:Threemos.PNG|Picture1
Image:Season 3 - Promo - AMOS - Number Three.jpg|Picture 2
</gallery>

One of these, or the past ones. My vote goes for “Picture 2” of this batch, as I said above, I think she simply looks better and more in her natural environment, but choose as you please. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:35, 11 November 2006 (CST)
*I just want to add that I actually do like the one presently there right now, however, I do feel like that angle is a bit weird for D'anna, but whichever of the pics is selected, I think the other one still deserves to be on the article. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:06, 11 November 2006 (CST)
:Meh, it looks good, ignore everything I say. I hate it when there are two pics equally good an you can decide :P --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:11, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::I prefer picture 1 because picture 2 has her body turned a little to the side, and she's cast in a blue light. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 21:33, 20 November 2006 (CST)
== Capitalization of the "A" in D'Anna ==

I noticed that the main page for the character has a lowercase "a" after the apostrophe. That doesn't appear to be correct. The episode summaries on the official Sci Fi site spell the name with a capital A. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:21, 2 October 2006 (EDT)

== Disambiguation? ==

I'm wondering if we're going to have to do some in-article disambiguation soon between D'anna, the mainline Threes and "Oracle-Three" (the one having the visions).  Any thoughts on this?--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 19:42, 17 October 2006 (CDT)
:I think the article is sufficient so far. D'anna Biers, and the Three that is the antigonist of Caprica-Six are the only ones significantly differentiated. It's likely (although not confirmable unless a [[BW:OC]] answer comes) that the Three that is revealed at the end of "[[Final Cut]]" is the same one. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:48, 17 October 2006 (CDT)
:"Oracle-Three" may well be D'anna Biers, since she was the one who was shocked by news of Hera's death in a Downloaded deleted scene. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 08:59, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::She's the same Three who got rocked by Six, and that means it can't be D'anna since at the same time D'anna was trying to steal the child. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:33, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
:::What makes you think she's the same Three who got rocked by Six? [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:26, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::::I think it was in various interviews, but you did make me think, so I'll look around to see precisely why I believe it is the Rocker. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:44, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

==It '''IS''' D'anna==
So, I had previousley argued that the Three we see with the baby & stuff is the one that got "rocked" by Six. However, the discussion made me look for proof, so I looked for the very first time we saw the Three that was certainly the one who got the baby, and I remembered that we see her ear, and she has 3 ear pearcincs in one ear. 

Now I know this is LL, so any Three could have them, but then I thought that maybe, if D'anna had previousley appeared with 3 Earings, this was a clue that it was that Three (since their bodies are probably not made with pearcings). And I was suprrised to find, that D'anna Biers did, indeed, wear 3 earings in the same fashion, one which no other Three has worn.

So I admit I was wrong and we now know that "Baby-Three" is indeed "D'anna Biers". I put this in a category of it's own because I consider the proof important.

I know many of you had already assumed this, but this is my proof that it's the same character, and that we might disambiguate at least this specific Cylon from the batch. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:57, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

:The questions that bring up would be if "Baby-Three" is indeed "D'anna Biers", did she live a year with the humans and never managed to bump into Anders or the others who were rescued,(who know what a Three looks like) or was D'anna perhaps killed from the Cloud 9 explosion and somehow resurected? [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 22:53, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

::The Cylon copies share memories; while it probable that the Three that carries Hera away is the Fleet's "D'anna," we cannot be sure. ALL Cylon models have the same identity that changes over time with exposure and experience. The D'anna copy did not speak in kiwi accent, now, all do. Photographic evidence for everyone (with episode citations) could help your case. There's nothing in aired content that I'm aware of which suggests where the original D'anna model ends up. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:27, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

:::You can see D'Anna with 3 earings in "Final Cut", and the Three we see shows them very clearly in "Exodus I". But that aside, the clearest evidence is the one presented in the point below. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:23, 17 November 2006 (CST)


==Was that a Retcon?==
I just watched "[[Hero]]", and unless I'm mistaken that had a retcon, making the deleted scenes in "[[Downloaded]]" non canonical (at least the ones with D'Anna), and making "Rock Three" and "D'Anna Biers" the exact same Cylon.....

Unless Rock Three shared her memory and D'Anna for some reason took her place in Cylon society, but I doubt that, so this smells like a retcon to me. Thoughts? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:23, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:Apparently she's "Rock-Three", not the reporter. Only "Rock Three" flashbacks were in that sequence, not D'Anna Biers flashbacks. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:01, 17 November 2006 (CST)
::Actually, the whole dream she had of being shot was not only with the D'Anna costume, but in Galactica, making it impossible for her to be any other Three. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:56, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:::The costume doesn't tell us much of anything, and the Cylons would know about the internal design of Galactica via the reports of Boomer, Shelly Godfrey and Bomber Doral. Anyway, RDM says in his podcast that the sequence was set up to tease the viewer as long as possible. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:03, 1 December 2006 (CST)
::::Well I'm just saying, I doubt it's a coincidence she was wearing both D'Anna costumes, but whether the memory is another Three's or hers is unknown. It does seem to me, however, that her being D'Anna would be the simplest explanation as to why she remembers some things, and why everyone calls her that. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:01, 18 December 2006 (CST)

==Reorganize with information from Hero==
Sorry if I'm repeating anything above, but I just want to establish consensus before we reorganize the article.

The flashbacks seen during Three's suicide in "[[Hero]]" included images of:
*Three, sitting in a theater with other Cylons in "Final Cut"
*Three, leveling a gun at Anders in "Downloaded"
*Three, finding Hera on New Caprica in "Exodus, Part II" (this one was referred to by Baltar as "D'anna")
This strongly suggests that these Threes, and the one featured recently on the Basestar, are the same person.

Meanwhile, the Fleet copy would be the one featured in "Final Cut" and cut from "Downloaded". Although we don't know her ultimate fate, it's almost inconceivable that she managed to avoid being out by Anders for over a year on New Caprica. Until we learn otherwise, the safest assumption is that she was executed, like the two Cavils in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 11:36, 1 December 2006 (CST)
:Well, the main Three had a dream in which she was dressed as D'Anna Biers and was in D'Anna's setting....so it's still rather unclear. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:59, 18 December 2006 (CST)


==Info box incorrect?==

The info box states that the Three that bulldog was presumably not resurrected. I'm assuming this is because of the virus she appears to have being a threat to the cylons.

Kara reasoned later in that episode that the cylons on the basestar Bulldog was on faked being sick. This was to trick the colonials with a story they would buy into. Kara asked what are the odds that there were two seperate viruses. There weren't. The cylons on Bulldog's basestar didn't encounter the probe either so they don't have the original virus.

Three faked being sick for Bulldog's benefit so he would think his escape was plausible. When she died she was almost certainly able to download into another body.

(granted it's all a moot point now) --[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 05 February 2007.
:And he didn't hit her forhead, he punched her nose into her braincase, or so it appears.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:10, 5 February 2007 (CST)
::I removed the "presumably not resurrected" note. I also removed a bit about Three being shot by a marine in [[Hero]], which only happens in a dream. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 08:41, 5 February 2007 (CST)

== Cleanup ==

This article is highly wordy and, worst of all, repeats episode summary information and other data found on other articles. It needs to truncate the relevant elements of the model's tendencies and notable history without extended narrative. I removed the overly detailed list of "deaths" to the only relevant one; it's a Cylon and doesn't die in the conventional sense.  --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:35, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

:I'm going to take a pass or two at this article ASAP. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 11:48, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Since noone got around to it yet, I went ahead and deleted around 7000 characters of repeated information. Generally, I think it's alright now. The Temple of Five portion could probably be cut further, but I'm ok with it after deleting all the stuff not directly related to Three. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:38, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

:Thanks Serenity ... this one slipped through the cracks on me. :) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 22:11, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

::And again I marked for cleanup. The Temple of Five stuff is still wordy and repetitive of episode data. Needs only her perspective and not a full explanation, IMO. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:45, 16 August 2007 (CDT)
:::I removed some parts about the initial quest and the arrival at the temple and cut just about everything about the standoff above the algae planet, as that's really the least important part, even if a Three comes to ''Galactica''. What I left pretty much intact is the vision she receives in the temple and the boxing as that's the key about that part. All in all, its length is comparable to other sections now. Feel free to remove more though if you want. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:50, 16 August 2007 (CDT)
:::Looks much better, thanks. I've removed the tag. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:02, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

== "End of Line" ==

Since I don't want to enter into a revert war, I'll just start discussion here: DrBat changed the caption "End of Line" underneath the picture of D'Anna's boxing to "D'Anna is boxed". I reverted, saying it was supposed to be humorous. He reverted that, saying he didn't see the humor of D'Anna's death.

So, do you think "End of Line" is an appropriate caption?
* {{support}} One of the funnier things around here --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:33, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
* {{support}} While the line is attributed to the Hybrid, D'Anna also saw it in her death dreams, so it is pertinent to the article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 13:03, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
* {{support}} per Joe. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 13:09, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
* {{support}} I like it. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
* {{support}} Joe said my thoughts exactly. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:01, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
* {{oppose}} "End of Line" is a misleading description. We probably haven't seen the last of her too. --[[User:ywhtptgtfo|ywhtptgtfo]]
* {{oppose}} ''Again'', why is her death supposed to be humorous? I don't recall seeing the [[image:BSG WIKI Silly.png|30px]] template on this article. Saying she gets boxed is more appropiate and factual. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 16:40, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
* {{support}} A little levity is fine, here and there. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:44, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
* {{support}} It's funny, but it's pertinent to her (ultimate?) fate. --[[User:Panopticon|Panopticon]] 16:58, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
* {{support}} It has semi-comedic irony, and it's relevant/factual. The two are not mutually exclusive. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 10:49, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

Looks clear to me, I'm putting "End of Line" back up. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:51, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

==Splitting the D'annas?==

It seems to me that one way to make this article less unwieldy would be to go the Sharon route and split it into a few separate D'anna Biers articles. It would be a little tricky, because we don't know exactly who is who, but it wouldn't be that hard. Galactica Three and Caprica Three are definitely two separate individuals, and Season Three Three is definitely the same one throughout. It seems like the consensus is that Caprica Three and Season Three Three are one and the same, and that's how I feel. But even if we don't want to commit to that, we can give Caprica and S3 their own articles and note that evidence suggests they are the same.

In terms of disambiguation, I'd probably go by episode, so there'd be Number Three (Final Cut), Number Three (Downloaded), and Number Three (Season Three), or just the first two if Caprica and S3 are the same one. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 05:50, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
:I think it would be a bit too messy, and considering they all fit together in a page quite well I'd say we might leave it like this. After all, near the end they all started acting in much the same way, and they all got boxed. I dunno, just my opinion. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:50, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
:I agree with Sauron that there isn't much difference between the Threes. [[Sharon Valerii]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] are very different from the other [[Number Eight]]s, and both have been (or still are) vital persons on ''Galactica''. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:15, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

:Disagree as well. We just need to cut down on the heavy retelling of episodes. Since noone else has done it so far, I'll take a stab at it later. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:16, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

:Well, now that "The Hub" has aired, there's only one D'Anna left in existence... So I vote to split the article, in lieu of this fact. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

::I noticed this earlier, and found this to be a unusual problem at an otherwise very clear wiki. I agree with Joe on this. (Except I think you misused the phrase "in lieu of", :P )—[[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 01:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

::: Bleh, you're right. My brain's a bit on auto-pilot. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==Where did reporter D'Anna go?==

I probably could have looked a little harder to find the answer to this question, but so far, this issue isn't addressed in Three's article or the talk page: When did the humans find out that D'Anna Biers, the woman they knew as a reporter, was a Cylon?  I don't recall any big reveal.  We, the viewers, get that reveal at the end of [[Final Cut]], but presumably that character just disappears from the fleet and never returns.  When did the humans on Galactica figure it out?  Why wasn't there a Big Dramatic Moment?  It looks like the writers just glossed over this one, which seems pretty uncharacteristic of them. --[[User:Cavatica|Cavatica]] 16:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
: She appeared again in "Downloaded", BTW. An abandoned sub-plot has her and Gina working to steal Hera, however Medic Ishay notifies her that Hera's dead. (It's a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 2 (RDM)#Downloaded|deleted scene]] on the DVDs.) Beyond that, she was likely outed after the Cylons occupied New Caprica and, after that debacle, likely boxed after the Eye of Jupiter thing. So she's effectively "dead", no matter how you slice it. As for the "big reveal"... there wasn't too much of a big deal over Simon, either. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:: I realize all that, and I just sort of assumed that maybe the resistance fighters on Caprica would have shared that information once they were rescured or something, but it seemed like there ought to be some moment of dealing with it on-camera; it seems sloppy to just assume the characters figured it out eventually.  And yeah, Simon's another one, though at least Starbuck put those pieces together and killed the dude, only to face Simon, the Sequel, moments later. --[[User:Cavatica|Cavatica]] 19:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)