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::Yup. I was just correcting some notes that were saying she was surely crushed by the pressure, and they were getting re-corrected so I wanted to lay down the physics to avoid that sort of back and forth. It may be that the best thing to say is that the circumstances were left ambiguous, and that based on what we know, we can't say she'll be back, and we can't say she won't. What's worth documenting is what we see in the show, and what we know from science (since it claims to try to be a naturalistic SF show). The only speculative conclusion is that we don't know what happened to her. The way I see it a good role of the wiki is to document all the clues you might wish to know in order to do your own speculations, while not doing those speculations for you. Of course, speculations will always drive those clues -- the main reason you are interested in whether the raider was real or not, or whether she could have survived or not is to form your own hypothesis on how like it is she'll be back. The way to draw the line is to include in the Wiki entries of the form, "If you want to speculate for yourself on Starbuck, here are the facts" rather than "I think Starbuck is dead/alive because of xxx"--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:30, 7 March 2007 (CST) | ::Yup. I was just correcting some notes that were saying she was surely crushed by the pressure, and they were getting re-corrected so I wanted to lay down the physics to avoid that sort of back and forth. It may be that the best thing to say is that the circumstances were left ambiguous, and that based on what we know, we can't say she'll be back, and we can't say she won't. What's worth documenting is what we see in the show, and what we know from science (since it claims to try to be a naturalistic SF show). The only speculative conclusion is that we don't know what happened to her. The way I see it a good role of the wiki is to document all the clues you might wish to know in order to do your own speculations, while not doing those speculations for you. Of course, speculations will always drive those clues -- the main reason you are interested in whether the raider was real or not, or whether she could have survived or not is to form your own hypothesis on how like it is she'll be back. The way to draw the line is to include in the Wiki entries of the form, "If you want to speculate for yourself on Starbuck, here are the facts" rather than "I think Starbuck is dead/alive because of xxx"--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:30, 7 March 2007 (CST) | ||
Rather that have a debate on the issue in successive edits, I have simplified the text to a statement that we don't have sufficient information to judge how good the Galactica ejection suits are. We thus are not going to resolve this. Also corrected wind speed quote from 100 miles/second (which is impossible) to 700 km/hour recorded by NASA probes. Wiki page cited only notes 100 m/s, which is 360 km/hour or 225 mph, quite a bit less than 100 miles/second, which is .05% of lightspeed. | Rather that have a debate on the issue in successive edits, I have simplified the text to a statement that we don't have sufficient information to judge how good the Galactica ejection suits are. We thus are not going to resolve this. Also corrected wind speed quote from 100 miles/second (which is impossible) to 700 km/hour recorded by NASA probes. Wiki page cited only notes 100 m/s, which is 360 km/hour or 225 mph, quite a bit less than 100 miles/second, which is .05% of lightspeed. | ||
I'd like to note for the record that while I don't remember whether dialog established this planet as a gas giant, throughout both of the later flight scenes, both Gaeta and Tigh (and the display Gaeta keeps watch) refer to the "hard deck." In essense they're saying pull up or you will crash into the surface. Jovian planets don't have a "surface" like terrestrial planets do. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_giant] I'm not making any points for Starbuck's alive or dead or somewhere inbetween debate. Just pointing out that we may be focusing on the planet make up a bit too much. | I'd like to note for the record that while I don't remember whether dialog established this planet as a gas giant, throughout both of the later flight scenes, both Gaeta and Tigh (and the display Gaeta keeps watch) refer to the "hard deck." In essense they're saying pull up or you will crash into the surface. Jovian planets don't have a "surface" like terrestrial planets do. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_giant] I'm not making any points for Starbuck's alive or dead or somewhere inbetween debate. Just pointing out that we may be focusing on the planet make up a bit too much. | ||