Editing Talk:Louanne Katraine/Archive 1

==Character Guide Pic==
I wonder if there wouldn't be a couple of pretty good character pic opportunities for her during "Final Cut". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:22, 24 January 2006 (EST)
:I would think "[[Scar]]" would have even better opportunities; hopefully someone will step up. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:22, 8 February 2006 (EST)
::[http://galactica.emedian.net/ Dr Bat's Source] has an interesting one of her doing the "equilibrium" firing drill (under the "Episodic" photography). However, it's not much of a face closeup, and I'm not 100% sure on the copyright status of those shots (as cool as they are). They look too good to be screenshots, so if they are really promo photos then I think we'd be ok. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:40, 8 February 2006 (EST)

== What did Kara Realize? ==

I think I agree with <del>Ricimer</del> The Merovingian. Kara didn't realize that she was being destructive because of Anders... Anders is fraking up her normally destructive mentality. She didn't realize ''jack'' while in the cockpit. All she knew at the time was that she chickened out. Later, while sparing with Karl, he pinpointed why she chickened out. It's not like Kara was normal before meeting Anders. Before meeting him, she'd have gone on in and been blown up. After meeting him, she's become a bit more sane and she doesn't know how to handle that. I'll wait for responses before reverting, but I think The Merovingian (who sorely needs a name I can call him that's much shorter) and I had identical interpretations of the final few minutes of "[[Scar]]". --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:48, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:A) Agreed.  I don't think Spencerian's assesment was right:  Starbuck "chickened out" (prudently protected her own life) because, as they stated in dialog at the end, she has Anders to live for now, etc. etc.  

:B) Why?  You seem to have little difficultly in typing "The Merovingian" at present.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:55, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:: Re: B - Well, I use "Day" partly because it is a short, short word. You may've noticed I refer to [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] as simply "Joe", [[User: April Arcus|April Arcus]] as simply "Peter", [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] as "Spence" and [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] as "SV". That may be a bit too many examples, but I'm trying to establish a pattern of typing laziness. If push comes to shove, I may start calling you "M" or something... "The Frenchman" is just as long, see... Anyway. That's the long answer. I guess the short answer would be, "Because I can't be bothered." *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:21, 8 February 2006 (EST)
:::Frenchy? ;) --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 07:39, 8 February 2006 (EST)

All: There's no problem in updating or revising my intepretation, especially given the insightful explanation in this thread. Please, just type it in so that it doesn't read like my 9-year old son wrote it, thanks.

And I have already selected "Merv" for the M's short name, which is very obvious to me (and any Matrix fan). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:39, 8 February 2006 (EST)


Indeed.  Yes, "Club Hel" scene, mexican standoff bit, etc. etc.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]]

===Acting CAG?===
Admittedly I am no expert on military nuances so correct my confusion if you can:  Kat was leading the Vipers sent against Pegasus in Resurrection Ship part I, but does that mean she was the actual, promoted "CAG"?  I mean, a pilot cannot be awake or expected to be capable of flyint 24 hours a day, so logically, at times they lead flight missions during which the actual "CAG" is not "leading the planes".  We don't really know ''who'' Galactica CAG was after Apollo got transfered.  Just thought I'd bring it up.  Of course, I actually think the current idea of saying she was "presumed" in the link box is actually our best choice of action, and I actually don't see a better way of saying any of this.  Just thought I'd bring it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 22:34, 25 March 2006 (CST)
: Kara was stationed on pegaus at the time. If the leader of a sqaud is not contacted who is then? A polit with less rank? She must have been acting CAG or even just CAG after the transfer. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 00:14, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::Well I guess that would depend on whether we consider Starbuck acting CAG during "Bastille Day" for example, but I don't think so. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:19, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::I would say she was a CAG at that time. She is conducting the meeting, and that who the CAG is... someone even if it is so such a short time... bears that title. everyone keeps their title, even past retirment. (i.e. Retired Soilders keep their rank, unless revoked by a Dishonarble Dischange.)  It's almost like if I were the Governor of a State, and after I left office, I would still be called Governor. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 00:22, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::I would say the difference between Kat in "Resurrection Ship" and Starbuck in "Bastille Day" is that in RS, Kat's superiors had been transferred off-ship in an official capacity and weren't realistically expected to return; whereas the hostage crisis in "Bastille Day" was probably expected to be defused one way or another. Thus, in my mind, Kat was actually acting CAG in "Resurrection Ship", whereas Starbuck was just filling in in "Bastille Day". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 09:39, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::...No, CAG is nothing like that.  It's a position not a rank; note that when Apollo is no longer CAG at various times, he is ''not'' called "CAG".  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:29, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::In the Navy, CAGs don't fly every mission. Any of the experienced pilots can lead missions, even if it was an Alpha strike (every attack and fighter craft launching to attack one target). CAGs do tend to fly missions just to keep up there flight hours. A good book that really shows the life of a CAG is Stephen Coonts' "Final Flight." CAG is as much an administration post as a combat one. Kat wouldn't have to be a CAG to command a mission like that. Also, if a CAG is unable to perform, and another is unavailable, the senior squadron commander would fill his shoes. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:00, 26 March 2006 (CST)

::::Thank you, Talos.  Hm, you have a book source and that sounds kind of official to me, so I guess I'll edit the article. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:53, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::::Because everything has to be spelled out and everyone has their own option,

:::::''Commander, Air Group, or CAG, refers to the senior officer responsible for air operations aboard an aircraft carrier of the U.S. Navy. The term traces its origins to 1938 when the first Carrier Air Group was formed. Air Groups were redesignated as Carrier Air Wings, or CVWs in the 1970s, but the head of the air wing is still referred to as the CAG.On a Royal Navy aircraft carrier, the equivalent is the Commander (Air).''

:::::Anyone, even if are acting is considered reponsible. I beleive she was the one asking for permission to fire. Not other pilots. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:07, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::::That just means she was the leader of the mission. If Starbuck was leading a flight of 10 Vipers and Apollo was on Galactica doing paperwork, she wouldn't be CAG but would still lead the flight. Now Kat could be the CAG but we are just never told one way or another. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:15, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::::::By that time Lee (Lt.) was in a Raptor, and Kara was coming back from the Reserrection Ship Recon. How could any one of those two people be CAG while they were not even on board Galalcita nor under Galalcicia control at the time? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:27, 26 March 2006 (CST)
::::::::I'm saying that Kat was a junior pilot. Any of the surviving pilots from before the attack would be more senior than her. If she wasn't the CAG, it's quite possible that it was a Raptor pilot. For all we know, Cain assigned a Pegasus pilot as CAG and he refused to fight his own ship (just speculation). --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:36, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::::::::Fair point. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:11, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::::::::Good points, Talos. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:31, 26 March 2006 (CST)


==Smug?==

"Kat chides Starbuck once more in the pilot's recreation room as she held the Top Gun mug. Starbuck pours champagne in the mug and tells Kat, "You've earned it." Kat's slight smile in response was not that of __smugness__, but that of honor--for Starbuck to tell her that she was (at least for the time being) the best--is pleasing as a master would compliment a student (Scar). Kat's __smugness__ was short-lived, as Starbuck offered a toast to all the pilots who have died during their flight from the colonies. Overwhelmed with the memory of lost comrades, Kat nearly burst into tears. {{unsigned|Niethan}}"
To clarify: is she smug or not? [[User:Niethan|Niethan]] 11:53, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

:That was my interpretation of the matter. Emotions were running high there, and even Commander Adama is grinning there, apparently aware of the mercurial nature of having to hand over the Top Gun mug when you're bested. Kat's grin might be more of "smug satisfaction" than merely the "nah-nah" teasing grin that Starbuck uses. The differences are small, I'll admit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:05, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

::Saying she isn't smug then saying the opposite ten words later is plain bad style, not a matter of interpretation ;) [[User:Niethan|Niethan]] 12:19, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

==Kat's rank==

Does anyone have a screenshot of her with Captain's insignia? I only have relatively low-res video files, but in "Torn" when she walks across the hangar deck at the beginning, she wears Lt. pips as far as I can tell.
:If I remember correctly, Kat's Viper Mk VII was marked "Lt. Louanne Katraine" during the mock dogfight scene. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:44, 9 November 2006 (CST)
::Are Lt.s and Lt. JG's marked differently on Vipers? For, in [http://www.caprica-city.de/users/pedda/kat/newcag.jpg this picture] - which was probably taken during the production of early season 3 episodes - Kat wears Lt. JG insignia. - [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 16:48, 9 November 2006 (CST)
::Watching over the mock dogfight scene, her rank/name/callsign are never shown on the Viper. It still looks to me like in the hangar deck and in the pilot's lounge, she's wearing Captain insignia. However, based on the above photo and no hard evidence that she's a Captain, I'm putting her rank in the article back to Lieutenant. - [[User:Ratamacue|Ratamacue]] 17:42, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:::I was specifically looking for her rank on friday when I watched it last, and I'm sure you can barely see her rank, at least a -T. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:37, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:::You can see her name plate for a very short while, but you need a high quality source to decipher anything on it --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:34, 10 November 2006 (CST)
::::Yes, the only nameplate you can clearly see is Apollo's. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:51, 10 November 2006 (CST)
:::Look at the [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000q38zc promo picture] from "The Passage" - I see some chevrons sticking out of the pin, but I can't tell if it's full Lieutenant or Captain. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 22:21, 16 November 2006 (CST)
::::Good catch. (I got carried away by the wonderful looks and composition, and totally missed the pin.) There are two chevrons sticking out on each side, so Kat's either Captain or Major. I think we can assume she will be Captain, because there are only four people in the fleet who hold a rank of Major or higher (Bill, Saul, Cottle, Lee). --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 02:09, 17 November 2006 (CST)
::::It's a Captain's pin. Major is 3 chevrons. So I'd say she's promoted some time in the next few episodes --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:::::I think she was promoted to Captain some time ago, only we don't know about it yet (Helo's case, anyone?). Every Galactica's or Pegasus' CAG was either Captain (Apollo, Starbuck, Stinger) or Major (Apollo, Ripper) and Kat was Galactica's CAG for a few months, too. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 13:06, 17 November 2006 (CST)
::::::[http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c347/cgtgraphics/Luciana%20Carro%20Caps/luci_torn_11.jpg These two] [http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c347/cgtgraphics/Luciana%20Carro%20Caps/luci_torn_12.jpg screen caps] are from "Torn". Is it just me or can you see something like two chevrons sticking out, too?
:::::::Yeah, it seems like she's Captain for some time now. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 13:13, 21 November 2006 (CST)

== Name change? ==

Now that we realize she is not Louanne Katraine, maybe we should change the name of the article to her ''real'' name. That way it be properly documented. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 00:33, 9 December 2006 (CST)
* Naw. I vote against it. "Louanne Katraine" is what she is commonly known as, not "Sasha." "Louanne Katraine" is even legally her name, having all the documentation. "Louanne Katraine" is what the character is known by to the viewers, therefore that's what she should be documented in this encyclopedia as. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 01:35, 9 December 2006 (CST)
*I agree, though I think the info should be made into chronological order (so the stuff about her being a drug runner would be at the start of the article). --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 06:42, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:We could always make a redirect of Sasha to here and mention the name issue in the opening paragraph of the article. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 08:49, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Done! -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 19:10, 9 December 2006 (CST)

==Spelling of real name==
Everyone's been spelling Kat's real name "Sasha", but the closed caption spells it "Sacha". I know CC isn't a most reliable source, but is there any official sources that back up or refute this? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 08:02, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:My cousin once removed is called Sacha. I think that's the traditional spelling. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:05, 20 December 2006 (CST)

== Picture missing ==

What happened to "Season 3 - Promo - The Passage - Kat.jpg"? I think it was Kat leaning against a wall. Was that deleted for a reason? I can't find it on MediaWiki anymore. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:37, 21 January 2007 (CST)
:The deletion log at the media repo says that Shane deleted it on the 14th. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:10, 21 January 2007 (CST)
::Doh. Totally forgot about the log. For reason it says "huh? removed cropped version". So it seems to have been a lowres picture. But I don't think there is a highres version uploaded yet. Should I just do that? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:19, 21 January 2007 (CST)
:::If you have one go for it, it was a low-res shot. You can always upload to a different name in case Shane is going to upload it again. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:26, 21 January 2007 (CST)

== "posthumous promotion" to CAG in infobox ==

Kat was made CAG by Admiral Adama prior to her death.  While the magnets on the board may not have been changed until after her death, that doesn't mean she wasn't CAG until that point.  Furthermore, as CAG is a position and not a rank, one cannot be "promoted" to it, and I would argue that one cannot even be appointed to that position posthumously in the way that one can be promoted in rank posthumously.  The magnet change was clearly a purely ceremonial act (and while the deathbed appointment was primarily ceremonial as well, there's no arguing that an appointment by the Admiral while still alive is official).  I'm going to change the infobox to show "briefly" or something similar, instead. [[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] 21:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: Feel free! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== "Hi, mom!"  ==

"Hi, mom" is not, to my knowledge anyway, an expression in the real world. She was waving "hi" to her friends on [[Freighter 212]], and her mom, presumably. Well, that was the case until we were victimized by Jane Espenson's character assassination in "The Passage." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:01, 11 May 2011 (EDT)