Editing Talk:List of pilots/Archive 1

==Capitalization==

I don't particularly care whether or not the terms Viper or Raptor are capitalized, but according to [[Battlestar_Wiki:FAQ/Proper_BSG_nouns]], they needn't be. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:59, 21 Aug 2005 (EDT)

==Post-Pegasus==

My purpose in maintaining this list was to keep track of the fleet's limited manpower, which was made quite a big deal of in "Act of Contrition". However, the number of possible pilots was clearly exceeded in the episode "Flight of the Phoenix", which seems to indicate that the showrunners are no longer keeping track. Furthermore, the episode "Pegasus" is scheduled to introduce several new pilots, which will probably make this even more difficult and fruitless to keep track of. I see two options here:

*Note that the list covers the events of the Mini-series through "Final Cut" and leave it as a reference to those episodes.
*Reformat to include Pegasus characters but keep track of them separately, using the following outline structure:

*Active
**Galactica
***Vipers
***Raptors
***ECOs
***Others
**Pegasus
***Vipers
***Raptors
***ECOs
***Others
*Deceased
**Galactica
...

or

*Galactica
**Active
***Vipers
***Raptors
***ECOs
***Others
**Deceased
...
*Pegasus
**Active
***Vipers
...

et cetera. Do any of you have any thoughts? Is this even a useful resource, now that the showrunners are apparently not keeping track themselves? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:44, 21 September 2005 (EDT)

: IMHO, I think it is still a useful resource. Pilots are not easily replaced, but the influx of people from the Pegasus will likely cause some issues with this list, skewing the numbers a bit. Just my .02 cubits. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:44, 21 September 2005 (EDT)

: I think it's premature to decide the writers have given up pilot continuity because of one effects continuity error. I would suggest that keeping track as much as possible and making careful judgements as to whether any further sorties seem plausible is still a valuable service. Even with the Pegasus squadron around as an unknown X factor we might get more dialogue indicating the number of pilots in the fleet. -- [[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 21:37, 07 December 2005 (EDT)

I think the actual "numbers" section should be divided into pre- and post-Pegasus.  That said, I think the format of having separate lists for "those ''originally from'' Galactica" and "those ''originall from'' Pegasus" should work; for example, if Starbuck ends up on Pegasus for an extended period of time, having her mini-bio in this pilot list put in the Galactica-Pilots list, but within the bio mention "currently assigned to Pegasus". --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:37, 7 December 2005 (EST)

:I think their "current" assignments are more relevant, myself. We can note their origins parenthetically. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:47, 7 December 2005 (EST)

Here's a Q&A with Ron Moore where he's asked about the Flight of the Phoenix number of Vipers.  He answers that it was probably just a mistake, but he isn't sure.  At least this is acknowledgement of possibly making a mistake.  http://www.battlestargalactica.com/outside_docs/bg_outdoc0050.htm

==Pilots in Sickbay==

I'd like to add something to the pilot number for Act of Contrition when Apollo is talking to Starbuck about washing out the nuggets.  I got the idea that when Apollo said he only had 21 pilots for 40 Vipers, he meant he 'currently' only had 21.  The 21 wouldn't include the 7 pilots (Raptor or Viper) that were injured and sent to sickbay.  These extra 7 pilots could all be Viper pilots or suviving Raptor pilots, we don't really know, but I think this is worth mentioning.  It could account for extra pilots in the rest of the series.  Ltcrashdown  December 23, 2005

:I considered this in an earlier version of this document, and agree that it probably needs to be explicated better. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:56, 23 December 2005 (EST)



Here's some updated information for Lieutenant Emmit from Home (1).  This is from the closing credits of the episode.  Her character's full name is listed as 'Lt. Emmitt "Sweetness" Jones'.  It means that she was refering to herself by her first name during the Striker incident. Ltcrashdown  December 23, 2005



I've got a pilot that needs to be added to the list, but I want to make sur it's okay first.  Tucker "Duck" Clellan is the pilot.  he's from [[Flight of the Pheonix]].  He was there for the cardgame at the beginning in the card game with Starbuck, Racetrack, and Hot DOg.  He's also flying a Viper during the Cylon massacre.  Ltcrashdown December 25, 2005

==Raptor Pilots==
When Adama recruits Gal-Boomer to fly in KLG2, he says this: "Things are moving very quickly and I need every pilot." We can assume he's not an idiot, and knew that she had just survived a suicide attempt, so she must actually have been his very last competant Raptor pilot. At this time, five raptor pilots were deployed (two dead on Kobol, three or four to Colonial One, depending on whether Apollo was a pilot or passenger) Thus, we can conclude that as of KLG, pt. II, there were no more than six or seven extant raptor pilots. Does this sound fair? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:54, 30 December 2005 (EST)
:Well....a bit too speculative for my personal taste, I must say.  Later in season 2 they mention that they have AT LEAST 5 Raptors left. I'm not sure. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:20, 30 December 2005 (EST)


==New Pegasus Pilot==

I'm going to go ahead and add a new pilot to Pegasus's roster.  Fei "Freaker" Firelli was listed in the closing credits of Resurrection Ship Part 1, and since there was only one minor pilot in the episode (the one that tangled with Kat during the Dog Fight), I'm listing him under Pegasus.  Feel free to delete the change if you disagree with my addition.  Unfortunately, the credits rolled too fast for me to check out the actor who played him, but at least we have a name for now. --Ltcrashdown 02:04, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:Oops, my mistake.  I doubt anyone caught this, but it was a different pilot tangling with Kat in the dogfight.  THis pilot was Richard "Buster" Bayer, according to http://www.battlestargalactica.com/outside_docs/bg_outdoc0015.htm and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/guests under the credits for episode 2.11.  This corresponds to the barely visible 'Uster' seen under the pilot during the dogfight scene.  I guess that "Freaker" is a pilot cut from the episode because I don't remember any other pilots other than the Galactica regulars, Stinger, and Kat.  I'll move Firelli to the Viper list and replace Buster on the Pegasus list.


==The Mystery of Freaker==

Peter, thanks for finding an appropriate spot for Fei "Freaker" Firelli.  Once I know more about his role, depending on when Resurrection Ship part is re-ran, I'll update it.  I consider posting info on obscure pilots to be one of my callings on this wiki-resource.--Ltcrashdown 23:34, 7 January 2006 (EST)

==Cruft Removal==
After chewing on the numbers and reflecting on Galactica's recruitment practices, it's clear to me that keeping track of a maximum number of pilots available is a fruitless exercise. Unless anyone is especially attached to the analysis content of this article, I would like to strike it and reduce the page to a more streamlined list. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:59, 5 February 2006 (EST)

:I'm not sure I agree with striking it altogether, although I don't really care where it goes or what it's paired with. Two reasons: (a) As we have just seen in the Season 2 finale Lay Down Your Burdens, this show can change radically. Recruitment practices that apply today might not be feasible tomorrow. In Season 4 there might three pilots left. You just don't know, is my point. And (b) even if pilot count never becomes an issue again, it most certainly was an issue in the early episodes, so this analysis still have value to resolve arguments about those episodes.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 22:14, 14 March 2006 (CST)

:Just to clarify -- I always thought it was a little bit odd to have the analysis of the numbers of pilots and vipers on the 'List of Pilots' page. To me they serve two entirely different functions: that of 'databasing' or cataloguing show elements, and that of tracking the show's continuity and logic. I have written a proposal for a separate 'Logic & Continuity' page and posted it in My Talk for my user (sorry I don't quite know how to link properly yet). If this page is created, we can move the numerical analysis of pilots to be the first item on it.--[[User:Dogger|Dogger]] 06:18, 16 March 2006 (CST)

==Mentioned-Only Characters==

I'd like to suggest that some of the 'mentioned-only' characters be incorporated into the main body of pilot listings.  While some callsigns from the mini may make sens to be listed under 'status unknown', I think names like Beehive and Stubbs should be included in the main Galactica pilot list because it's hard to explain why they are listed at the bottom, while other 'mentioned-only' callsigns or names are put in the main body.  If anyone agrees, I'll swap the names out right away.  --Ltcrashdown 23:07, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:They're listed at the bottom because unnamed pilots matching their description have been killed since their last appearance. We have no reason not to suspect that Stubbs wasn't the pilot of, say, Raptor 3, gunned down in KLG 2. Thus, he's in the "Status Unknown" category, which is at the bottom, after "Deceased". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:54, 23 February 2006 (EST)

::I see that some behind-the-scenes "tongue-in-cheek" Viper assignments are included in the "mentioned-only" list.  Is this appropriate, since it's not likely that such characters would actually exist in the BSG universe, esp. if they're not shown on-screen, or intended to be shown, in an episode? Maybe having another table with "homage" tags would make more sense. -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 20:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Generally, I'd say it's ok, but not so with the Ron Moore entry. While the Kevin Smith character is plausible, there obviously isn't another admiral in the Fleet. So for consistency, an own homage section might be a good idea. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Actually, with RDM, I do seem to recall seeing it on a Mark II Viper. (Note that the nameplate was weathered by the painting department.) However, that might've been a later episode... For now, I do suggest throwing it in a "Homage" section, along with Kevin Smith's, just for consistency sake. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

==Season 3 Changes==
I was wondering if we should go ahead and change some of the listed pilot (mainly Starbuck and Duck) to the inactive pilot list to match up with what we've seen of Seaon 3 so far.  Whenever the former pilots rejoin the fleet, we can always change it back.  Anyone who agrees with this, feel free to let me know what you think should be done. --ltcrashdown
:I concur. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 15:14, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:I agree, but I wonder if we could somehow revise the page to take a more diachronic approach. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:22, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
::I went ahead and adjusted the notes.  Should Lee Adama be added to the inactive pilot list?  I notice he's not listed under anything right now. --ltcrashdown
:::Well, given his command of ''Pegasus'', I sincerely doubt that he has had the time to keep up on his flight hours. However, this is more of a conjecture on my part, since nothing for or against this has indicated his pilot status. For instance, I know that command officers who wish to retain an active flight status have to log in a certain amount of hours per month (or evaluation period, IIRC). Since nothing similar has been indicated thus far, I don't know how accurate this is in the BSG universe. We may find out tonight, though. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 09:26, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
:::It would seem odd to list Lee without listing Bill and Saul. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:16, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
::::I agree. However, I've added a section of people who were active pilots post-attack, which deals with the Bill and Saul issue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:29, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

== Update ==

This list needs a serious update. Since Pegasus is no more, the lists should be merged and every pilot not seen on the chart in The Passage should be moved to "status unknown". There are some new names there, too [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 13:28, 9 December 2006 (CST)
: I agree. Currently this entry is a bit messy and needs a fresh look. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 21:20, 11 December 2006 (CST)
: Perhaps a table system, similar to what is presently used on the [[Military Ranks (RDM)]] article? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:31, 11 December 2006 (CST)
::A few points to any revisers (Talos, that would be you) as the originator of this page (and it was my very first contribution to the wiki): The original purpose here was to keep track of named and unnamed pilots during the pilot shortage which lasted from "Act of Contrition" to "Resurrection Ship, Part II". During this time no continuity errors were ever encountered. In light of this, and the non-issue of pilot availability since the start of the second season, it may be wise to dispense entirely with that function of the page.
::I originally had pilots grouped by ship and specialty (Viper/Raptor/ECO). Since there is now only one ship, and since both Viper pilots like Apollo, Kat and Hot Dog and ECOs like Helo and Racetrack have been repeatedly shown to be competent Raptor pilots, these distinctions no longer seem as relevant. However, it's worth noting that Helo, Athena, Racetrack, and other Raptor-associated pilots have yet to be seen piloting Vipers, and ECO duties continue to be performed by specialists. Perhaps we could whip up a set of icons to use to indicate qualifications (Viper, Raptor and DRADIS icons, maybe?). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:25, 11 December 2006 (CST)
:::FYI, I'm working on a new draft myself. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:52, 12 December 2006 (CST)
::::I agree with your thoughts on the page. I tried to reply late last night but it wouldn't go through. Anyway, what you've done to the page is exactly what I was thinking, even down to the letters to represent qualifications. Good work! --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:41, 12 December 2006 (CST)
:::::Thanks. Do you think someone could whip up some cute icons to replace the V/R/E badges? Maybe a DRADIS display or a radar dish for ECO qualification? Or would that look cluttery? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:00, 13 December 2006 (CST)
:::::I think the V/R/E works, although a little upper pic of a Viper, a Raptor, and maybe a DRADIS screen, colored and almost chibi could work. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:50, 13 December 2006 (CST)
::::::Like [http://iconfactory.com/freeware/preview/bss1 these]? (BTW, are you the same Talos that created these?) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:46, 14 December 2006 (CST)

==Raygun==
So I recently "received" this episode, and I noticed that when Adama was putting Kat in her place on the board, the name Raymond "Raygun" Lai was up there. Now We all remember his viper is the one Kara Thrace took out of the museum in the miniseries, so, is he still active? How old is this guy? --[[User:zach_dax|Zach Schmidt]]
:It's such an obvious (and minor) blooper that I don't think it's worth the confusion of noting here. If someone mentions him in dialogue, it'll be worth revisiting. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:45, 14 December 2006 (CST)

== Narcho ==

Narcho is seen in "[[The Passage]]". He is in the locker room when the pilots pool their food and during the briefing. He also does have a speaking line there: "Is that true, they'd mess us up?". He's credited at TV.com. 04:48, 18 December 2006 (CST)


==Exodus Pilot "Redwing" ==

I was just looking at "[[Exodus, Part II]]" and noticed the Blue Squadron Viper pilot who was [[Hotdog]]'s wingman.  He calls himself [[Redwing]] and he's the one that takes out the guard tower at the shipyard.  I failed to notice him on this page, but someone made a small page  about him [[Redwing|here]].

It also appears to me that he might be the actor Angus Macfayden who plays Robert the Bruce in ''Braveheart''.  However I cannot find any source on the internet to confirm that.

[[User:EnsignXI|EnsignXI]] 12:23, 25 December 2006 (CST)

:Doesn't ''look'' like him -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:46, 6 January 2007 (CST)

::Look at the picture for [[Nowart]]'s page. You can see "Redwing"'s name but not very clearly. [[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 29 November 2007 11.48

:::I tried enlarging it to see if I can get an idea of his name, but it seems like "Padid McKay" or "Padiq McKay". I know it's "Mc"-something because the "c" is smaller than the rest of the lettering. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 15:38, 30 November 2007 (CST)

::::His name is Paolo McKay. I watched that seen from [[Escape Velocity]] over and over to get it right. I even changed it but can someone update it to make a new page for Redwing. --[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 9.24 pm 1 May 2008 CST

==Galactica Squadrons==
In the pilot's ready room on Galactica we can see several crests from various Viper units. Among these are the 1st squadron "Primus" and the 3rd "Vigilantes". Also on the wall is a 2nd Squadron logo (a blue 2 over a 5 point star) with the words "Strike _____" below. Also included is a crest for the Viper's Weapon School, 4th Squadron "Demons", 6th Squadron "Vampires", 7th Squadron "Battleaxe", 8th Squadron "Ace's _____". There's a couple of others I have not been able to identify yet. Anyone got anymore info? I'm going to try and put together a page which lists the previous / current squadrons on Galactica. 

It should be noted that these squadrons are likely organizational only. Throughout the course of the series we see Vipers are refered to by color-coded flights (Red, Blue, Green, etc.) which are made up of varying numbers of Vipers from a handful to several squadrons.[[User:AnteaterFeeder|AnteaterFeeder]] 02:13, 21 January 2007 (CST)

== Unseen pilots that have names mentioned in The Passage ==

Hey wouldn't all the pilots named in "The Passage" be lieutenants, cause all the others have ranks?--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]]
: Not necessarily. If they were rooks, then they could also be ensigns, such as [[Brent Baxton]] was in "[[Scar]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:19, 7 February 2007 (CST)

== Did we miss one? ==

Shouldn't the [[tattooed pilot]] be here (if we can figure out a way to describe him) in the active section? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:33, 2 March 2007 (CST)
:There is the remote possibility that he is one of the mentioned-only pilots, but I think they'll give him a new callsign if ever gets one. So he should probably be added --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:20, 3 March 2007 (CST)
::OK. The list is likely to have some overlap, so it shouldn't be a big thing. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:34, 3 March 2007 (CST)

== Status detail ==

I don't think it's necessary to move to Apollo to inactive just because he is acting as security and lawyer for three episodes. Stuff like that only creates even more work in updating the page. I don't think it's even necessary to list Adama and Tigh only because they were active pilots decades ago. Same with Kelly. He is flight qualified (which makes some sense as LSO), but he was never an active pilot on ''Galactica''. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:39, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Hand of God list of pilots ==

I was watching "Hand of God" and I noted the lists of pilots behind with all the callsigns so I went back and named as much as possible, noting that Sniper and Ninja from Bastille Day list are Viper pilots and Joker and Stinger are still breathing but off injured (noting to the stars seen on Joker, Stinger and Hyper in Act of Contrition). Bobo, Bash, P-Money, Moth, Hammerhead, Jackson, Flash, Famous and SpakeCat are names I also saw.--[[CoreyDanian]] 10.48 am 17.5.2007
:Sounds good :) Will you add them? Btw, you can say your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) to create an automatic timestamp --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:05, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

== micro stubs about pilots ==

What's the feeling about those tiny articles that only say "so and so is a pilot on Galactica..." and nothing else? I think this list exists so those articles aren't necessary. There are some names that are mentioned twice (like Ninja in "Act of Contrition" and "The Hand of God") and thus warrant an own article. Articles that have a note about the name's meaning also have a purpose. But otherwise I find it annoying to click on an article that doesn't contain more information than the one that I just came from. But maybe it's just me. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:51, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
:Sometimes It can be annoying but I think its better to have as much information as we can than have dead links around. Who knows when they might pop into another episode and someone wants to add to it. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 08:01, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
::No reason for dead links since I don't link new pilots here anyways unless something is noteworthy. There are a few names that are reused very well ([[Hex]], [[Fuzzy]], [[Dash]] for example), but [[Puppet]] wouldn't need an own article. Instead the names could redirect to this article if no information is known. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:09, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
:::Puppet was killed by Scar so he probably is worthy of a mention. I see your point though and there are other people like [[Greenback]] who could direct to here perhaps? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 11:36, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
::::Puppet he was killed prior to the episode and really just a name drop, but there are other examples, like those on the New Caprica rescue mission (except the two KIAs) and most of the new names from "The Passage". It's fine if people have different opinions, that's why I wanted to see what others think. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:52, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
: The micro stubs on pilots are only useful if we've seen their callsigns across multiple episodes, so we can properly note them. Or if they went splat during a battle (because I was thinking of a "deceased characters" category, since they're a lot of known dead people now). Otherwise, if they're just mentioned once on any of the boards, then turning the names into redirects would probably be best. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 11:55, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
::That's how I went about it, and it really looks better IMHO. Now, if people see a link they can expect some more info than the list offers. I also left in some with notes on names that might not be obvious like [[Catbird]] and [[Winger]] (though [[Headcase]] could go too maybe). Or ones with otherwise worthwhile notes like [[Rock Star]] and [[Wedge]]. And I noted that in the introduction. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:04, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
:::Looks good. Of course, by doing so, you lowered the article count below 2500... But that's OK. :-) Quality over quantity. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 13:22, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
::::Yeah, I noticed :( But now we can celebrate again :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:24, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
:::::It's like celebrating a woman's 29th birthday... for the second year in a row. :P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 13:28, 30 August 2007 (CDT)

== Tailgate, Raygun and Joker ==

I was watching the miniseries not long ago when I say the attack on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' with the one Viper casualty. I went in slow mode and actually saw "Tailgate" on the nameplate on the Viper destroyed. I think the name was Bryan Smith but it was so fuzzy I couldn't make it out. Someone check ASAP.--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 16.46 Saturday 10 November 2007

== Skulls ==

Could [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]'s rank be Lieutenant or Lieutenant Junior Grade according to his badges right?--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 16.47 27 November 2007
: Well, he is credited as Lieutenant... Come to think of it, there really haven't been any Lt. JGs since the miniseries, at least as so far as I can recall. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 00:51, 27 November 2007 (CST)

== The Stingers ==
I see that we have [[Stinger (Galactica)]] as a mentioned-only active duty pilot, but [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]], formerly of ''Pegasus'', as "status unknown". I have two questions:
#Where is Stinger's name visible in "Six of One"? Can someone provide a screenshot?
#What reason do we have for believing that the Stinger mentioned in "Six of One" is the one from ''Galactica'' not ''Pegasus''? {{unsigned|Peter Farago}}
::Just watch the scene where Lee takes a last look at the ready room. There are two boards visible, particularly at ca. 31:21. Stinger is on the one at 31:10. We don't really know who he is, but his name is among some others that he previously appeared with, such as Famous, Ninja or Sniper. [[Thumper (Galactica)]] is on there as well I think, but can't be seen clearly. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::We should link to the disambiguation page, then. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Karma and "Cylon War" pilots ==

: Hey just wondering if someone has found out bout Karma's first name yet. I keep seeing LT. POKER BAKER "KARMA" each time I see "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II". are there any production photos or something like that around or can someone get clean shots cause I'm just using my TV and my eyes.

Also shouldn't we add a part to add pilots from the First Cylon War, like "Banzai" (who I think is called Lt. Stuart Bachanal), Jaycie McGavin, "Raygun", "Joker", "Steady" and "Tailgate" (you can see Tailgate's name on the Viper that gets blown up in the Miniseries)?

Just saying we should try and clear all this up cause its driving me crazy with all the lists I do on the pilots. And someone update Showboat's spot for her callsign appearance in "Six of One".--[[User:CoreyDanian|Lt. Corey "Shadow" Danian]] 15th October 2008 1.46am CST

== Kelly's Roster ==

In the miniseries, as Apollo arrives on ''Galactica'', see several callsigns on a roster: <br>

LANCER <br>
DASH <br>
BOOMER <br>

In deleted scene of Boomer's arrival by Kelly's eyes, we see further names: <br>

Apollo <br>
STALKER <br>
BLAZER <br>
LANCER <br>
DASH <br>
BOOMER <br>

should we add these to the list of pilots even though they are technically mentioned only?

--[[User:CoreyDanian|Snr. Lt. Corey "Shadow" Danian (got promoted despite being 19)]] 7.07 Tuesday February 3 2009 (CST)

== After mutiny ==

Since we don't know what exactly happened to the mutineers (aside from Zarek and Gaeta), and we don't know which of the minor characters were mutineers, how about we rename the current "Status Unknown" section to "Status Unknown after New Caprica" and move all currently "active" pilots to "Status Unknown after Mutiny" unless seen as active post-mutiny or on the loyalist side during mutiny? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 15:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Cartwheel ==

I watched Daybreak part II on Scifi.com recently. After the Raptors jump into space and begin to fly toward the colony, there is a shot of a Raptor getting hit by an asteroid (before Racetrack and Skulls buy the farm). One of the pilots, I think it's Sharon, says, "We just lost Cartwheel." I also seem to remember the name being mentioned sometime earlier in the series though I don't remember the exact episode. --[[User:GafferGamgee|Spin up FTL]] 23:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== The Passage roster ==

I've been watching the Passage with much interest since the nameplates of various pilots came out on propworx and I think I can manage to complete the squadrons (mostly).

CAG: L. Adama/APOLLO

First Squadron: ???

???                                                         Jose Montero/TRIP
Clay McKenzie/FLIM-FLAM                         Becca Andrewson/BEETLE
???                                                          Keenan Van Dyk/BUTTERMILK
???/L-BOOGIE                                          ???
???                                                          ???

Second Squadron: Louanne Katraine/KAT
Noel Allison/NARCHO                                John Burke/SNITCH
Coran Dix/CHOPPER                                 River Brigden/HICCUP
???                                                          ???
???                                                          ???

Third Squadron: Kara Thrace/STARBUCK
Brendan Costanza/HOTDOG                      Karl Agathon/HELO
Raymond Lai/RAYGUN                               Jarrell Kief/FUZZY
???                                                          Ronald French/SONNY
???                                                          ???/FLASH
???                                                          Liz Riedel/KITTY-KAT

Fourth Squadron: Ricky Richardson/TWO TIMES
Sharon Agathon/ATHENA                          Margaret Edmondson/RACETRACK
Troy Minos/SEVER                                    Marcia Case/SHOWBOAT