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I don't know what other people think, but now that four of the twelve Cylon model numbers are accounted for, can we put a note on Conoy saying something to the effect of, "Leoben Conoy is either Number 1, 2, 4, 7, 9, or 10? I couldn't figure out how to place it.--[[User:Wldkt1|Wldkt1]] 18:34, 25 February 2006 (EST) | I don't know what other people think, but now that four of the twelve Cylon model numbers are accounted for, can we put a note on Conoy saying something to the effect of, "Leoben Conoy is either Number 1, 2, 4, 7, 9, or 10? I couldn't figure out how to place it.--[[User:Wldkt1|Wldkt1]] 18:34, 25 February 2006 (EST) | ||
:There's no way to word it without that being clumsy. We shouldn't make a note of it until we know for certain. --[[User: | :There's no way to word it without that being clumsy. We shouldn't make a note of it until we know for certain. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:40, 25 February 2006 (EST) | ||
:Don't bother doing anything saying "well, it's one of these 8 numbers" is just too complicated.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:11, 25 February 2006 (EST) | :Don't bother doing anything saying "well, it's one of these 8 numbers" is just too complicated.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:11, 25 February 2006 (EST) | ||
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:My bets are on Leoben 7, Simon 4, Cavil 2. Lower numbers seem more administrative in bearing, more practical than intuitive, and their simulation of humanity more based on cynical experience than gut (not to mention the actors are older - sorry Lucy). Leoben seems more of an intuitive, younger (for a male cylon), rogue individual. More like Sharon 8 than Doral 5, Cavil or D'Anna 3.--[[User:Viperetto13|Viperetto13]] 22:24, 27 December 2006 (CST) | :My bets are on Leoben 7, Simon 4, Cavil 2. Lower numbers seem more administrative in bearing, more practical than intuitive, and their simulation of humanity more based on cynical experience than gut (not to mention the actors are older - sorry Lucy). Leoben seems more of an intuitive, younger (for a male cylon), rogue individual. More like Sharon 8 than Doral 5, Cavil or D'Anna 3.--[[User:Viperetto13|Viperetto13]] 22:24, 27 December 2006 (CST) | ||
Hi. I feel I should point out that both the DVD cover and an entry in RDM's Blog at Scifi.com refer to this Cylon as 'Leobon', not 'Leoben'.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:39, 4 March (EST) | Hi. I feel I should point out that both the DVD cover and an entry in RDM's Blog at Scifi.com refer to this Cylon as 'Leobon', not 'Leoben'.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:39, 4 March (EST) | ||
:The official site is notriously bad on exact spelling; IMDB lists it with an e.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:41, 4 March 2006 (CST) | :The official site is notriously bad on exact spelling; IMDB lists it with an e.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:41, 4 March 2006 (CST) | ||
== Spelling? == | == Spelling? == | ||
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::Well, we always new it as Conoy for over a year after the mini (somehow) before Roslin open the controversy by saying "Conroy", but keep in mind she isn't exactly reliable since it was the first time she'd heard the name, at least in a long time. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18 April 2006 | ::Well, we always new it as Conoy for over a year after the mini (somehow) before Roslin open the controversy by saying "Conroy", but keep in mind she isn't exactly reliable since it was the first time she'd heard the name, at least in a long time. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18 April 2006 | ||
:I'll work on some spectrograms ASAP. --[[User: | :I'll work on some spectrograms ASAP. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:18, 18 April 2006 (CDT) | ||
::If you go to the skiffy discussion of it, someone found the proof we had back when the mini aired, the credits: | ::If you go to the skiffy discussion of it, someone found the proof we had back when the mini aired, the credits: | ||
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Should we mention that all humanoid Cylons are technically siblings, as has been mentioned on screen is thus canon?--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:59, 17 March 2006 (EST) | Should we mention that all humanoid Cylons are technically siblings, as has been mentioned on screen is thus canon?--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:59, 17 March 2006 (EST) | ||
:It would be nice I think. After all, the Cavil's referred to each other as "Brother", and not because of G-Cavil's role as a priest. Six also called Sharon "little sister". This in itself supports not only what they call one another but also possibly supporting the age theory. I just agree that it would be good to add. --[[ | :It would be nice I think. After all, the Cavil's referred to each other as "Brother", and not because of G-Cavil's role as a priest. Six also called Sharon "little sister". This in itself supports not only what they call one another but also possibly supporting the age theory. I just agree that it would be good to add. --[[Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17 March 2006 | ||
::It's an "attitude" but not really true; no it should not be included. I mean, Sharon actually said she "thought of" ''Starbuck'' as her "big sister". It should not be put into a character template like that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:47, 19 March 2006 (CST) | ::It's an "attitude" but not really true; no it should not be included. I mean, Sharon actually said she "thought of" ''Starbuck'' as her "big sister". It should not be put into a character template like that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:47, 19 March 2006 (CST) | ||
:Absolutely not. --[[User: | :Absolutely not. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:48, 19 March 2006 (CST) | ||
::Don't they say "We are gods childeren." at one point? I have to go back to find the excat wording and when it's said, but I am pretty sure Six (In Guais's Head) says something like this at one point when Eight and the good doctor are together. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:14, 19 March 2006 (CST) | ::Don't they say "We are gods childeren." at one point? I have to go back to find the excat wording and when it's said, but I am pretty sure Six (In Guais's Head) says something like this at one point when Eight and the good doctor are together. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:14, 19 March 2006 (CST) | ||
:::Shane, it doesn't matter. The term "siblings" does not apply to Cylons in the conventionally understood sense. --[[User: | :::Shane, it doesn't matter. The term "siblings" does not apply to Cylons in the conventionally understood sense. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:18, 19 March 2006 (CST) | ||
:::: Mine was just a comment.. Just a comment. But if you want my option.. [[Wikipedia:Sibbling]] defines it as<br/> | :::: Mine was just a comment.. Just a comment. But if you want my option.. [[Wikipedia:Sibbling]] defines it as<br/> | ||
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::::::::: My count from this is... --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:40, 20 March 2006 (CST) | ::::::::: My count from this is... --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:40, 20 March 2006 (CST) | ||
:::::::::::It's really not that important.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:48, 20 March 2006 (EST) | :::::::::::It's really not that important.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:48, 20 March 2006 (EST) | ||
:::::::::::Although it can provide a useful guideline, this wiki is not run on a majority rules basis. --[[User: | :::::::::::Although it can provide a useful guideline, this wiki is not run on a majority rules basis. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:19, 28 March 2006 (CST) | ||
To chime in... I believe the whole "brother" or "sister" thing is analogous with groups of friends calling each other "brother" or "sister". They're not related by bloodlines, but rather by friendship. Also, the whole "brother" and "sister" terminology has more religious over tones, given the Cylon's creation of a monotheistic religion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:03, 28 March 2006 (CST) | To chime in... I believe the whole "brother" or "sister" thing is analogous with groups of friends calling each other "brother" or "sister". They're not related by bloodlines, but rather by friendship. Also, the whole "brother" and "sister" terminology has more religious over tones, given the Cylon's creation of a monotheistic religion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:03, 28 March 2006 (CST) | ||
== Straw Vote == | == Straw Vote == | ||
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'''Not Support''' | '''Not Support''' | ||
# [[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] | # [[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] | ||
# [[User: | # [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] | ||
# [[User:Mrxerox|Mrxerox]] | # [[User:Mrxerox|Mrxerox]] | ||
# [[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|talk]])</sup> (This is kind of silly, no?) | # [[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|talk]])</sup> (This is kind of silly, no?) | ||
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:Later: | :Later: | ||
::Conoy: The warhead doesn't exist. I made it up. The lieutenant was right; I was too far out. I didn't wanna die, so when I got caught I made up a story to buy some time. | ::Conoy: The warhead doesn't exist. I made it up. The lieutenant was right; I was too far out. I didn't wanna die, so when I got caught I made up a story to buy some time. | ||
:Of course, and I must resist the urge to slip into outright fanwankery, it's possible that this Leoben simply ''didn't know'' that a Resurrection Ship had been dispatched the follow the fleet. --[[User: | :Of course, and I must resist the urge to slip into outright fanwankery, it's possible that this Leoben simply ''didn't know'' that a Resurrection Ship had been dispatched the follow the fleet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:19, 25 October 2006 (CDT) | ||
::My favorite theory is that, like he usually is, he is just BSing them. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 23:26, 25 October 2006 (CDT) | ::My favorite theory is that, like he usually is, he is just BSing them. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 23:26, 25 October 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::Yeah, I mean, he did also say Adama was a Cylon....The fact that NC Leoben says "To know the face of God is to know madness" in a way that seemed to point him out as the GT copy. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:29, 25 October 2006 (CDT) | :::Yeah, I mean, he did also say Adama was a Cylon....The fact that NC Leoben says "To know the face of God is to know madness" in a way that seemed to point him out as the GT copy. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:29, 25 October 2006 (CDT) | ||
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:::::Apparently, they ''all'' have it out for Starbuck, as we learned in "The Farm": | :::::Apparently, they ''all'' have it out for Starbuck, as we learned in "The Farm": | ||
::::::Caprica-Valerii: They know who you are, Kara. You're special. Leoben told you that. You have a destiny. | ::::::Caprica-Valerii: They know who you are, Kara. You're special. Leoben told you that. You have a destiny. | ||
:::::In the end, even though we might suspect it, I don't think we can safely assume that New Caprica-Conoy and Gemenon Traveller-Conoy are the same person. He never explicitly mentioned having memories of their previous encounter, and the Cylons appear to be fascinated with Kara for reasons entirely apart from Conoy, who didn't even appear in "The Farm". --[[User: | :::::In the end, even though we might suspect it, I don't think we can safely assume that New Caprica-Conoy and Gemenon Traveller-Conoy are the same person. He never explicitly mentioned having memories of their previous encounter, and the Cylons appear to be fascinated with Kara for reasons entirely apart from Conoy, who didn't even appear in "The Farm". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:10, 26 October 2006 (CDT) | ||
:There will never be much certainty, since this grey area leads to better plotlines. In my opinion it is clear that they are the same. Which leads me to believe that there has been interrmittent communication with the Cylon fleet: Cylon Consciousness Communications Protocol (Connection oriented or connectionless??). Anyways the new Cylon fleet was recently shown to have another resurrection ship. [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 16:14, 28 October 2006 (CDT) | :There will never be much certainty, since this grey area leads to better plotlines. In my opinion it is clear that they are the same. Which leads me to believe that there has been interrmittent communication with the Cylon fleet: Cylon Consciousness Communications Protocol (Connection oriented or connectionless??). Anyways the new Cylon fleet was recently shown to have another resurrection ship. [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 16:14, 28 October 2006 (CDT) | ||
::Hehe, I'd wonder what might happen if Leoben accidentally leaves hi "love memories" of Kara in the general database for all Leobens to download and then all of them have a thing for Kara. It would be....creepy, yet interesting. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:37, 28 October 2006 (CDT) | ::Hehe, I'd wonder what might happen if Leoben accidentally leaves hi "love memories" of Kara in the general database for all Leobens to download and then all of them have a thing for Kara. It would be....creepy, yet interesting. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:37, 28 October 2006 (CDT) | ||
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:::I dunno, I too was leaning towards #2...--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:47, 24 December 2006 (CST) | :::I dunno, I too was leaning towards #2...--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:47, 24 December 2006 (CST) | ||
::::I prefer #1, for the reasons Talos gave. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:58, 27 December 2006 (CST) | ::::I prefer #1, for the reasons Talos gave. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:58, 27 December 2006 (CST) | ||