Editing Talk:Kobol/Archive 1

Could the name Kobol possibly come from the archaic programming language Cobol?--[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 14:59, 19 January 2006 (EST)

: I don't think so... The original series used it and I thought it was supposed to be an anagram for some idea or theme that plays a large part in Mormonism. I don't remember where I read that, though. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:19, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::c.f. [[Wikipedia:Kolob]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:58, 19 January 2006 (EST)

"Kobol" is also the Persian word for "Heaven"...though of course, I think that's another case of Jospeh Smith "borrowing" something from another religion for Mormonism...but who am I to deride a major religion...--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:55, 19 January 2006 (EST)

== Reorganization ==

In keeping with our goal not to give preferential treatment to Re-imagined Series content over Original Series content, I've reorganized this article to their chronological debuts, Original Series first, cleaning it up a bit as I went. It should make for a better article for a central locale in both sagas. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:20, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

: Oh Lords. Actually, this needs to be split into Kobol (RDM) and Kobol (TOS) with this page as the disambig. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 15:09, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

::You think so? There's far too little data for a TOS article, and the comparisons work well towards the end. Neither series is likely to review Kobol to add more data to the article. I recommend keeping it together. To help, I removed a bunch of episodic stuff that was really unnecessary to help shorten the RDM content. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:28, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

Since no further thoughts on splitting this have been made, I'm removing the split tag for now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:30, 19 October 2006 (CDT)


==Earth and the Cylon God?==

Ok this thought sort of occured to me. Could the cylons and the earthlings be worshipping the same God? The 13th tribe left Kobol for the algae planet and eventually earth about 2000 years before the other tribes left to found the 12 colonies. Baltar's Six said cannibalism was practiced there and that whatever happens on Kobol is out of God's hands.

Ok so here's where I'm going with this. The 13th tribe left Kobol much like puritan pilgrims left England for what would be America or how the jews left to go to Canaan . The 13th tribe believed in the one God. The other 12 tribes were polytheistic and at that time may (or may not) have indulged in cannibalism and other pagan type rituals. Kobol was corrupt, the majority of the people worshipped false idols, sank into murderous depravity and so the 13th left for their own promised land. 

The final five are seen in the same opera house that Six showed Baltar the first of the new generation (Hera). That opera house was on Kobol. The Temple of Five is somehow connected to the 5 priests (presumably) of the 13th tribe who worshipped the one whose name cannot be spoken. Elosha said in that deleted scene that the war on Kobol was a result of one Lord of Kobol wishing to be elevated above the others. Baltar's Six responds by saying that this is all lies and that there is only the one true god. If the deleted scene is canon (which I surmise it now is due to Roslin's remarks about the one whose name cannot be mentioned) then that tells me that the five priests worshipped a rogue lord of kobol (or maybe the other lords were the actual rogues). If five priests of the 13th tribe worship this lord of kobol and built a temple on the algae planet before finding earth then odds are the rest of the 13th tribe also worshipped this same lord.

There seem to be several hints at a connection between the final 5 cylons and the 13th tribe despite the fact that being two different species and nearly 4000 years and several light years distance seperates them. 

We know both the 7 known cylons and the colonials have been searching for earth for different reasons. Well I think the final five beat them to it and found earth first. There may be a few individual members of some of the final five models in the fleet but the majority (ie the armies of humanoid cylons) of the final five are at earth. The 7 known models probably want to get to earth because they have come to the conclusion that the earthlings also believe in the one god. Athena said on Kobol that the cylons know more about the colonial's religion than the colonials do (but clearly they don't know everything about their religion as evidenced by D'Anna and Baltar's conversations with the Hybrid). 

The whole circle of time theme still applies but the shoe is on the other foot. The 12 tribes descended into barbarism and depravity so the 13th tribe had to flee to earth. The cylons descend into barbarism and depravity and thus the remaining humans are fleeing to earth. Originally it was the polytheistic kobolians who oppressed the monotheistic kobolians. Now it's the monotheistic cylons who oppress the polytheistic colonials. 

--[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 2:21 30 January 2007.
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 : I don't think so... The original series used it and I thought it was supposed to be an anagram for some idea or theme that plays a large part in Mormonism. I don't remember where I read that, though. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:19, 19 January 2006 (EST)
-::c.f. [[Wikipedia:Kolob]]. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:58, 19 January 2006 (EST)
+::c.f. [[Wikipedia:Kolob]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:58, 19 January 2006 (EST)
 "Kobol" is also the Persian word for "Heaven"...though of course, I think that's another case of Jospeh Smith "borrowing" something from another religion for Mormonism...but who am I to deride a major religion...--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:55, 19 January 2006 (EST)
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 We know both the 7 known cylons and the colonials have been searching for earth for different reasons. Well I think the final five beat them to it and found earth first. There may be a few individual members of some of the final five models in the fleet but the majority (ie the armies of humanoid cylons) of the final five are at earth. The 7 known models probably want to get to earth because they have come to the conclusion that the earthlings also believe in the one god. Athena said on Kobol that the cylons know more about the colonial's religion than the colonials do (but clearly they don't know everything about their religion as evidenced by D'Anna and Baltar's conversations with the Hybrid).
-The whole circle of time theme still applies but the shoe is on the other foot. The 12 tribes descended into barbarism and depravity so the 13th tribe had to flee to earth. The cylons descend into barbarism and depravity and thus the remaining humans are fleeing to earth. Originally it was the polytheistic kobolians who oppressed the monotheistic kobolians. Now it's the monotheistic cylons who oppress the polytheistic colonials. --[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 2:21 30 January 2007.
+The whole circle of time theme still applies but the shoe is on the other foot. The 12 tribes descended into barbarism and depravity so the 13th tribe had to flee to earth. The cylons descend into barbarism and depravity and thus the remaining humans are fleeing to earth. Originally it was the polytheistic kobolians who oppressed the monotheistic kobolians. Now it's the monotheistic cylons who oppress the polytheistic colonials.
-==Split==
+--[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 2:21 30 January 2007.
-As [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] has noted [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/TOS Article Pips|elsewhere]], it's probably high time to split this (and other combined RDM / TOS article that warrant it) into separate articles, a la [[Kobol (TOS)]] and [[Kobol (RDM)]]. I'll try to get at this this weekend. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 13:31, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
-: Split is complete, but it's a huge list of "what links here" that needs to be cleaned up. I've begun, any help is appreciated. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:06, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
-== Merge idea ==
-Right now this page looks like it's somewhere between an article and a disambiguation page. I think the Etymology and Similarities sections should be moved somewhere else, probably duplicated in both [[Kobol (RDM)]] and [[Kobol (TOS)]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:15, 5 January 2008 (CST)