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| ::: I agree on all counts. The thing is that we know she's understood to be in charge whenever Apollo is indisposed, but CAG Second in Command just doesn't sound quite right. I just don't know what would sound better [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 23:27, October 16, 2005 (EDT) | | ::: I agree on all counts. The thing is that we know she's understood to be in charge whenever Apollo is indisposed, but CAG Second in Command just doesn't sound quite right. I just don't know what would sound better [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 23:27, October 16, 2005 (EDT) |
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| ::::Senior pilot after Capt. Lee Adama? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 23:35, 16 October 2005 (EDT) | | ::::Senior pilot after Capt. Lee Adama? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:35, 16 October 2005 (EDT) |
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| It's partially visible on the dogtag she gave Anders in "Downloaded": ?? 462753 - the two question marks would be letters, and I think the second one is a T, but Lucy Lawless's hand is covering the first. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:30, 26 February 2006 (EST) | | It's partially visible on the dogtag she gave Anders in "Downloaded": ?? 462753 - the two question marks would be letters, and I think the second one is a T, but Lucy Lawless's hand is covering the first. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:30, 26 February 2006 (EST) |
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| I found that Galacticastation has a great screencape [http://www.galacticastation.com/Screencaps/S2/218/bscap414.htm here] of her ID tag. Can you guys tell what it is? It's not a T, it's....I can't tell if it says "ser" for "service number" (thus, not actually part of of the number), or "3er"...which seems odd as this is lowercase.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:03, 21 June 2006 (CDT) | | I found that Galacticastation has a great screencape [http://www.galacticastation.com/Screencaps/S2/218/bscap414.htm here] of her ID tag. Can you guys tell what it is? It's not a T, it's....I can't tell if it says "ser" for "service number" (thus, not actually part of of the number), or "3er"...which seems odd as this is lowercase.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:03, 21 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| ::::::::Interesting idea... how do you think they'd implement it? (If it were to happen, that is.) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:25, 8 March 2007 (CST) | | ::::::::Interesting idea... how do you think they'd implement it? (If it were to happen, that is.) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:25, 8 March 2007 (CST) |
| :::::::::I think the two most likely possibilities are that Lee or Anders finds a note or letter among Kara's belongings, or that Kara is revealed to be a Cylon. I don't think they'll recast her because it's a tacky and overused soap opera and pulp sci-fi cliche. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:00, 13 March 2007 (CDT) | | :::::::::I think the two most likely possibilities are that Lee or Anders finds a note or letter among Kara's belongings, or that Kara is revealed to be a Cylon. I don't think they'll recast her because it's a tacky and overused soap opera and pulp sci-fi cliche. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:00, 13 March 2007 (CDT) |
| ::::::::::Kara cant be a cylon because she was a child and Cylons do not make copies of already or once living people. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 06:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::Kara remembers being a child. Baltar remembers being a child too, that doesn't disqualify him, and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] also probably has false childhood memories. And Socrata could be another Cylon, or a hallucination, there's no proof that anyone other than Kara saw her. I'm not saying she's a Cylon, I'm just saying that the possibility hasn't been eliminated. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::::AFAIK, Socrata served in the 1st war. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:52, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::::::::::::::Yes, Socrata served in the first war. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:22, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::::::According to Kara's own memories her mother was a veteran of the first war, I'm not aware of any third-party corroboration, and it's an established fact that Cylon sleeper agents have false memories. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:38, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::Socrata received some kind of medal for service in the war. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 05:59, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::And Boomer received elephant sculptures from her parents when she went to Fleet Academy. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 06:50, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::There's a difference. There must be records in military archives of Socrata's medal (If any archives still exist, that is). Records that date back to the first war. The Cylons weren't infiltrating then. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:51, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::Who saw or heard of Socrata and had both the motivation and the opportunity to check the military records? We know that Boomer managed to get past any background checks and identity verification the colonial military may have used. We also know that colonial computer security was extremely lax during the fall of the twelve colonies. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 19:06, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| One possibility is that Thrace (in a past life as the Lord of Kobol, Aurora) helped ''build'' the Temple of Five, knew what the Earth hologram was in "Home, Part II" because she experienced it before, and that, while we may not see her again, bodily, Thrace will be the guiding force (through artifacts and other finds) that will be reflected in not-too-subtle messages on the path, leaving clues as to the clue's author (Thrace). Perhaps Kara Thrace, not Laura Roslin, is the "dying leader" in the Pythian Prophecy. Just a wild speculation, but it fits with some clues, particularly the Eye. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:40, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :I still think Starbuck is the first of the RDM [[Beings of Light]]. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 06:01, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ---Bruzer you know part of my theory but for everyone here I'll post it as well. I personaly belive it will come down to Starbuck being a "Jesus" figure from a Lord of Kobol I'm not 100% sure how the writers will make this happen but I think what we saw in that ep was her basically going to meet "daddy". The speculation about her being one of the final 5 isn't true, she is meant for much more then that. I also think in addition to the final 5 we will see the Lords of Kobol on Sunday, this will be the biggest shock of the year as well. You know how the writers like to take us, make us expect to be surprised one way but shock us with something new in the finales. We may even see Baltar be found not guilty, on a side note I think he's the same as Starbuck here but his "daddy" is who I will call Hades, the Fallen Lord who became the Cylon god. --[[User:Hentai Jeff|Hentai Jeff]] 05:49, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ==='''Kara Thrace is back!!'''===
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| I wondered how they were going to play out Kara's "Death" and I'm satisfied if not even more intrigued by the out come. Glad she is back.--[[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 22:39, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
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| == The Destiny ==
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| Not wanting to separate this into its own article, and knowing that this article may not grow for a while (if ever), I added some [[BW:CJ#Derived Content|sourced speculation]] on Thrace's destiny based on series information in an attempt to tie it together. Hopefully it may enlighten some readers as to the sum data on what is known and lead some insight for the character's actions in the future (if any). Ron Moore does [[Podcast:Maelstrom|note]] that the character's "destiny" was not merely to die in a Viper, so this likelihood of something about the character being revealed in season 4 is a probability. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:37, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :As I have said. '''[[Beings of Light|BEING. OF. FRAKKING. LIGHT.]]''' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:57, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
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| == Death Confirmed? ==
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| In the podcast for Crossroads, Part II:
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| "Did her death have any meaning? Her death didn't have meaning, but the resurrection of Kara does."
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| Looks like she really bought it. How the resurrection was facilitated is the big question... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:38, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
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| :It could also refer to a symbolic death and resurrection. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 19:24, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
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| == Kinda funny ==
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| Some of you might find [http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/061226.html this "Sheldon" comic] amusing. I did. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 20:20, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
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| :Perfect. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:45, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
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| == Young Kara photo ==
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| We should probably add a screenshot of Kara when she was younger somewhere here. It should be available from "[[Maelstrom]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 18:38, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
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| :Done --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:15, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
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| == By Your Command ==
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| While visiting [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maelstrom_%28Battlestar_Galactica%29 Wikipedia's article about Maelstrom], I noticed a neat trivia piece that I have confirmed independently. Right before Kara's Viper explodes at the climax of "[[Maelstrom]]", if one listens closely (on a DD 5.1 system or with headphones, if one has the iTunes download), one can hear the distinctive voice of an original series (or Guardian, as per the events of "[[Razor]]") Cylon Centurion say "By your command" (the word "command" is muffled by the explosion). At first I thought it was some sound effect used to illustrate the stress of the gas giant's atmosphere on Kara's Viper, but the words "By your" are clearly discernable. I'm not sure if this is something for placement in either the Maelstrom or Kara Thrace articles, so I will leave this up to y'all's better judgment. Thank you. {{unsigned|Jonfucius}}
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| : I've seen this discussion on the Skiffy boards after the episode aired... Frankly, I never heard it myself, even when this discussion first started way back when... It would be nice if we had a soundbyte to test, because I'm sure [[User:April Arcus|Peter]] can take a crack at it and give us something definitive one way or another. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 22:35, 3 December 2007 (CST)
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| ::I have a casual (at best) sound setup and my VCR seems so to be setting foot with its last legs and threading a warbling in the audio, but I played this and I can ceratinly hear an old school Cylon metallic noise as the Viper explodes, so I'm willing to believe this, but I'd prefer to hear a sample with a better audible pitch. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 16:26, 5 December 2007 (CST)
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| ==Season 3 - last episode==
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| Regarding the last part of the article there is a point that says that when Kara re-appears near Lee's viper she's riding a brand new Viper Mark II. Cause i read the wiki just after i saw the episode i think this is totally wrong imho. I have saved a screenshot , just at the moment camera seems to go away from both ships http://picasaweb.google.com/billbrando and you can clearly see the differences at the engine part and at the wings structure. If Lee is indeed flying a Viper Mark II what is Kara riding? {{unsigned|Bbm4n}}
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| :The point is that the Viper has a pristine paintjob and isn't scratched up like all the others (though that's only said in [[The Destiny]] and [[Ionian Nebula]] I think). Of course Lee is in a Mark VII. The article doesn't say anything else. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:36, 28 January 2008 (CST)
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| :See also [[Viper Mark II]] and [[Viper Mark VII]] for pictures of both Viper models. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:40, 28 January 2008 (CST)
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| so if i get it right from the images, the red lined Viper (Mark II) is the one that is piloted by Kara and the unpainted one is a Viper Mark VII piloted by Apollo. I thought he was piloting a Mark II but you're right that must be one from Pegasus.[[User:Bbm4n|Bbm4n]] 12:25, 28 January 2008 (CST)
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| ::Not necessarily from ''Pegasus''; ''Galactica'' did retain a few Mark VIIs after the Cylon attack, although they had to be downgraded to avoid the [[CNP]] backdoor. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:50, 28 January 2008 (CST)
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| ==License Plate on Kara's Hummvee==
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| Looking through some BSG-pages I recognised that seemingly noone has an explanation. Maybe it's a symbol for Kara's suppressed femininity: The Code on the Car "FB 42 E3" read as a HTML hexadecimal representation of color can be interpreted as "frakking PINK". --[[User:Anakin|Anakin]] 00:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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| : Interesting. Does anyone know of a site that can interpret HTML hex code so this can be independently confirmed? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Just frakking google it! :) http://www.kenjikojima.com/java/RGBHexConverter2.html -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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| :: Consequently, I found [http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?showtopic=46 this]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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| ==Starbuck-A==
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| Just want to throw this out for discussion. Should the current Starbuck be treated like a separate entity now (maybe not a separate article, but like different version of a Cylon model)? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :I think we should wait until after Daybreak clears things up. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
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| == Thrace is a part of Greece ==
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| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Thrace Someone could. include it as a potential reference. --[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 23:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
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| == Split ==
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| Maybe this should be split into Kara Thrace and Virtual Kara Thrace, given what Daybreak implied about her? --[[User:Space Lizard|Space Lizard]] 16:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
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| :If everyone was able to see her, how "virtual" can she be, compared to the virtual Six and Baltar? And she was able to do concrete things, such as fly aircraft and shoot down enemy Raiders.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 00:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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| == Thrace is ''Galactica'''s final CAG? ==
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| Wasn't it Helo? During the mutiny, one of the "Sunshine Boys" mentions that he was made CAG, and he gives the final pilot briefing before the Battle of the Colony. Was Thrace's return to the position of CAG ever mentioned in dialogue since "The Oath"?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 00:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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| == Origin of the name 'Kara Thrace' ==
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| Kara is also the name of the first female F-14 pilot Kara Spears Hultgreen who died in an accident while trying to land on board an aircraft carrier.
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| Thrace, besides being a geographic region of Greece, is also the origin of the famous statue the Winged Victory of Samothrace. A statue of the ancient Greek goddess of Victory "Nike".
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| Unless there is evidence to the contrary this seems like a possible origin of the name of one of the most memorable and powerful female characters in a television series.
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| == Who, and what, Starbuck actually is ==
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| Starbuck is/was Aurora, the goddess of the dawn; more modern, a manifestation of Shiva in Hinduism. Now before you go thinking that an Avatar is some character in the movie Avatar, let me use the Hindu definition of an Avatar as being the descent of a deity to the earth in an incarnate form or some manifest shape; the incarnation of a god. What’s a Shiva? Shiva is the Hindu goddess that is known as the ''Harbinger of Death'' and the ''Restorer of Worlds''. Likewise, Aurora is considered as the ''goddess of the dawn''.
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| Now, with these definitions acting as the method of analysis for Starbuck’s being, let’s look at the justification. In the movie Razor the first Cylon hybrid refers to Kara Thrace as the ''Harbinger of Death''. This definition of Kara was also used by varying Hybrids throughout the rest of the series. How was she the Harbinger of Death? When Starbuck was resurrected it was her task to restore mankind by acting as a guide to Earth. However, when she led the human caravan to Earth they found a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Human hope vanished the way life did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Varying crew members committed suicide, sewed mutiny within the fleet, and created mass depression among all mankind- literally being the Harbinger of Death, to hope.
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| Needless to say, this Avatar of Shiva/Aurora had to also be the restorer of worlds, and Starbuck did this in spades! In the finale of BSG Starbuck was able to use the mathematical elements of the music her father played to plot the course to a life-filled planet. This planet acted as the incubator of all life as we know it. The humans, and Cylon-human hybrids, were able to successfully mate amongst themselves, and the planet’s indigenous life what seemed like Neanderthal man. Thus, restoring life to lifelessness.
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| Towards the latter half of season 3 Starbuck went through immense suffering (suffering being the central tenet in Hinduism). We saw what she went through with her mother (her mother stating that she had to put young Kara through hell because of her higher purpose); furthermore, the self-hatred Starbuck had for herself during her love triangle with Lee and Sam almost ripped apart her psyche. Additionally, constant drunkenness, random sex, and her suicide are all indicators of her suffering. Only after Starbuck was able to let go and detach herself from her material desires and accept the way of the universe, and succumb to her death in the maelstrom, was she able to be resurrected as the Avatar Shiva.
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| Finally, let’s remember the flashbacks seen in the show’s finale. The only thing Starbuck was afraid of was “not being remembered. I don’t want to be forgotten.” This aspiration was no mere statement of vanity; rather, if you look throughout the course of human history you will always find a god, goddess, social movement leader, etc who can be considered as a virus to the current system while at the same time being an agent of new beginnings. And in that vein, Starbuck was never forgotten. First it was Aurora, then Athena, then Starbuck, presently Shiva, more modernly Martin Luther King, the list goes on. It was Starbuck’s ROLE that enabled her to never worry about her highest fear: that the agent of a new dawn will continually exist in human society. The only reason she gets the status of an Avatar, though, is because she is somehow connected to another being that hates to be called “God.”
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| --[[User:Themario|Themario]] 15:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
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