Editing Talk:Jack Fisk/Archive 1

Is Fisk a Commander now, or still only a Colonel? He IS commanding a Battlestar, now. The article lists him as a Commander, but refers to him as a Colonel. He seems to be listed as a Commander in most places, so I am going to change it. If someone has evidence to the contrary, they should change it back. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 16:43, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:No, do not do that.  We don't know if he's been promoted.  And we'll find out soon enough anyway, so don't bother. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:50, 20 January 2006 (EST)
::Established in the episode Black Market, Fisk is at the rank of Commander, they referred to him as "Commander Fisk" during the meeting with the President and Admiral Adama.  --[[User:themoonrulez|themoonrulez]] 20:55, 30 January 2006 (EST)
:::Actually I already did in his info box after the episode aired, I just thought someone else might rewrite the article itself.  --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 23:12, 30 January 2006 (EST)

I know I'm really going nuts in using spoilers and spoiltext tags, but I'd rather do this than hear more whining on how someone's day was officially ruined because they couldn't realize that they can't plod through BSG Wiki with inpunity, spoiler-free. ''They have been warned.'' :) I'm becoming more aware when the spoiltext tag is more appropriate and adjusting accordingly. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:01, 21 September 2005 (EDT)

:Preach it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:25, 21 September 2005 (EDT)


It's possible that Fisk was the Landing Signal Officer of the Pegasus prior to the XO's murder.  He could have been in the same position as Captain Kelly before Adama got shot by Boomer.  Just a thought.  Ltcrashdown  December 23, 2005

:Possibly, but we don't really know at all. I mean, Galactica is functioning at half crew capacity.  Thus it only has one Commander, one Colonel, NO Majors, and a few Captains.  Perhaps a FULLY crewed (at the time of the attack) Battlestar like Pegasus would have ''several'' Majors on board?  Or maybe even more than one Colonel?  (seeing as it was the flagship of an Admiral, it may have had more officers for that reason, as well.  Anyway, I'm not quite sure on that and I hope the upcoming stuff gives a little more backround.  Consequently, you have made a running start here at BSGwiki LTcrashdown, kudos; I did not notice that Kelly's first name is Aaron, etc; good catch (you know how scifi keeps scrunching the credits down ''really small''? Makes it hard to read stuff, etc. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:40, 24 December 2005 (EST)

::Well I like to watch the DVDs with subtitles on as well as looking over the closing credit co-stars.  You can learn a lot about characters in an episode that way.  Thanks for the kind words. Ltcrashdown  December 24, 2005

:I agree with RIcimer's assessment. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:23, 24 December 2005 (EST)

::I also agree.  No reason to believe there weren't plenty of high-ranking officers on an Admiral-commanded Battlestar.  I figured that I'd just mention Fisk's possible LSO history.  It was just a theory.  Ltcrashdown December 24, 2005


== Fisk's Serial Number ==
Since Fisk's serial number we see on the recon photos does not conform to established serial number style, is it possible what we see on that photo is NOT his serial number and the abbriviation SER stands for something else. I think it's speculative (albeit educated speculation) that SER stands for serial number. After all, the accepted abbriviation for serial number here on Earth is SN. I think it should be removed form his bio until we have other evidence (which we probably won't get since Fisk is dead). I was going to edit it, but it's been so long since this page was edited, I thought I'd get feedback first.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 23:11, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
: Looking at the photo, it is possible that "SER" stands for "Series", as in "series of photos". I noted that there isn't a colon after every heading on that sheet; both "Ser" and "Request" don't have them. That leads more credence to it being a separate header, rather than an addition to the "Authorization" header. [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s serial number is six digits, numeric. Same for [[Kara Thrace]]. [[Helo]]'s has a two digit alpha component - but with a six digit number after it. [[Viper 7242]]'s serial: 7242NC. The [[Viper 220]] notes the six-digit nature of the majority of known serial numbers. My research seems to support the removal. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 23:45, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
::Does anyone else have any other screencaps of the Res Ship recon photos? Maybe there's more to it. Or maybe this is a question for Bradley Thompson. Thoughts?--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 10:28, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I don't believe so, but if I recall correctly, there are other instances of recon photos that have been seen in the show. (I'm thinking somewhere in season 3, as a matter of fact.) Perhaps a look at those could prove or disprove the serial number. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 12:24, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
::::In which Season 3 episode does recon photography appear? I can't think of any episode off the top of my head. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:31, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::As I said, I'm not entirely sure. I'll have to dig through what I have. Again, I'm speaking recon material in general, nothing relating to the resurrection ship. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::I can't recall anything off the top of my head either in Season 3. But there is the Kobol photography in "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I" and in "Home, Part II" (or is it I?) some further Kobol pics when Adama plans the rescue op. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:50, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::I just looked in the media repository for something from Pegasus, season 3 or KLG (both eps.) and Home (both eps.) and could not find. If I get the chance tonight, I'll re-watch the extended version of Pegasus and see what I can find that might help.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 13:23, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::::"Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I" and "Home, Part II" definitely show recon photography from Kobol. We might want to get a screencaps of those and add them to the [[Kobol (RDM)]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]] and [[Home, Part II]] articles, as well as check them for serial numbers. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:40, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::::Ok..I checked 'em all, no luck. The screencap we have of the recon pics from Pegasus shows as much as the episode does. The Home recon pics don't zoom out enough and th KLG recons don't have any writing, just black edges. So where do we go from here. Stick with it, delete it or ask BT?--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 23:01, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

== "Lieutenenant Colonel Jack Fisk" ==

Re: "LTC COL Jack Fisk" in Razor production notes ... I dunno, sounds like another case of writing/production discontinuity or disconnect, like the changing collar insignia of Anastasia Dualla. Raises interesting quandries, e.g. does this mean the ranks of colonel and lieutenant colonel share the same insignia a la junior lieutenant and ensign? Also, do production notes and materials that do not manifest visually or in dialogue in the screen or DVD versions become "canonical" unless otherwise followed up in later episodes?  Shades of the "are they or are they not railguns" argument ...  :) -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
:Would a workable solution be to change rank referenced in the article back to "colonel", but keep the "lieutenant colonel" as a footnote? -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, no. In military parlance, one does not refer to a Lt. Colonel as "Lt Colonel" no more than you would refer to someone as a "junior lieutenant", or a "specialist" as "specialist third class". Cain was a "Rear Admiral", yet she's simply called an "Admiral". Same with Boomer. She was a junior lieutenant, yet she was always referred to as "lieutenant". Also, there's no logical way Fisk would have been a full colonel as that would put him on the same ranking level as the XO. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
:::As for the rank pin issue... they don't have a specific pin for "Ensign", production uses the "Junior Lieutenant" versions for that. So, at least from my research, they used the same pins for Colonel to denote a Lt. Colonel, since they don't have a 'lt. colonel" pin. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

:Generally, I'd agree that this stuff shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously, but he does actually have different insignia. It's hard to make out details and I increased the brightness and contrast a bit, but it's clearly not a standard colonel pin: [[:image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|pic 1]], [[:image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|pic 2]]
:But Joe, you can easily have people of the same rank in a chain of command. For example on aircraft carriers, the CO, CAG, chief engineer, etc. may all be captains. In science fiction, such things are usually simplified though. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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 I know I'm really going nuts in using spoilers and spoiltext tags, but I'd rather do this than hear more whining on how someone's day was officially ruined because they couldn't realize that they can't plod through BSG Wiki with inpunity, spoiler-free. ''They have been warned.'' :) I'm becoming more aware when the spoiltext tag is more appropriate and adjusting accordingly. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:01, 21 September 2005 (EDT)
-:Preach it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:25, 21 September 2005 (EDT)
+:Preach it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:25, 21 September 2005 (EDT)
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 ::Well I like to watch the DVDs with subtitles on as well as looking over the closing credit co-stars.  You can learn a lot about characters in an episode that way.  Thanks for the kind words. Ltcrashdown  December 24, 2005
-:I agree with RIcimer's assessment. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:23, 24 December 2005 (EST)
+:I agree with RIcimer's assessment. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:23, 24 December 2005 (EST)
 ::I also agree.  No reason to believe there weren't plenty of high-ranking officers on an Admiral-commanded Battlestar.  I figured that I'd just mention Fisk's possible LSO history.  It was just a theory.  Ltcrashdown December 24, 2005
-:::Just been watching Razor again. Judging from what Fisk does on the bridge, I'd say that he's the Officer of the Deck, performing the same role as Gaeta. While we don't see him do anything, we do see Hoshi standing at the same station as he occupied later in the episode, and his job seems to be stating the bleeding obvious (ie. reading what is on the DRADIS screen), which is what Gaeta often does. Oh, and there was a Major on Galactica - Doc Cottle holds that rank, I believe. --[[User:Captain Untouchable|Captain Untouchable]] 01:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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 :Would a workable solution be to change rank referenced in the article back to "colonel", but keep the "lieutenant colonel" as a footnote? -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 ::Actually, no. In military parlance, one does not refer to a Lt. Colonel as "Lt Colonel" no more than you would refer to someone as a "junior lieutenant", or a "specialist" as "specialist third class". Cain was a "Rear Admiral", yet she's simply called an "Admiral". Same with Boomer. She was a junior lieutenant, yet she was always referred to as "lieutenant". Also, there's no logical way Fisk would have been a full colonel as that would put him on the same ranking level as the XO. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
-::Well, in the American military the ranks "lieutenant colonel" and "lieutenant j.g." (alternatively junior lieutenant in BSG) are abbreviated to just colonel and lieutenant ... in daily and informal conversation, when using the full rank title repeatedly becomes cumbersome. But full rank titles are indeed frequently used.  And you would never abbreviate lieutenant colonel as COL, always LTC or Lt. Col., but it is acceptable to use LT to refer to lieutenant j.g. or full lieutenant (and second and first lieutenants for the Army/Marine types).  How's that for consistency ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 15:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 :::As for the rank pin issue... they don't have a specific pin for "Ensign", production uses the "Junior Lieutenant" versions for that. So, at least from my research, they used the same pins for Colonel to denote a Lt. Colonel, since they don't have a 'lt. colonel" pin. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 :Generally, I'd agree that this stuff shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously, but he does actually have different insignia. It's hard to make out details and I increased the brightness and contrast a bit, but it's clearly not a standard colonel pin: [[:image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|pic 1]], [[:image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|pic 2]]
 :But Joe, you can easily have people of the same rank in a chain of command. For example on aircraft carriers, the CO, CAG, chief engineer, etc. may all be captains. In science fiction, such things are usually simplified though. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
-::That's true. I had forgotten about that. --[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
-:::Looks like they found a re-use for Dualla's mystery insignia.  Does that mean Dualla was a lieutenant colonel in the Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 1?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 15:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
-::::Have a pic of the "mystery insignia"? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
-:::::Screen capture found at http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/the-history-of-the-rank-insignia-chart-for-battlestar-galactica-2003.html -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 16:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
-::::::Yeah, seems they reused that, but it doesn't make any sense for her to be anything but a lieutenant as stated in dialog. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)