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| I know I'm really going nuts in using spoilers and spoiltext tags, but I'd rather do this than hear more whining on how someone's day was officially ruined because they couldn't realize that they can't plod through BSG Wiki with inpunity, spoiler-free. ''They have been warned.'' :) I'm becoming more aware when the spoiltext tag is more appropriate and adjusting accordingly. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:01, 21 September 2005 (EDT) | | I know I'm really going nuts in using spoilers and spoiltext tags, but I'd rather do this than hear more whining on how someone's day was officially ruined because they couldn't realize that they can't plod through BSG Wiki with inpunity, spoiler-free. ''They have been warned.'' :) I'm becoming more aware when the spoiltext tag is more appropriate and adjusting accordingly. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:01, 21 September 2005 (EDT) |
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| :Preach it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:25, 21 September 2005 (EDT) | | :Preach it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:25, 21 September 2005 (EDT) |
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| ::Well I like to watch the DVDs with subtitles on as well as looking over the closing credit co-stars. You can learn a lot about characters in an episode that way. Thanks for the kind words. Ltcrashdown December 24, 2005 | | ::Well I like to watch the DVDs with subtitles on as well as looking over the closing credit co-stars. You can learn a lot about characters in an episode that way. Thanks for the kind words. Ltcrashdown December 24, 2005 |
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| :I agree with RIcimer's assessment. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:23, 24 December 2005 (EST) | | :I agree with RIcimer's assessment. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:23, 24 December 2005 (EST) |
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| ::I also agree. No reason to believe there weren't plenty of high-ranking officers on an Admiral-commanded Battlestar. I figured that I'd just mention Fisk's possible LSO history. It was just a theory. Ltcrashdown December 24, 2005 | | ::I also agree. No reason to believe there weren't plenty of high-ranking officers on an Admiral-commanded Battlestar. I figured that I'd just mention Fisk's possible LSO history. It was just a theory. Ltcrashdown December 24, 2005 |
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| :::Just been watching Razor again. Judging from what Fisk does on the bridge, I'd say that he's the Officer of the Deck, performing the same role as Gaeta. While we don't see him do anything, we do see Hoshi standing at the same station as he occupied later in the episode, and his job seems to be stating the bleeding obvious (ie. reading what is on the DRADIS screen), which is what Gaeta often does. Oh, and there was a Major on Galactica - Doc Cottle holds that rank, I believe. --[[User:Captain Untouchable|Captain Untouchable]] 01:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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| == "Lieutenenant Colonel Jack Fisk" == | | == "Lieutenenant Colonel Jack Fisk" == |
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| Re: "LTC COL Jack Fisk" in Razor production notes ... I dunno, sounds like another case of writing/production discontinuity or disconnect, like the changing collar insignia of Anastasia Dualla. Raises interesting quandries, e.g. does this mean the ranks of colonel and lieutenant colonel share the same insignia a la junior lieutenant and ensign? Also, do production notes and materials that do not manifest visually or in dialogue in the screen or DVD versions become "canonical" unless otherwise followed up in later episodes? Shades of the "are they or are they not railguns" argument ... :) -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC) | | Re: "LTC COL Jack Fisk" in Razor production notes ... I dunno, sounds like another case of writing/production discontinuity or disconnect. Raises interesting quandries, e.g. does this mean the ranks of colonel and lieutenant colonel share the same insignia a la lieutenant and junior lieutenant? Also, do production notes and materials that do not manifest visually or in dialogue in the screen or DVD versions become "canonical" unless otherwise followed up in later episodes? Shades of the "are they or are they not railguns" argument ... :) -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC) |
| :Would a workable solution be to change rank referenced in the article back to "colonel", but keep the "lieutenant colonel" as a footnote? -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 06:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Actually, no. In military parlance, one does not refer to a Lt. Colonel as "Lt Colonel" no more than you would refer to someone as a "junior lieutenant", or a "specialist" as "specialist third class". Cain was a "Rear Admiral", yet she's simply called an "Admiral". Same with Boomer. She was a junior lieutenant, yet she was always referred to as "lieutenant". Also, there's no logical way Fisk would have been a full colonel as that would put him on the same ranking level as the XO. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| ::Well, in the American military the ranks "lieutenant colonel" and "lieutenant j.g." (alternatively junior lieutenant in BSG) are abbreviated to just colonel and lieutenant ... in daily and informal conversation, when using the full rank title repeatedly becomes cumbersome. But full rank titles are indeed frequently used. And you would never abbreviate lieutenant colonel as COL, always LTC or Lt. Col., but it is acceptable to use LT to refer to lieutenant j.g. or full lieutenant (and second and first lieutenants for the Army/Marine types). How's that for consistency ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 15:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| :::As for the rank pin issue... they don't have a specific pin for "Ensign", production uses the "Junior Lieutenant" versions for that. So, at least from my research, they used the same pins for Colonel to denote a Lt. Colonel, since they don't have a 'lt. colonel" pin. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| :Generally, I'd agree that this stuff shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously, but he does actually have different insignia. It's hard to make out details and I increased the brightness and contrast a bit, but it's clearly not a standard colonel pin: [[:image:Fisk LtCol insignia 1.jpg|pic 1]], [[:image:Fisk LtCol pin 2.jpg|pic 2]]
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| :But Joe, you can easily have people of the same rank in a chain of command. For example on aircraft carriers, the CO, CAG, chief engineer, etc. may all be captains. In science fiction, such things are usually simplified though. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| ::That's true. I had forgotten about that. --[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| :::Looks like they found a re-use for Dualla's mystery insignia. Does that mean Dualla was a lieutenant colonel in the Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 1?-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 15:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::Have a pic of the "mystery insignia"? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| :::::Screen capture found at http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---news/the-history-of-the-rank-insignia-chart-for-battlestar-galactica-2003.html -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 16:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| ::::::Yeah, seems they reused that, but it doesn't make any sense for her to be anything but a lieutenant as stated in dialog. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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